Mini 1773 : Symphonic Metal Mafia (Game Over?!)

[Jake from State Farm]

Maestro, farmer, Jake. It's two of them. Everyone else is town.

Oh now I'm back on your scum list?

You need rope

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh almost forgot, jake, Wisdom did not omgus Dierfire and also Dierfire flipped scum.

Never accused wisdom of omgusing dire. Learn to read

[Wisdom]

Who's my buddy, Jake?

[Wisdom]

VOTE: farmer

[Wisdom]

I've decided. It's farmer/Jake.

[Jake from State Farm]

Who's my buddy, Jake?

Not really sure. I have to do some re-reading and I don't do that on my phone.

[Shiro]

@Masquarede

Well you never really left my scumpool,I just kind of thought I couldnt push you alone and I was scumreading jake. Thought maybe I could rally support after that but alas no such thing.

Let's not be a town that doesn't entertain any lynch candidates except for the participants in whatever the loudest 1v1 is at the time. Maestro's hammer actuallly gives me town vibes (I wouldn't think scum would be so quick to finalize the mislynch of someone who could probably be easily mislynched on a later day). I'm still null on Wisdom. It does appear that his reads are progressing, but what I don't see is how he's actually sorting.

How can you be null on the most active person in the game ?

[Masquerade]

Oh almost forgot, jake, Wisdom did not omgus Dierfire and also Dierfire flipped scum.

Never accused wisdom of omgusing dire. Learn to read

Sorry about that, you're right. I normally check those things more carefully.. I thought that was still about Wisdom but it was a response to Wisdom about Kts.

@Shiro: You voted jake for his hammer. Your post suggests you remembered the reasons for that hammer. Logically, your vote should move to Maestro when you find out you mixed the 2 up. How is Maestro different from jake?

(You know Wisdom, maybe that was Shiro's way of telling her buddy to improve his posts, I don't know but I'm just getting bad vibes from Shiro so I won't ignore her just because of that one post.)

[SnarkySnowman]

In 684 you say you're scumreading Maestro because his appearance here is like previous games in which he was scum. Was this also the basis for your scumread on Jake?

That's not why I'm scumreading Maestro

So uh.... what happened to this?

[SnarkySnowman]

I agree with the farmer case a bit tbh? But I definitely think we should run up Maestro some more. I won't let the AtE stop me.

[Shiro]

@Shiro: You voted jake for his hammer. Your post suggests you remembered the reasons for that hammer. Logically, your vote should move to Maestro when you find out you mixed the 2 up. How is Maestro different from jake?

The difference is that I was townreading Maestro.

[Shiro]

That is uh...that is kind of a big deal

[Masquerade]

The hammer didn't change that? Because your townread is from Day 1 and you were about ready to lynch jake for that hammer. So if that hammer was so scummy, did it do something for your Maestro-read?

[Rylai and Lina]

The hammer didn't change that? Because your townread is from Day 1 and you were about ready to lynch jake for that hammer. So if that hammer was so scummy, did it do something for your Maestro-read?

well yea it did but I said from the get go I would prefer you over jake but I thought it wouldnt happen, Jake being a meh read (now scum lean cause of hammer which turned out not to be anyway) I had no problem. Maestro went from a townread to a scumread sure but not to where I had jake and not where I had you.

[Shiro]

The hammer didn't change that? Because your townread is from Day 1 and you were about ready to lynch jake for that hammer. So if that hammer was so scummy, did it do something for your Maestro-read?

well yea it did but I said from the get go I would prefer you over jake but I thought it wouldnt happen, Jake being a meh read (now scum lean cause of hammer which turned out not to be anyway) I had no problem. Maestro went from a townread to a scumread sure but not to where I had jake and not where I had you.

oops

[a plain farmer]

I don't like how a plain farmer responded to my questions to Dierfire. It feels a little defensive. But that;s all I have so far.

How was it defensive? If anything, it was probing, or could even be interpreted as accusatory.

Yes. Defensive of your buddy. Isn't that chainsawing? I don't really remember all those terms.

Defensive of Dier? OK. I'd originally asked that because I was wondering what you were doing, but I can see how you might see it this way. Chainsawing, btw, is when a scum attacks someone who attacks his buddy, not merely defending the buddy.

Also, like Dierfire, he adds another perspective. I don't even know why you would add another perspective? If you're town you have one perspective and that's to lynch scum.

What do you mean by this?

[a plain farmer]

How can you be null on the most active person in the game ?

It's not clear to me how he's actually formulating his reads. If there isn't any indication of how his reads come into being (as indicated by explanations of why someone's town/scum), then it is difficult to gage such things as whether he is operating from an uninformed or informed perspective, and whether his reads are developing in a natural, townie way (as opposed to being created secondarily for some scum purpose).

Despite this, I'm not scumreading him because his reads have been progressing and I get the feeling that he is trying to figure the game out.

If you have any suggestions as to how to build up this read, I'd love to hear it.

[a plain farmer]

Snarky:

@ Snarky

Do you have any prior experience with Maestro?

Can we drop this and agree Wisdom is town? I definitely follow his line of thinking here and I think it's distracting from {Jake, Maestro} scum and {Aristo} SK

Why do you assume that the second death is due to a SK, and why do you posit that SK to be Aristo?

Also I'd like an actual claim if possible, and also a weigh-in from anyone who is not Wisdom, Jake, Maestro

Why do you want a claim at L-4? I know it's low-hanging fruit, but how am I to see this as anything other than role-fishing?

answer these please.

[SnarkySnowman]

No prior experience with Maestro, also I really want him at L-1 because I'm pretty sure he's scum.

[a plain farmer]

Thanks. What is the thing(s) about Wisdom that make him town to you?

[SnarkySnowman]

Similar thought process to me, and feels very much identical to his town play in Machina Mafia (see my wiki)

[Aristophanes]

Scum don't follow patterns. Like town don't follow patterns. Expecting them to do things is dumb.

Says the guy who just used 3 year old Meta...

[Aristophanes]

Though, nah, if Shiro was Maestro's buddy there's no way she'd think Jake hammered.

That question wasn't asked with the idea of Maestro being scum. She could also be white knighting.

Well Maestro's scum though, and tbh you look more town now. Maybe I should reread plain farmer for the third.

Gimme a C
C!!!

Gimme an O
O!!!

Gimme a -
This is gonna take too long.

Dat Confbiasing though.
This is what Jake(?) meant by you not considering other options.

[Aristophanes]

Not much new in D2. Cool. I'll ISO Dire when I get a chance.

Masq is cool for having done that unprompted.

[Frozen Angel]

After Forever is the eponymous fifth and final studio album by Dutch symphonic metal band After Forever. It was released in the United States on September 28, 2007. The bonus track "Lonely" appears on the digipack edition. The album reached position No. 6 on the Dutch album charts.