Mini 1769: Ice Cream Mafia - Game over!

[Ircher]

It'll get made if 1) Keysor flips town or 2) I am alive tomorrow. Not exactly freaking out about it.

You're pretty transparently going through the obvscum playbook (refusing to vote VT at deadline), trying to lynch mason, why me fry me flail, etc etc.

This case is poor

1. Why should I vote a VT?
2. I did not say I was tryong to lynch mason. I merely said I thought you were lying. Huge difference.
3. I refer you to Micro 590. Not alignment indicative.

[Ircher]

Actually, pls explain how NOT voting a town player at deadline is obvscum play?

[Ircher]

well, I'm not scum. You are. I am 100% positive I won't be getting lynched this game. I don't follow the site's norm, so...i'm not basing it off that. It's that you really don't do anything or even really defend yourself besides 'mm...i think you are scum!!!! oh, think again about me being not scum...' yeah....

That's just what you and your freaking tunnel vision.

If you really reconsidered what other people thought about me, you may look at this in a different light. But you and your god-awful tunnel vision doesn't let you see anything except scum in me.

If you have a perspective that is so biased, then you will only see biased results.

[Aquanim]

And his case against me?

- Considering that I wanted to know the answers to the questions you asked, I would not describe your reaction to those associative cases as "flailing".
- I think no-lynching is terribad d1 but I can believe you'd prefer it to lynching Keyser.
- I think the "why me" point is a serious stretch.

tl;dr: I'm not buying that, either.

[Titus]

It'll get made if 1) Keysor flips town or 2) I am alive tomorrow. Not exactly freaking out about it.

You're pretty transparently going through the obvscum playbook (refusing to vote VT at deadline), trying to lynch mason, why me fry me flail, etc etc.

This case is poor

1. Why should I vote a VT?
2. I did not say I was tryong to lynch mason. I merely said I thought you were lying. Huge difference.
3. I refer you to Micro 590. Not alignment indicative.

1. You should vote a VT claim because it's better than no lynching unless a) you're scum and know that Keysor is town or b) Keysor is your partner.
2. Bullshit. You were trying to lynch Guy and insinuated that I'd make up my feelings to do it.
3. Refer me to whatever you want. Why me? Fry me. Wins.
4. Unvote and revote on guy is pathetic.

[Titus]

Keysor's claim that he needed to read yet was caught up enough to see the mason claim is also :/

[Aquanim]

Looking at Guy's recent posts, I think that if he is a mason he had a plan to claim it before deadline if necessary.

[Boonskiies]

Alright, if KS & Thor believe in its validity, then I shall assume it is valid for now

UNVOTE: Guy
So, its basically no lynch or Keyser now? I want no lynch in that case

You 100% DO NOT no lynch. Lynching a VT that isn't confirmed and get INFORMATION!!!!! is 100% better than no lynching. No lynching helps nothing but scum. This is the scummiest thing you've said this game, holy crap. Lynching keyser will incriminate you and that is why you won't go there.

[Boonskiies]

I've lynched my biggest town read day1 to avoid no lynching Day 1. Guess what? Sometimes that person ended up being scum. (Looking at Thor).

[Ircher]

Alright, if KS & Thor believe in its validity, then I shall assume it is valid for now

UNVOTE: Guy
So, its basically no lynch or Keyser now? I want no lynch in that case

You 100% DO NOT no lynch. Lynching a VT that isn't confirmed and get INFORMATION!!!!! is 100% better than no lynching. No lynching helps nothing but scum. This is the scummiest thing you've said this game, holy crap. Lynching keyser will incriminate you and that is why you won't go there.

Exactly

Basically, I'm stuck regardless what I do.

If I vote Keyser, I get accused of backing away from my townread / trying to garner towncred
If I don't vote Keyser, then I get accused of distancing myself from the Keyser lynch.

I can't vote Guy, as the mason claim is a possibility

And there's no other wagon that is going to be big enough by deadline

So, for me, as town, the best action is to no lynch. For me, as scum, the best action is to either bus keyser if keyser is scum or to vote Keyser anyway.

Your eval of the situ holds no weight, as regardless of my action, someone (scum) is going to paint it as scummy, and I will get mislynched for it later down the road.

[Titus]

Ircher, the problem here is that you're more concerned with your perception than what is right for town.

You put a vote while saying it's for deadline purposes.

But you're concerned about how you're perceived more than the result.

[Ircher]

It'll get made if 1) Keysor flips town or 2) I am alive tomorrow. Not exactly freaking out about it.

You're pretty transparently going through the obvscum playbook (refusing to vote VT at deadline), trying to lynch mason, why me fry me flail, etc etc.

This case is poor

1. Why should I vote a VT?
2. I did not say I was tryong to lynch mason. I merely said I thought you were lying. Huge difference.
3. I refer you to Micro 590. Not alignment indicative.

1. You should vote a VT claim because it's better than no lynching unless a) you're scum and know that Keysor is town or b) Keysor is your partner.
2. Bullshit. You were trying to lynch Guy and insinuated that I'd make up my feelings to do it.
3. Refer me to whatever you want. Why me? Fry me. Wins.
4. Unvote and revote on guy is pathetic.

1. What about the fact that I'm town and express a consistent 97% townread on Keyser. Should I ditch that read just cuz "welp, its deadline & the other guy got confirmed as towm"?
2. You claimed that Guy was a Mason. I questioned the validity of the claim, as you have been spewing whatever you want this game. The fact that I asked two people ON THE OPPOSITE WAGON their views of the claim should tip you that I was questioning myself & felt there could be some weight to your claim. Regardless of what I said then, it should be evident that there was some hesitation in what I said.
3. Okay, I'll describe it for you. In Micro 590, I was a Heroic Town Rolecop. One of my first posts in the game was a RVS vote about a fake dayvig shot. That guy, Fire Starter, jumps on me since we were apparently out of RVS. I apparently overreacted to him, and regardless of what I said from then til my lynch, they could not think of any possibility except I was scum who was flailing. Point being, flailing isn't always scum indicative. Esp. when it hardly counts as flailing as it did there and as it does now.
4. Metadive me. You implicitly stated an intent to hammer. I didn't want to lynch quite yet, and Guy was at L-1. I unvoted so other could respond. I revote the next day because I was pretty sure Guy was scum at that pooint and there didn't seem to be any point in waiting any longer.

Pedit - I dare you to metadive me.

[Ircher]

Ircher, the problem here is that you're more concerned with your perception than what is right for town.

You put a vote while saying it's for deadline purposes.

But you're concerned about how you're perceived more than the result.

Depends on player meta. In my case, not alignment indicative

[Ircher]

And, I'm not lynching a 97% townread of mine; that's stupid

[SirCakez]

Votecount 1.18

Keyser Soze (5) - Thor665, GuyFawkes, Boonskies, KainTepes, Slandaar
GuyFawkes (4) - TellTaleHeart, popsofctown, Aquanim, BlueBloodedToffee
Ircher (2) - massive, Titus
No Lynch (1) - Ircher

Not voting (1) - Keyser Soze

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-03-13 08:31:00) remain until day end

[Titus]

Ircher, the problem here is that you're more concerned with your perception than what is right for town.

You put a vote while saying it's for deadline purposes.

But you're concerned about how you're perceived more than the result.

Depends on player meta. In my case, not alignment indicative

Yes it is. That means at best you play pro yourself and not pro town as town. Unless you know Keysor is town via mod confirmed or obvious, you should be willing to vote him.

[Ircher]

It's obvious to me. Hence, 97%. Anything higher is a conf town read for me.

[Ircher]

Also, @Hypocrite
Why are you voting me if you think I should vote KS? A wagon is unlikely to form this close to deadline. And if it did, I would FoS everyone on it.

[Titus]

Also, @Hypocrite
Why are you voting me if you think I should vote KS? A wagon is unlikely to form this close to deadline. And if it did, I would FoS everyone on it.

This right here is another Why me fry me post.

I don't think you'd be objecting if pops had a sudden wagon would you?

You're not even trying to lynch scum anymore. If you're favoring lynching scum, you could at least make a symbolic gesture of voting your scumread. You will not because you're not town.

I will hammer Keysor if I must. People who I am townreading very vocally think he's scum. I just happen to disagree.

[Titus]

It's obvious to me. Hence, 97%. Anything higher is a conf town read for me.

The only way you should be reaching this level of certainty is if Keysor claimed a mod confirmable role. He has not.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Titus

OMGUS reasons comprise part of it

[Ircher]

98-99% is a roleclaim I believe; 100% is things directly confirmed by mod like myself & innocent childs

[Ircher]

97% is the highest confidence I can have in a townread without something to verify (ie Cop result, Mod explicit confirm, non cc roleclaim that's believable)

[GuyFawkes]

Titus, what makes you think I'm a mason?

[Titus]

Yes, vote the person who you think might be claiming mason with Guy. *eyeroll*

How about voting your scumreads? Instead, when I push you to vote, you vote your biggest detractor and not your scumread.

You aren't about catching scum. You're about your own confidence.