Cyberpunk Mafia [Game Over!]

[CatDog]

Really, a request to justify your read gets this hostility? I'm open to the possibility of being clueless, you have have to show the way. You act as if I'm requesting to move mountains.

the lapdog comment is what I was referring to

I will happily get you things if you show me any inclination you care what I'm thinking

[CatDog]

yosarian where did you BBT townread come from?

guy is like most naturally scummy poster on site and you're heralding him with the WORLD

[BadGirls]

Really, a request to justify your read gets this hostility? I'm open to the possibility of being clueless, you have have to show the way. You act as if I'm requesting to move mountains.

the lapdog comment is what I was referring to

I will happily get you things if you show me any inclination you care what I'm thinking

I care about the words, not who says them. I am a big proponent of getting all the information in the open and then dissecting it, even from people I'm not trusting or warm to. As long as things don't devolve into bullshit inane things, I generally overtalk rather than undertalk. It's one of my bigger flaws. I never want anyone to shut up, unless I say "shut up" or some variant of that.

[Varsoon]

Catdog pushing Dwlee makes me want nothing to do with it at all.
Also, I don't think I'm rolefishing, but if you wanna throw shade, go ahead and say I am.

[CatDog]

I was pushing dwlee WAY before you were.

UTL has a tell on him shes confident in

[Brian Skies]

@Titus: You haven't read anything I've said about Muffin obviously not softclaiming rolecop, have you? Also, you suspect DGB, but according to Maxous, Dwlee is sorting an innocent result on her. I want your thoughts on all this.

[Brian Skies]

Sorting = supposedly softclaiming

[BadGirls]

I did. I found it to be confusing at best.

You're claiming Muffin didn't soft rolecop when his pattern clearly indicates he did, as laid out by several others. You're instead trying to spin the soft claim into something else entirely. When the Muffin wagon happened, people came out of the woodwork to spin the obvious away and it irks me hard. You're being the most direct about it.

If Dwlee has an innocent result on DGB, I'll let him confirm or deny when he's ready.

[Brian Skies]

You're claiming Muffin didn't soft rolecop when his pattern clearly indicates he did, as laid out by several others. You're instead trying to spin the soft claim into something else entirely. When the Muffin wagon happened, people came out of the woodwork to spin the obvious away and it irks me hard. You're being the most direct about it.

Your accusation is dubious at best. And what's confusing about it?

Drixx opens the day saying he received a clarification from the mod about a rolecop. In 1245, Drixx claims the part about him being a Mason was stripped out (which means a Rolecop can't confirm him). Muffin doesn't softclaim he can confirm Drixx until 1267. If Muffin was the scum rolecop, he should already know he can't confirm Drixx's claim and his softclaim here makes no sense.

[BadGirls]

Under your theory, Muffin softclaims he can confirm Drixx randomly meaning a random softclaim of a hider or cop for no reason and leaves out just how he confirms Drixx which is just unreliable towncred seeking behavior.

It makes more sense that Muffin is softclaiming that he rolecopped Drixx and got a role with obvious redactions in it, vouching for Drixx's claim and attempting to confirm himself.

[Brian Skies]

Muffin said he wasn't a cop. I can only think of three other roles that can check for alignment: hider, weak, and lie detector. The first two fit his softclaim since he would need to crumb his target in case he died. Lie detector doesn't really fit, but it's pretty uncommon anyway.

Also, I think you just want to believe Muffin was softclaiming Rolecop. But come on now. Seriously? Drixx told us his role can't be confirmed, so Muffin obviously meant alignment. Even if you don't believe his claim, better play is to lynch him after he takes his action. If we're lucky, he finds us scum. Worst case scenario is we lynch him today, he flips town, and we lose a powerful investigative result (which is what you're pushing for right now).

[Varsoon]

Yeah, this is the exact sort of thing I want Muffin to come in and clear up.

[BadGirls]

Muffin's softclaim fits with rolecop much more than hider or anything. There's no need to spontaneously claim hider for someone who wasn't likely to be lynched at all. You're claiming the possibility we lose a powerful PR is a reason not to lynch Muffin but you're also arguing that Dwlee softed an investigative role as well. Yet you do want to lynch Dwlee.

You're clearly not applying the same standards here across the board.

I'm going to bed now.

[Brian Skies]

First of all, irregardless of what people think of Muffin and Dwlee, Dwlee seems to be softclaiming a result whereas the other is claiming he hasn't taken his action yet. I'm not treating them the same because the circumstances are different. We might get a confirmed town DGB if Dwlee somehow happens to flip town. We get nothing if we lynch Muffin today and he flips town.

How does his softclaim fit rolecop more than hider? How does his softclaim

not

fit hider? If you can convince me of the latter (and you won't), then I'll sheep you. And for the record, your slot even said that his interactions with Drixx make no sense as a Rolecop when you started pushing him.

[Brian Skies]

Both Muffin and Drixx get a mod notification about how the rolecop interacts with certain roles.

Also, what even is this? What's the point of the mod interaction with Drixx if they're just going to tell scum as well?

[beeboy]

I figured out muffin's role I think.

[beeboy]

His role isn't necessarily town though :/

[Maxous]

I read dwlee and catdog as town.
I'm starting to sour on diamondsentinel, I might be open to a wagon there.

Regardless

unvote,

VOTE: Tammy

This is where I want to be at right now

[beeboy]

Nah Tammy is town, trust me just trust me. If she is scum we can sort her later.

[Yosarian2]

I don't see how Muffin could be town with his actions so far. He and DS and DGB are where I prefer to go.

I know this is going to sound strange, given how little info he's given us, but Muffin's semi-claim and his related behavior actually makes a fair amount of sense to me. It seems more plausible then not at the moment, pending a more detailed explination tomorrow.

[Yosarian2]

flailing? omgusing?

bullshit. I called you out WELL before you even mentioned me

This seems to be just factually untrue.

The first time you mentioned me at all was in your post 451, when you were defending against a case I made against you.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p7713498

The first time you said anything negitive about me was in your post 827, and that was you complaining about the "quality" of the case I was making against you.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p7725761

So, no, you did not call me out "before I mentioned you". Your attack on me was an OMGUS response to me attacking you right from the start.

You even tried to play the "Yos is too good to be attacking us like this" card, which is such a classic scum defense.

But if you're claiming you called me out "before I mentioned you" then please, show me where.

[Untrod Tripod]

Votecount 2.8

4nxi3ty
Aeronaut
BadGirls
beeboy
BlueBloodedToffee
Brian Skies - 1 (BBT)
Catdog - 2 (Yos, 4nx)
DiamondSentinel
DrippingGoofball
Drixx
Dwlee99 - 3 (beeboy, Brian Skies, CatDog)
Maxous
Muffin - 4 (R&L, Dwlee99, BadGirls, Varsoon)
PeregrineV - 1 (Muffin)
Rylai and Lina
Tammy - 1 (Maxous)
Varsoon - 1 (DiamondSentinel)
Yosarian2

Not Voting - 5 (Aeronaut, DGB, Drixx, PV, Tammy)

With 18 alive, it's 10 to lynch. Deadline in (expired on 2016-03-26 18:00:00)

[4nxi3ty]

Really, a request to justify your read gets this hostility?

This is the question of the hour. Same thing earlier when I was pushing Catdog to explain reads more.

I was pushing dwlee WAY before you were.

UTL has a tell on him shes confident in

share said "tell". (unless you already said it earlier and I missed it?)

[4nxi3ty]

Yos, why are you townreading DGB, I feel like there should be more fire from her, but I don't know her normal playstyle?

Point out the posts to me where you think Dwlee is coming from a town POV because no one has done this for me yet and reading his ISO I can't find very many.

I think you're confusing playstyle with scumminess. Like the directions he takes feel very individualistic, like he doesn't have an agenda, is not trying to fit in with everyone else.

[Dwlee99]

If Dwlee has an innocent result on DGB, I'll let him confirm or deny when he's ready.

This is my not answering.