Mini 1776: Evolution Mafia (Game Over)

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VOTE: Specter

Hi Errant! And someone else idk

Oh, you should at least know my name.
VOTE: Apricity
- Max

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Hi Anti! I'm good, how's hell?
- Max

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I guess we could do it at L-2?

I mean, this isn't a huge game, and we can be civil.

Or we can just do it whenever and come closer to a consensus near lynchtime.

Ah, damn. Sorry Fire. I don't remember your posting styles.

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I quoted that in my last post to say I agreed and forgot about it.
- Max

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I don't like how you're implying there's a difference between spam and pink slime.
- Max

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Nah, Flubber setup specc'ing reminds me of town-Flubber.
What was the game that you made that chart in, Flubber?
At least, I'm pretty sure you were town in that one.

I wouldn't call that setup speccing, more like.. optimal play theorizing? Reminds me of Drixx or Cerb in Saga, can't remember who. Don't know if either is typical of Flub tho.
- Max

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Guys! Pick a lynch! Optimum play is for town to quick lynch and get lucky or sacrifice town! But we have to do it quickly before scum catch on! Now who's it going to be?!

I was about to vote this ^^^ as a joke but then this happened:

What would have been a good answer to that? "Lol no your advice sucks"?

VOTE: SirCakez

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This is going to be one of those games isn't it?

Dude I was going to make the EXACT same post at the end of page 4.
- Max

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Hi all, seems like I am a bit late to this evolutionary party.

I am seeing some notes for extinction about Mr.Cakez, can someone brief me?

I'll tell you my side!

Cakez: terrible reason for a vote!
Pers: umm day 1 bro whatchu want?
Cakez: ok vote (reasonable to me would be "Yeah, I guess, but still" or "Yeah I guess, I'm not seeing it" not "Yeah ok good case!")
Me: wtf?
Pers: umm what?
Cakez: what the heck, you want me to disagree with you or not?!
Spector: Yeah, no
Me: Yeah, no

This account is amazingly written. It's like I was there!

Wait...
- Max

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One of those games where we find scum on day 1 and get the easy lynch cause scum buddies want mutations too? Yup

Is this actually how you'd play it as scum?
- Max

PEdit: Hi Shiro! Long time no see.

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Heh I like you Max.

Oh fuck, compliments are my weakness.. how am I supposed to vote you now?
- Max

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the heat wagon was bad, why wagon someone who's not gonna respond to the pressure?

Nah, Flubber setup specc'ing reminds me of town-Flubber.

i'm gonna call this a reach

pers is doing good work right now. you're alright pers

i wasn't super convinced about the cakez thing although i will say that it def merited a vote when there wasn't a lot of content that was align indic, but i seriously don't like cakez reaction to this

-EP

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Errant, I'm thinking we probably don't need to sign our posts. We're both p consistent.

lane: Yeah, I was in complete disagreement with your earlier post but your explanation actually makes a lot of sense. Not sure if that's how I'd do it, but yeah. I feel like we're gonna see a lot of gung ho town who want powers being camouflage for scum who want town wagons, though.

PEdit: Same thing for town. It's always better to be on the wagon than off it. I feel like I'll need to change how I think about votes a bit.

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^^^^
Eh, changed my mind. I crave too much attention to NOT sign my name.
- Max

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Persevul may be my choice for a lynch today. So far, I feel like he is over-explaining.

how is he over explaining? he's made maybe like 3 content posts and all of those were succinct votes and reasons for those votes.

Why do you like Pers's play right now? I don't have Varsoon's experience, but I don't get it.

he's been pushing his own wagons with decent legitimacy to them and i've seen nothing scum from him, so, yeah, he's town until something points otherwise.

i swear, i go one whole game without slipping and of course it happens immediately the next game.

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Shiro case-

asking for reasons on an early wagon is already sending up red flags for me, mostly b/c i think in the early game, scum are a lot more likely to feel around and ask for town positions and opinions to be fed to them (as opposed to letting them naturally form on their own)

Shiro's post fits a scum painting but i also think this fits a town-that-hasn't-read-the-thread painting. you're saying that it's more likely to fit a scum narrative but i'm not sure how valid of a point that is.

this pinged me something fierce. here i'm feeling like shiro is a lot more concerned w/ ingratiating himself to lane and formulating/peddling this narrative that looks good (but is flimsy and doesn't really stand up to much thought) than actually getting the foundation to intuitive and solid reads going

this one i do agree with but do you think that the sircakes scumread is bad coming from people other than shiro or do you think that the specific way that shiro theorized sircakes interactions was bad? does the quality of the "narrative" affect the read in any way?

here's a flubb isodive
138 i'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this post.
find it also interesting that flubb is "building up" to a cakez vote. i find the timing of the vote as something potentially scum indic but will wait to hear your response. seems like you want to build up a progression without voting until that progression is strong enough so that people won't call you out on that shit. basically you were calling out multiple scummy things that cakez did without placing a vote. why did you do that?

I also have Hellhound for scum right now, but I could easily see that changing within the next 24-48 hours

you gonna explain this?

low-key noting I didn't have to vote to get the game out of rvs B-)

don't like this post

-ep

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Hellhound it's not the vote, it's the way he reacted to the votes. Specially the post I actually voted him for.

But Flubb, I also don't agree with the reason you're voting Cakez. He never agreed with a case on you, he just agreed there was no harm in pushing you for flimsy reasoning since it's 'early game, whatevs'.
- Max

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then he pointed out it was still sarly game and there wouldn't be much good evidence, which I then agreed with and voted Flubber.

Are you telling me Cakez shouldn't have recognized this on his own?

That's a tough pill to swallow

Either Cakez didn't think of it until it was brought up or he thought of it, pretended he didn't to question the Flubb vote, then pretended to agree. Is there another option?
Actually I don't like this anymore.
UNVOTE:
- Max

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VOTE: Edgar Allen Pro

Errant you can yell at me later if you're not a fan.
Hellhound's giving me weird vibes but I don't think they've actually done anything wrong. I think their treatment of the Cakez wagon is just reminding me of myself as scum. Their Shiro points are valid.

- Max

PEdit: To give my two cents scum try p hard to avoid dissonance, in my experience. Maybe it's different for some of em but I don't really take it as a tell.

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If he wasn't convinced in what persuvial was saying about me, why did he vote me?

>because he wanted to pressure you
>because he just wanted to shamelessly bandwagon
>because his finger slipped

pick one

you want to know why i called it a red herring?

b/c i think most ppl on the wagon are so caught up in OMG LOOKZ ITS A CONTRADICTION I LEARNED THIS IN ACE ATTORNEY and no one's actually trying to connect the dots from "sircakez said this thing" to "sircakez is thinking like scum and therefore probably is scum"

Cool but
104 is what actually bothered me. Opinion on that post in particular?

PEdit: Ah come on bro let's chat
- Max

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i got baited into this conversation and now max is wanting to turn it around on me like i'm whiteknighting or whatever

seriously, fuck this noise

Why're you mad dude? Quote where I accused you of something, because I seriously don't remember doing it.
- Max

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Apricity you ask a lotta nice questions but I'm not really sure on where you stand on.. anything.
- Max

PEdit: Hellhound, the 'just' in that sentence was me being dismissive of the weird vibes I was having. You're not me, your scumgame isn't identical to mine, and I didn't claim anything of the sort. The rest of that post is me saying that you 'haven't done anything wrong' and 'have made valid points'.
But that you interpreted it as me insinuating you were white knighting has me wondering where you came up with the idea. Why did you assume I was talking about defending Cakez when I could have been talking about something else? I don't think you're intimate with my scumgame.

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I want shiro to respond to hellhound's push, i do think that it has legitimacy to it, especially the cakez/lane thing.

Check the timestamps between that "post progression." There is no time for people to respond to the progression for me to be called out on anything. I read the thread, respond to anything I see that I feel needs a response, and vote when I've finished reading.

conceded. did not check timestamps.

yeah, max, this is me yelling at you cause i'm not a fan of that EAP vote but you can talk to me before i consider changing it.

i think something that might give me some info is looking at a scum game of apri's, i need to find out if using meta is valid on apri.

-EP

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Apricity: We may be hydras but we're still two different player slots. And aight, I'll wait on ya.

PEdit: Bruh I didn't say 'scummy defense' I said 'treatment of the Cakez wagon'
-Max

Nah Errant you can change the vote if you have somewhere better, just not on Cakez rn. I'll chat with ya about EAP tho

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I don't often do meta on games that I haven't personally played in, but i did so because I felt like there may have been a possibility that meta would help with apri so i skimmed through her newbie game ISO where she was scum.
I think that apri's overall play is more similar to space invaders but this is a really early judgment that i'm making, town for now.

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PEdit: Bruh I didn't say 'scummy defense' I said 'treatment of the Cakez wagon'

oh my god

if we're really doing this, just fucking kill me now

Sir you are very stressed, do you need an iced tea
- Max

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think im okay with the eap vote despite the fact that max didnt really convince me
Because the scum caught for the wrong reasons push is legit really bad
REALLY BAD

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Above post and this post are both EP.

But think about it. What you're saying is that the pushes on hound have been bullshit right? it's way not scum to "thrash" on a bullshit push
You're trying to paint a false picture and its really bad

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You know what? Even if anti was thrashing against legit push i fail to see how that's scummy unless that's like
Anti's meta or something idk
Because that's not the entirety of hound content

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I'll iso hellhound and get back to you.
-ep

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Although, hm, a lot of people have just outright abandoned the Hellhound wagon for other ventures.
I'm not seeing what makes SirCakes, Flubber, or Persivul so scum.

I agree witb this

I do not agree with your hound case still, i read the whole thing
The responding to pressure thing is just whatever. I can see why a lot of people thought sir cakez was scummy and just because one more person did doesnt mean it's opportunistic

i can see why you think that hound is scum, i just disagree.

For now i think a
VOTE: shiro
Is pretry good but max is free to change it, this isnt a hard read.

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The speed at which the wagon picked up on Hellhound and then dropped, followed by Hellhound still seeming tense to the point of wanting Firebringer to run damage control just strikes me as particularly weird.

What strikes me as weird is the way you push HH, but throw in some seeming coaching posts like 302 and 306.

Also, this is kind of bad post i would say

-still EP

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I could see the town logic behind it if you agree that town wants to be survivalistic, but I've always adhered to the philosophy that town should just wear their guts on the outside for everyone to see.

I didnt interpret it as an act of survivalism, i just saw someone who was fed up with the game
But if it was survivalism, then why are you reading other people on a standard that you hold yourself to?

And the shiro vote is largely just what hound said about shiro interactions with cakez in addition to my desire for shiro to respond to it.

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Anti, I didn't mean to piss you off, seriously don't know why I did. That level of interaction is something I'd expect between two players in a mafia game, and I think you blew it out of proportion. I obviously said something that i didnt intend and im sorry for that. Still, your reaction leaves me unsure of your alignment. But that's just my opinion, and I'll drop the subject that started this, and just focus on Firebringer for a while.
And hi Varsoon! <3
Hiplop howd I miss that you were in this game?
Persivul I think you should answer. Pros point was that people often 'feel' Fire is town, and that doesn't seem to have a lot to do with his alignment. So, in those games where you read him right, was he scum of town? It's an important distinction.
- Max

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Specter, can I just say. I really like your guys avatar.

Thanks man. Now I just need to get Errant to write the Sig...
- Max

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That's not how anti-mutagens work. The vote prevents people from receiving a mutation the next cycle, if someone is voted for the anti-mutagen they'll still get to mutate for being on the wagon, they just won't be able to the following day.
- Max

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Also, how do people using AM votes for their scumreads make it difficult to track reads? Lynch vote is most scum, AM vote is second-most scum. And then you consolidate and compromise as normal.
- Max

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That's not how anti-mutagens work. The vote prevents people from receiving a mutation the next cycle, if someone is voted for the anti-mutagen they'll still get to mutate for being on the wagon, they just won't be able to the following day.
- Max

Also, how do people using AM votes for their scumreads make it difficult to track reads? Lynch vote is most scum, AM vote is second-most scum. And then you consolidate and compromise as normal.
- Max

As I understand it, you only mutate if you are on the lynchwagon (regardless of the alignment that flips). This means that AM votes are useless if they aren't on lynchvoters. Just say you find someone suspicious and won't vote them if you want to...think someone is scum...and not vote for them....

You're correct that AM'd players can still use abilities the following night.

You should read the explanation post again. You only mutate when you're on the lynch wagon, yes.
But say I'm on the lynch wagon, and I'm also the AM vote for today. I'd be able to mutate tonight for being on the wagon, but the following day I likely wouldn't try too hard to be on the lynch wagon for the sake of it, because the following day I'd be unable to mutate.
I'm busy right now unfortunately, but it's an itch I need to scratch when I see players operating under a misunderstanding of the mechanics, so I wanna make sure everyone gets it.

Also, AMed players are never prevented from using their abilities, they're just prevented from gaining new ones from mutation the following Cycle.
- Max

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Things change day to day. IMO lynches rarely progress smoothly from day 1 reads in order of scumminess. Scum have to dodge both lynches and AMs if they want power.

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^^ - Max obvs

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this is a fluid read but I think it's better than the shiro read but i am expecting shiro to actually get in the thread and do shit.
VOTE: hiplop

in addition, some of eap's posts (and to a lesser extent cakez) give off the attitude of "you're not doing content so you're bad"
obviously the whole low content thing hurts the game as a whole but why is it pushworthy i wonder? that's a question to both of you

-EP.

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this is a fluid read but I think it's better than the shiro read but i am expecting shiro to actually get in the thread and do shit.
VOTE: hiplop

ep. do you agree with my plan y/n

I don't understand how it will work. People will have conflicting ideas as to who should be on the lynch wagon and who should be lynched.

this is a bad push. I mean give people a chance to actually catch up. Never know what ppl are going through. If this continues much longer, yea, eat rope. But for now these two horrible pushes are not looking great for you

although i do agree with this.

VOTE: Hiplop
His posts on the last two pages are pretty bad. Asking already answered questions, shooting down vote analysis, fluffing, etc

why is any of this scummy

i think 500 merits a vote but i will discuss with maxwellpuckett.
for now VOTE: shiro
my hiplop read is still there but not as strong.

-EP

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Hi this is EP. Will try to get a thoughtslist on everyone in the game out in a few hours.

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this is from a full reread of the game, not just ISOs

EAP: I like what EAP says about Cakez on the Heat wagon in 153. I will note that I also think that the EAP push on hellhound was misguided imo but can come from a town perspective definitely. But i will note that pushing someone who isn't posting a lot of content, i feel is mislynch logic. I do notice some other people along with IANV trying to push some low-activity people which makes no sense to me because why would effort indicate alignment unless it was some insanely real meta dichotomy if you catch my drift.

hiplop: I don't want to go into detail about why I thought/think hiplop was/is scum until i'm more confident in it. I do think that hiplop's strategy might work if we were a little more coordinated and had a little more time, but it's just not feasible.

Hellhound: Like I said before, I find little validity in what other people argue for hellhound being scum. I don't think that necessarily makes the people that push hellhound scum.

Heat: Heat's catchup failed to take a lot of good stances but I think he makes some good points.

SirCakez: I don't think the change in Flubber was particularly bad. When you consider it, it seems coming more from a town perspective than scum motivation. However, that being said, I do think that his response to the resulting pressure was bad.

lane: Looking back on it, lane's entrance was really bland. I originally liked the cakes push, the narrative that he was pushing was at least better than Shiro's but that doesn't really mean much to me anymore. The push on Apricity makes me HIGHLY uncomfortable. I dont know what to think about lane's observation on the EAP push on hellhound, I thought that was definitely something that merited lane's vote so it makes it weird that lane didn't vote.

Shiro: The early game was something that I felt needed a good response for me to ignore. did not deliver. I also dislike the SirCakez push.

Apricity: This townread on Apri is a meta read, and so I don't want to put too much stock in it. However, I will note that I felt there were a lot of things that pinged me in space invaders that came from Apri when Apri was conftown, meaning that behavior that I find scummy isn't actually very indicative. 382 - I don't necessarily agree with shiro admitting that the post looked scummy makes shiro scum, but i do think that others might come to that conclusion.

Iecerint: Miller claim, cool. I assume that was the mod clarification question

Flubbernugget: 174 seems weird to me no matter how I look at it. But his reaction to my push on him seemed legit. I do agree with Persivul in 248 and I think that Persivul is town for now, and Flubber is someone that I might consider. I agree with a lot of what Flubber says on page 14, so there is that.

Persivul: I don't think that Pers is particularly scum for pushing the Heat wagon, but I do think that there is some oddness to the way that the Heat wagon developed. I don't understand how Cakez tries to defend the Heat wagon as something that was legit, feels odd to me. I do think that the Flubberpush early on for the strategy discussion was bad, but genuine. Persivul's game later on sort of doesn't really strike me as particularly good.

zakk/shadow: Shadow keeps the interactions to a minimum, really only talking about firebringer. I personally the reluctance to interact with the playerlist as a whole possibly scummy, but then again, the activity level from this slot kind of skews that data.

Other than shiro, I would seriously consider hiplop and lane.
I would weakly consider Persivul and flubber for now.

-EP

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Errant currently has more of a grasp on this game than me thanks to their catchup, so I'm going to let them choose if they want to change our vote or not.
But I support the Shiro wagon, moreso than the hiplop one. Don't really get the hiplop scumread, actually.
Shiro can you tell me more about what my posts remind you of? Are you talking, like.. Saga Frontier? I don't remember how much we interacted in that game, and it's the only recent game I think we were both in. Also after that post I would have expected you to vote us, not Cakez. The fact that you did makes me wonder if you did because there's actually support for that one.
- Max

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Have a Heat ISO and a readslist. Might ISO flubber again in a bit.

ok i am catching up!! just finished page 4

dont like pers. has a srs vote on flubber and then goes back to RVS it looks like in 98 with a vote on hellhound

gagging

I thought this was a good observation but thinking about it further, ultimately it doesn't make sense that you would push this as scummy. Sure, there's scum motivation in prolonging RVS but that doesn't mean that scum actively tries to do so. In fact, I would say that scum would have equal if not more motivation to do early game pushes to establish themselves as town.

SC wagon seems like an overreaction tbh
I didn't think the vote was that bad. His "this is gonna be one of those games" comment tho is kinda nullscum to me cause it just reminds me of throwing hands up instead of explaining or talking to ppl

I'll keep an eye on him

So sircakez wagon is not justified, and then you throw in a shaky reason to scumread someone. This looks bad regardless of cakez' alignment.

at page 10

hellhound is town rn. frustration seems rly genuine/not forced. i like it. their shiro case also makes sense

What about hellhound's frustration is genuine? Why is hellhound incapable of faking frustration? Not saying I disagree with you.

Town:
Hellhound

Town for now:
Iece
EAP
Apricity
Cakez

Unsure:
Heat (would lynch)
zakk (would drag my feet on lynching)

Would support lynching:
Flubber
Persivul

Scum:
Shiro
hiplop
lane

-EP

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I thought this was a good observation but thinking about it further, ultimately it doesn't make sense that you would push this as scummy. Sure, there's scum motivation in prolonging RVS but that doesn't mean that scum actively tries to do so. In fact, I would say that scum would have equal if not more motivation to do early game pushes to establish themselves as town.

I am going to rescind this.
I went back and looked over the pages leading up to that and it definitely is something to look at.

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@Lane and Hiplop
Why are you guys getting so bent out of shape that he is scum reading you two? You can defend yourselves when he or I actually try to push your wagons and lay out our arguments. Telling you what makes your play scummy right now would just let you correct your game and make building a case against you harder later.

This isn't exactly the reason I'm not explaining my hiplop read. I do want to see hiplop's ISO unfold separate of the reason why I'm scumreading him, because if he did stop doing the things that made me think he's scum, it's not because i said those were the things that made me think he was scum. It was because he was town. Basically I want to evaluate hiplop's slot fairly because it's a read that I think might be subject to change.

If I said "hiplop is scum because X"
and hiplop went "okay, then I'll stop doing X"
It's not like that would make me or other people less suspicious of hiplop.

ep explain your scumread right now on me or ill burn your house down

i don't really see you scumhunting too much. that's a part of it.
could you give us like reads or something
if it helps, max doesn't share my scumread.

-EP

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lane- i reviewed your iso and i'd probably promote you to would support lynching.
but for me there seems to be a quality in your reads that makes me think that they're fake.

Here's my case.

1. Cakez- I felt that the reason for you pushing cakez is not really enough for you to just not consider any other people, which is the vibe i get from you. I don't really understand how you would think that. I can disagree with something and still understand how it would come from town. That's not what's happening here.
2. Apricity- "hey i've seen scum do this before so apricity might be scum." that's bad. in addition to that, what you're talking about is literally low activity. That's mislynch logic.
3. EAP- 440 I thought was a lot stronger than what you had going for Cakez, yet you didn't vote EAP. Do you disagree with me here and why?
4. hiplop- you seem to be antagonistic with this slot without saying anything explicitly like "this is scum." That makes me suspicious.

-EP.

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then why ask me to explain, hippy :/

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I know full well why you're thinking I'm scum. So I'm going to keep doing it.

This is what your second sentence tells me

"I want to give off this vibe of 'I don't care how other people perceive me' but I actually do"

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hiplop what do you think of my other scumreads

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And look back at his 146. I still really hate that post. I don't know why other people aren't bothered by it.

care to explain

-EP

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pls tell me why, for all of these. one sentence each

and darn right you better drag your feet on lynching me

Hellhound is town because of the offensive on Shiro, the EAP interactions seem legitimate, and overall reactions to new developments in the game mean that their reads are fluid in a way that makes me think town.
Iece is likely town because I agree with EAP about how the miller claim is legit.
EAP because of interactions with Cakez and Hellhound.
Apricity because of meta, but this is probably more like unsure right now.
Cakez is likely town because I think I do agree with EAP about how town players are more likely to be transparent instead of survivalist and that's what I'm getting from Cakez right now, along with a good number of the things that people have been pushing him for being invalid.
I'd lynch Heat because there's nothing stopping me from wanting to lynch heat right now.
I'd drag my feet on lynching you mainly because of tone, it's super weak which is why I'm unsure.
Flubber's early game was weak and after that he hasn't been particularly great.
Persivul's the opposite- early game was fine but after that has been meh.
The original reason for Shiro case wasn't flawless, but the reaction to that case has been terrible.
The hiplop read is part meta and part reactive play. I've been pushing this read because I either want to solidify or get rid of it.
I've explained why I think lane's reads are fake in 600.

i have never hated myself more

-EP

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Lane feels weak? Like yea, maybe? Shiro same.

yea, shiro's wagon is absolute trash.

dude

-EP

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Hey all, did you miss me yesterday? Today's open makes me feel better for EAP town, but I'm not actually caught up yet. See y'all tonight for that.
Icerint is an odd kill. I'm pretty sure he claimed his Miller.
- Max

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Hi it's EP

I think recent posting from Flubber makes him seem more town and the meta case from Persi seems like it comes from a town perspective.
Cakez might also be town, Hellhound is town.

I'll wait for max to finish the catchup before I place a vote, I'm not confident enough with anything so a second opinion will help

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Hey there everyone. First of all, don't blame our lack of activity on Errant, I'm pretty sure they've been waiting for me to catchup. Which I will do tonight, in about an hour actually.
- Max

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Okay losers I'm here now

EAP vs Hellhound and Cakez vs lane:
Don't like lane or Cakez really, here, EAP vs. Hellhound might be TvT or it might not, but as of right now I have no problems with what Varsoon's putting out and a few problems with Hellhound.
Flub: You called Cakez's push shit but don't comment on hiplop following it? Still though, town.
zakk: Really didn't like the timing of the Hellhound vote, but I have these vague, indistinct memories of playing with zakk at one point and him being pretty mislynchable. problem is I don't even remember if the dude was town or scum, or what the game was. I feel like I was scum in it, though? zakk, bud, help me out here. <3
Persivul: Ack actually Percy's vote on Cakez is worse for me. 821. Don't like what it's built on at all.
Hellhound: Alignment-wise I don't really know, I do know that I'm not a fan of their attitudes. Someone scumreading you for reasons you dislike doesn't make a game terrible, broskis.
SirCakez: I'm gonna go with town, though I don't really agree with his reads. Besides him just gut looking town, I haven't really been liking the reasoning for pushes on him.
Apricity: Errant said town yesterday, and they've played with her before, so I'll just leave that one. Will chat with Errant about it if they're unsure, but I also feel good about the read.
lane: eh, town? I laughed when he told hiplop to listen to Percy re: lane's meta, because Percy was calling him town and hiplop was not. I don't know lane's meta at all so I can't really participate in the discussion properly.

So, that's this day looked at. Now for dinner.
VOTE: Persivul

AM: zakk

[Specter Deflectors]

The above and this came from Max, btw.

[Specter Deflectors]

Hellhound: Alignment-wise I don't really know, I do know that I'm not a fan of their attitudes. Someone scumreading you for reasons you dislike doesn't make a game terrible, broskis.

I am guessing this is from Max? Cause Errant was town reading us....
Hydra dissonance. I don't know if its scummy just weird.

Yknow I never got that. Why is it weird that we don't have the same opinions? We're the same slot, not the same person. Masons aren't expected to have the exact same reads, either. Errant and I have both been MIA as well, considering our slot was just prodded, so.. yeah, I'm not sure myself where Errant is at rn.
Like yeah I get that it causes problems if a hydra is fighting itself but I think people use the term 'hydra dissonance' too loosely
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

I only have feelings on the players who've posted today. I had an 'eh idk' next to hiplop's name but now that I look at the post I must've deleted it or something. I'm not caught up yet on the end of Day 1 where I wasn't around but I plan on doing that later.
I dunno if I have other scumreads, mostly I have people I'm unsure about. I find townhunting more fruitful than scumhunting tho so it's kinda to be expected.
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

hi guys, i've been following this game but haven't found the time to post, been looking at other games
super sorry, expect me to come back with a vengeance tomorrow.

-EP

[Specter Deflectors]

I'm pretty sure max/ep are the same person TBH

Shit Errant we've been found out. Time to stop the lies

Flub: You called Cakez's push shit but don't comment on hiplop following it? Still though, town.

Do you really think me trying to interact with hiplop would be productive

I know nothing about your relationship with Hiplop tbh. Do you guys have a thing?
- Max

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I personally think you are town, but Anti isn't convinced.

im not

i think there's something to iec dying n1 and i think the specters read is likely it

So I looked back at icerint after seeing this, and his read on us was interesting. I think mastin said the exact same thing about me in SU mafia (I was scum). She said I was a sweet talker who didn't want to rock the boat, something like that. I think Errant is similar in that we try to have at least some kind of idea about everyone in the game, and neither of us really tunnel, barring extenuating circumstances.
This observation does make me feel a bit better about the anti side. Not sure about the fire side. Said my dissonance was weird, said they agreed kinda when I questioned it, yet have a similar dissonant read on my slot, which feels like good cop/bad cop, lmao.
- Max

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Also, zakk, I looked it up, it was Frog Mafia. I'm MaxwellPuckett, was scum in that game and you were town. I was only in for about a game day before being lynched so I can see why you don't remember, I just remember having you as a good mislynch opportunity.
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

He was mislynchable town, meaning he's mislynchable as town, meaning one has to look at his motivations instead of just seeing his posts today and thinking 'damn these suck, scum'.
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

well that's exactly what i'm thinking

what EXACTLY is "mislynchable"?

Where is this line of questioning going? You know the definition as well as I do.
- Max

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I know nothing about your relationship with Hiplop tbh. Do you guys have a thing?
- Max

You didn't see him lose his shit for half a page?

Oh, you were talking about this game. And I kinda forgot about that. (i DID skim last day)
nvm
So I gotta ask.. you avoided commenting/asking hip about that vote because he lost his shit at the end of day 1? y/n?
- Max

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Haha says the guy coming back from a prod

So did you have anything to say about my response to you, or were you just asking questions for the sake of it?
- Max

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AM: lane

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^^^^ Max

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I'm pretty sure max/ep are the same person TBH

the same awesome person

I personally think you are town, but Anti isn't convinced.

im not

i think there's something to iec dying n1 and i think the specters read is likely it

why are you beating around the bush here

will talk to max about everyone in the playerlist but i'll still be here.

-EP

[Specter Deflectors]

max what do you think about my apricity suspicion

I don't think the post you quoted is indicative of anything at all, alignment-wise. Yesterday I might've said something about it (waiting for me to respond to an RVS vote is a bit weird) to start discussion but for now I can't really care. Do you have any other material?

And lane, I feel like you're more just showing up to respond to your name being used than actively hunting. Why just wait around for me to catch up and not ask for me to do so? I've been here, chatting, why didn't you press me?
- Max

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why are you beating around the bush here

i'm...not?

you're implying that scum killed iece because iece was pretty much the only person scumreading us D1 and that's why we're scum, is this correct interpretation of what you said

-EP

PEDIT OH DAMN BOTH HEADS ARE HERE MAX TALK TO ME!

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well that's exactly what i'm thinking

what EXACTLY is "mislynchable"?

Where is this line of questioning going? You know the definition as well as I do.
- Max

no, i don't b/c i've never played w/ zakk before

so, it's going to "is zakk really lynchbait?" AND "are spectors just whiteknighting or pulling the vi card for a buddy?"

but you know me. i just love asking pointless questions and wasting everyone's time so i guess let's go w/ that.

You asked me what mislynchable meant, I assumed we were talking about the term.
Why did you have to ask yourself if I'm whiteknighting? You're the one who asked questions about my thoughts on zakk. There's no pressure on the guy, I was content to leave things as they were after I remembered where I'd played with zakk before.

For the record, I don't have a problem with his recent posts, or his lane vote.

And your last line is just you being difficult. Why do you keep taking every little thing I say to you as some sort of personal attack?
- Max

PEdit: IM IN THE PT BRO, LETS BOOGIE

[Specter Deflectors]

Do we really have less than a day left? What the fuck. That's my bad. Dunno where Errant is, they're probably busy, but I haven't actually been that busy so this is kinda on me. It's between lane and SirCakez? Maybe not, depending on how everyone feels, but I'm just looking at votecounts. Gut and previous reads (and lane's play rn) makes me lean voting Cakez there.
I'll be back to read properly and nicely later, once I'm done with ignoring my responsibilities for the night, but consider my vote there.
- Max

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Oh wait I just thought of an excuse. I'm currently modding my first game!

(it totally doesn't take like two minutes to do a votecount and stuff, no sirree)

- Max

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Wgeurts are u srs with that Charmander
Where's Firebringer? P sure he can sniff out others of his kind.
I'm on standby to hammer while I read the game, BTW, so don't worry about that.
- Max

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Actually no. I don't like the Cakez wagon.
VOTE: Lane
- Max

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VOTE: hiplop

With you three added, that's four hip votes? Not enough, but yeah.
I'll still lynch Cakez if we run out of time.
- Max

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Actually hip I'm only doing this because Errant said, and I'm paraphrasing, "would you be okay with lynching hiplop because I kinda would". Ftr I'm an AWESOME hydra partner and I def wouldn't be helping swing this lynch onto you if Errant had said you were town. <3
- Max

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But like, let's chat about lane and why he's scum for you? Cause I really don't think the hiplop lynch is scum-directed, doesn't feel like it. Like maybe it's town directed and a mistake, or maybe it's not, but I don't think scum are swinging this one.
- Max

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AM: Flubbernugget

- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

Actually.. mmmm... damn I keep reading and the more I do the more I'm suspicious of Cakez vs. Lane.
VOTE: Lane
But I'd want to lynch both of them. And not hip he can wait. I... eh. I'm so indecisive when it actually comes time to lynch someone. Lane's behaviour between hiplop and Cakez just has me wondering things. Plus I'm not sure we could even get those last two votes on hip.

PEdit: Yep, 3 hours. Not enough for a hiplop wagon. Lane do me a favour and get back on Cakez it made everything so much easier
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

It's not about me being on it or not, lane. I don't see two other people showing up and agreeing to vote hip in two hours. It seems to be just us. So like either Lane decides to vote himself or we no lynch. (obvs I'll hammer Cakez at deadline if/when it comes to it)
Maybe I'm agonizing too much over a decision that ultimately doesn't matter?
And ya I think your count is right.
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

MMMmmmmm. I'm not sure if I agree but it doesn't look like a lane hammer is happening so maybe I'm cool with that?
I think hiplop just hammered tho. Which.. I'm a bit mad at, because hip, I don't think you CAN mutate? Like why not give that sweet evolution to someone who can use it? Like me? Or EAP, I guess.
- Max

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Hip, why didn't you get me to hammer instead of doing it yourself? You were appealing to me earlier, so it follows that you think I'm town.
Also hi Varsoon! Or not Varsoon. Unsure.
- Max

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Nah, there are two. And I want him to answer.
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

No, you hammered. Lane, Flubber, Percy, Heat, and zakk were all on Cakez when you hammered. Was it really accidentally? Lane had just summarized things on the last page, that lane was at L-2 and Cakez was at L-1. And you knew I would stay to make sure the wagon was going through.
- Max

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Thanks man ^^^^

Kay hip look did you really hammer that accidentally? And lane I don't think you were pushing for a hiplop lynch that hard, when I came off it you said 'eh well we can't do it if Specter isn't there' instead of asking me to get back on it? Also Varsoon can I get your opinion?

PEdit: oh nvm there's the opinion. Sorry Cakez, I should've stayed on hiplop. I'm so damn indecisive. I don't get why hiplop thought that lane would fall for that? Lane had a pretty good grasp on where votes were at the time, and hiplop didn't even say that he had hammered, Lane just assumed that.
- Max

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Don't worry about it Cakez, the only thing I'm good at as town is not getting lynched. Actually lynching scum is too hard.
Lane/hiplop fake hammer thing actually looks skeevy as heck.
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

Pinning what on you? Hiplop's the one responsible for the hammer.
Your line 'I'm trying to get hiplop lynched brah' while your vote was on Cakez, on the other hand, was bleh. If you were really on hiplop more than Cakez, then why not wait longer towards deadline? It doesn't look like you're rushing off anywhere, you could have tried to get me back on with a case, etc. And there actually appear to be plenty of people who would wanna go there now.
- Max

PEdit: Impersonating the mod? It says 'unofficial' at the top of the count.

[Specter Deflectors]

Hm, I just reread and lane did seem to think both he and Cakez were at L-1 at the time.

PEdit: EAP showed up and asked 'who can I vote to avoid a no lynch', then Cakez is hammered by hiplop.
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

I reserve the right to be wishy washy as all hell. It's my best quality.
Lane is town, I'm pretty confident in that now.

Don't remember who said it, sorry, but whoever said that hip hammered because EAP showed up, I feel like you're correct. Gonna chat with EP about some things.
- Max

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This game was advertised as including some kind of Godfather ability. It follows that there are cop powers too. Though yeah, I know that you're talking about Flubber's flipped ability and lane's commute. (Tho apparently that's not where the no result came from)
Hip, Percy said you claimed to have a cool strong role D1. I really don't feel like looking through the thread for it atm, so can you confirm yay or nay on that?
- Max

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I'm getting flashbacks from that game lmao

And ty Persivul. Hip if you are on the lynch wagon tonight, you can still get your power, theoretically?
- Max

PEdit: Hip no don't do the 'Max is town for reasons' game I totally fell for it last time

[Specter Deflectors]

Yeah he was scum there, the situation this time is different though since it's for sure not about ongoing games. Just don't know how to feel about it. I want him to elaborate but at the same time I don't

PEdit: Same lane. My town meta is 'never been mislynched, left alive by scum to mislynch in lylo'.
- Max

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Yo zakk why does 1096 sound town to you? It just looks pretty neutral
- Max

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You are, bro, Errant hasn't posted since the 29th. Unless you're not talking to me.
- Max

PEdit: Really? I'm pretty sure I remember Persivul getting heat Day 1. And he was my go-to vote on Day 2 before I'd properly read, cause of that.

[Specter Deflectors]

Errant hasn't posted since the 29th.

MORE LIKE THE 4TH
cause i'm here now
and reading

-errantparbaobal

[Specter Deflectors]

Right into the signature. Not changing it now.
And zakk I could swing that, maybe. Like I said I want to chat with Errant before putting down votes, because we all know I should not be trusted with them.
Zakk is town too.
- Max

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sorry i was making a joke that max and ep are the same person and got a hydra w/o me ever seeing them talk as huge buddies in other games w/ them. MYSTERIOUS. obv same person

uhm, why hellhound? He doesn't fit in there with them to me

Also this, actually. About hellhound, not about being the same person.

Hip if you wanna know, Errant approached me and asked to hydra. I was flattered, obviously, because Errant just dolled out the praise. I'm still basking in it. Incredible.
- Max

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I'm going to post in hydra pt but that will be all until I do a full reread of this game.
-i just realized that you can shorten my name to ebola

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Hip the way to tell me and Errant apart is that Errant has enough drive and hope for the future to do a full reread
- Max

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^^^^
Suckered by who?
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

Hello. Something serious has happened and I'm not sure if I can handle anything right now, emotionally.
I'm really sorry.

-Errant

if anyone is in my other games then please let them know
i will be V/LA. I don't know how long.

Just picking up.

Percy, you're supposed to claim your ascetic. That's a thing, yeah?
Depends on what his second ability was, though. If it was also negative utility, that's a thing, but somehow I doubt wgeurts gave him the choice of ascetic or miller. He should claim it.
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

Mm... from what we've seen flipped so far, ascetic just seems really anti-town. Doubly-so for a power like asceticizer. It fucks over investigatives hard.
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

Well yeah hip there's that but Cake flipped with the exact same choices. Redirector or Ascetic. It's the asceticizer that gives me pause.
- Max

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Then again, would wgeurts give two townies the exact same ability trees? I don't wanna outguess the mod or anything, but I still wonder.
- Max

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Varsoon
I'll be around later tonight to chat. Just checking in for now.
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

Space Jam is the movie that shaped my generation and there will be no bad-mouthing it.
But also after Percy's last few posts I'm kinda buying it. Play wise I'm not too big a fan of Percy but role-wise and how he's responded to it I'm not really thinking he's scum.
Hiplop, on the other hand, looks bad but for reasons I don't want to push it today.
I kinda would rather look at Heat honestly.
- Max

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that hes your buddy?

Hip I'm offended I may be awful but I'm not THAT awful. Usually.
VOTE: Heat
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

i look fly af tyvm maxwell

I'm sorry man but that hammer was really bad. Sorry I don't make the rules
I'm sure you look beautiful though.
- Max

Pedit: And I was being mock-offended/self-deprecating in a humourous fashion.

[Specter Deflectors]

Well EAP, from a town POV, obv would not make the logical leap that I was somehow their scumbuddy... But I do see what you mean and I wasn't a fan of it either. But I've liked what EAPs done otherwise and I wouldn't feel comfortable lynching them rn. Ya?
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

Whispers fly amongst the crowd.
"Is Errant back? Errant's really back?"
A crackle of light pierces the blanket of clouds.
The crowd collectively recoils in horrified excitement.
A silhouette- no one can really see, their eyes are blinded-
And then the figure became clear.
Errant was back.

[Specter Deflectors]

Think lane commute is non align indic, don't see why it's a topic of conversation.
I like a Heat vote honestly
There's so little to say
I don't think hiplop is scum
Ooh max voted heat. Unsure about the Persivul claim but I do think playwise is pretty scummy.
Okay so you know how I was gonna do that full reread and talk about it in the PT
I'm going to start that soon. Because mafia was pretty much on hold for the last few days.

-EP

[Specter Deflectors]

Yay! My better half is here! And they agree with my Heat vote, that makes me feel better about it.
I'll let Errant answer why they plan to post their reread in our PT first.
- Max

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Varsoon, between your two choices I'd rather take Hellhound, but I think Heat's the better choice. Will talk with Errant about it once they've reread.
- Max

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Any reason we can't get your reread thoughts in thread here ep?

yes.
1. I can keep it stream of consciousness in the hydra thread.
2. I will summarize everything that I have inthread when I am finished with my reread. That way I can have my whole thoughts in one place.\

-EP

[Specter Deflectors]

Yeah he was scum there, the situation this time is different though since it's for sure not about ongoing games. Just don't know how to feel about it. I want him to elaborate but at the same time I don't

PEdit: Same lane. My town meta is 'never been mislynched, left alive by scum to mislynch in lylo'.
- Max

Can you explain this more? Explain why him doing the exact same thing as scum, doesn't make you question him whatsoever. What's the difference and why are not even a little concerned?

It wasn't the exact same thing. The earlier situation involved a modkill and lots of things we couldn't talk about. I thought we were both in a secret but really he was just using it to get me to trust him. In this game I have no idea what hip is talking about, but I'll wait for him to explain. I'm a bit concerned but not overly so.
- Max

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Aight, Errant said we should claim so I will. Might move things along too? Specifically I'm telling this to EAP.
Errant and I were given a 1-shot cop that we used on hiplop last night after his quickhammer. We got a town result on him. Not 'our target is town' but 'hiplop is town'. So, this game was advertised as having a Godfather-like ability, but considering hiplop has only mutated once, I think the chances of him having that ability were low. So... not a confirmation, but I think there's a good chance hip is town.
I also don't think scum Persivul would have approached his claim like he had. So that looks town to me as well.
lane I still think is town, it'd be hard for me to imagine him as scum at this point.
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

Also, someone should have gotten something from me.

Glad you two put that to good use, EP and Max

Already figured it was you, since no one else indicated they'd given it to us, but good to have the confirmation. Would have preferred catching scum with it, though.

Also Max, you said you don't think scum Persi would've claimed like he did. Could you elaborate a little?

His claim was messy, and he didn't preemptively claim. He would have known it's negative utility and that it would have eventually gotten out. If scum he took no measures to play it in the traditionally 'towny' way and honestly his explanation behind it has town motives when you think about the choices he had. Like, his ascetic would have no purpose if he claimed it, that sort of thing. I don't agree personally, but I can see why he made that decision. Plus, I kinda believed him when he talked about its use as an untargetable protective. (via redirect)

ok yeah ready for this
VOTE: eap

So I'm still not onboard with this wagon really but I want to take the hammer for it if it comes to that. Looking at deadline I think it has? I'm not sure on the count but looking at player sentiments I'm pretty sure we're at Percy/hiplop/EAP for 'people who the town wants to lynch' and since I have more reasons to townread Percy and hiplop (admitting they're mechanical reasons), EAP is the best choice there. Plus Errant is kinda leaning this way.
- Max

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AM: Heat

Also I wanna coordinate on an AM vote before hammering.

wguerts, can we get a votecount?

[Specter Deflectors]

I got am'd yesterday. Did not visit flubber

Really doubt there's an ability that fakes a result like that, and we already have confirmation that cop results at least include the name in the result.
Lying EAP or scumlop. I had the same thought about baiting investigatives when Errant and I were talking about godfather possibilities, and the scum utility of that bad quickhammer. If hip IS a godfather that would be something I could see him doing, but not sure about that in a game where the existence of godfather-like abilities is a public thing.
!V you've got more investigatives then?
- Max

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i didnt know about the godfather thing

didn't know i couldnt action am'd

i townslipped get over it

Get over it? Hip is it really that strange that I'm tryna figure this shit out?
- Max

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BTW Hip can you tell me about the 'townpoints' for 'reasons' from earlier?
- Max

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You can't? Even tho it's just townpoints and not 'for sure town' or 'very probably town'?
And I don't see how it points to why Varsoon is lying.. if Varsoon is lying it's cause he's scum and needs you lynched to save himself. Though it'd only buy him a day.
Not sure I understand. Does it actually relate to ongoing? If it does, you don't need to respond to that question.
Like so far you've not been clear on the votecount and accidentally hammered, not know how AM worked despite the numerous times it was explained (twice by me I'm p sure), and not known there was a Godfather ability. (granted, I ALSO didn't know this last one until Errant brought it up and I went looking.) I'm looking for town hiplop and I can't find what I remember.
- Max

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Percy where are ya
- Max

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nope. Not ongoing. Diff than last time ^_^ . townpoints are for purely mechanical reasons. I'll tell you that much. I'm scumreading you for play, but mechanically i think you're town.

this is my most town game ever. you were in midsummers. this isn't that lop.

Come on hip you must be self-aware enough to see how your play looks rn. You were plenty town in Disney Villain Upick, how are you more town here? I actually just went back and compared those two games and rn you look more like scummy Seniors than righteous town hiplop.
I'm not buying what you're selling.
Incidentally why're you scumreading me for play?
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

max

I was your TOP townread in midsummers

dont you scummy seniors me

Early game you were my top scumread. Your point? Late-game in UPick you were a townread.
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

I got wagonned like crazy in disney????

Fair point here tho, I was remembering late-game more than early game.
Ignoring that, and looking at your play instead of sentiment towards you, this still looks more like your scumgame to me. Mostly I'm baffled about how YOU believe you look town in this game. Let's focus on that?
- max

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i intentionally play that was as scum

ep knows i'm town.

if he doesn't, hes scum or paranoid

this is the towniest game ive ever played easy

No, they don't. Reason Errant and I had you as town after our result despite the Godfather thing was cause you've only mutated once.
I'm still not seeing how this game is so towny for you? BTW you haven't answered why my play is scummy for you.
If you intentionally did that as scum, I'm supposed to believe you're not doing the same now because.... what?
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

because errant and you should be townreading me

Wait man you're 'scumreading us for play' cause we're not townreading you?
I'm torn between thinking 'there's no way scum would insist that he looks towny when he doesn't so blatantly' and 'scumlop is going full refuge in audacity'.
Then I looked up the latter phrase and decided it was a bit too extreme for this situation. Still though
- Max

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just a heads up

that varsoon has never townread me ever

Why does this matter? One of you is confscum. Varsoon apparently has a result on you. Fypov that hydra is scum, and from his pov you're scum.
- Max

PEdit: Oh lol

[Specter Deflectors]

and is literal scum

Now now

[Specter Deflectors]

he was scum way before that

is what im saying u dork

You're a dork
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

That peaceful cycle would have been like a redo, if it were not for the mutation mechanic.
I think the votecount's correct, otherwise there would just be one error instead of two 'errors' coming together to make double-slot Firebringer.
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

Why would it be?
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

Lane just said he only used his commute once, didn't he? I don't think he used it tonight. Lane, can you clarify what you meant by the other night?
- Max

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Zakk, that's a nice gathering of information there tbh.
But EAP hit on the head why the massclaim is actually useful... I don't think this setup is possible to break just by claiming. We've already had instances of people having the same or similar possible mutations.
I'm not gonna claim without checking in with Errant about it but I'm on board. I'd like to claim later rather than sooner tho.
- Max

PEdit: S'what I thought. So we don't have a conftown. But we could still get one.

[Specter Deflectors]

I really don't see scum nking last night, either. Odd number of players and all that thanks to the lack of lynch.
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

Are we still doing that massclaim, cause Errant's onboard with it and I also don't think there was a nokill.
Or maybe we just wait for whoever has the relevant report/protection to out it?
- Max

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hiplop if he's lying then he's scum. I don't see why you're so pissed.
I don't remember you having a guilty on EAP? Am I really forgetting that?
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

You're not helping me at all here. It's your word against his obviously and unlike either of you, I don't have any certainties about the other's alignment. I have a town result on hiplop in a game that has a godfather-like ability. That's it. It makes me lean hiplop town but I feel lik you're being purposely unhelpful because you're mad at EAP or something.
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

You're not helping me at all here. It's your word against his obviously and unlike either of you, I don't have any certainties about the other's alignment. I have a town result on hiplop in a game that has a godfather-like ability. That's it.

It makes me lean hiplop town but I feel lik you're being purposely unhelpful because you're mad at EAP or something.

- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

Do I have to yell and scream and swear to get you to listen to me, hip? Cause I don't really want to, and tbh I'm not angry, so it'd be fake, I'm just frustrated cause if you're town I wanna work with you but I feel like you don't want to.
You're confscum to EAP. EAP is confscum to you. That's done, we're past that, let's move on?
Goodnight btw I'll talk more tomorrow.
Firebringer I'm really leaning the opposite, why are you going with EAP over hiplop rn?
- MAx

[Specter Deflectors]

Anybody think hiplop and EAP are both scum or both town?

What? EAP has a guilty on hiplop. One of them HAS to be scum. Possibly both are scum but I really doubt it.
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

Since no one has said anything about the reason for the lack of a kill last night, guess it won't happen. That's fine too.
Firebringer you're gonna need more of reason than 'because they're scum'. Can you quote why you have that read? And explain why hiplop's play rn is towny and EAP's is scummy?
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

VOTE: hiplop
That's L-1. Sorry I can't talk it's stupid late rn
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

From what I understand of hiplop's flip, he didn't have the ability to visit anyone. So there were no redirector shenanigans. EAP received a PM that stated that hiplop visited Flubber last night and it was fake. Either EAP was lying or scum somehow have the ability to write fake tracker results. Forgive me if I'm not seeing the latter.
We're massclaiming today. Fully. zakk, you've partially claimed, so you should go first. EAP will go second last, and Errant and I will go last, because we have a result. Errant is pretty busy so you may or may not see them this game day.
Hiplop is gonna freaking kill me if we lose this one.
Apricity why are you not suspicious of EAP at all here? zakk why are you saying 'wtf mod' when you were probably roleblocked? Or scum had a strongman shot? The latter is much more likely.
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

Also, second EAP! The flavour is fantastic, wgeurts. <3
Thinking about it, zakk doesn't really need to go first. A lot of us have claimed abilities already. Thinking about it more, EAP should be claiming first.
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

zakk, I also totally wanna lynch EAP, but if we fucked up and they ARE town then scum have enough players to turbolynch probably. There should be 3 of them this game. I mean it's a low chance that relies on you and EAP both being town but still. Eh saying it it doesn't seem likely.
EAP, if your full claim isn't in your next post I'm totally down for turbolynching you. With love, of course. I don't know why I feel like being so threatening today. Dunno why I'm impatient either. Eh. Things aren't great.
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

How do you forget to read the flip? That's really scum honestly. yesterday was ENTIRELY the EAP vs hiplop dichotomy and you didn't read hiplop's flip? You should claim now, yeah.
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

I feel you on that.

And that's why you didn't use it last night? Because lylo?
Claim the mutations that you had but didn't choose as well.
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

Was gladiator also the thing you gave up for the cop inventor?
Why'd you pick the loved inventor when every day from now until the end is going to be lylo? Gladiator has a use.
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

You meant gladiator, not governor there?
And thanks for the full claim there.
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

Godfather-like ability is definitely not the same as whatever 'framer' power EAP thinks is happening.
I also still think EAP looks town but I'm finding that really hard to reconcile with the mechanical reasons for them being scum. But damn zakk 'if hes not scum we deserve to lose'??
- Max

[Specter Deflectors]

mod, if this head (EP) doesn't post anything of content by end of tomorrow, then it might be best to talk with Max about replacing me out of this game.

[Specter Deflectors]

Later today I'm gonna take some time to go over that EAP claim. I've only read this page but it was certainly informative.

And 597 does look like a Weak crumb in hindsight. I've never made one, but I'd count it as a good crumb for use if you'd hypothetically died and we were looking for it. I don't understand why you didn't use the Hider like an investigate, though. I mean, what was the point of hiding behind us when we'd just lynched hiplop, making you look really, really scum? I just don't see scum nightkilling you in that scenario, if you're town.

I don't have time now, but I'll be back later today to sort this out. Having an awesome day because I just got back home from eight months of schooling only to find that our dogsitter may have brought bedbugs into the house. Incredible. Posting this now because our darling mod prodded me. <3

For the public record, since Errant brought it up, if they find they don't have time for this game right now I'm fine with replacing in as myself for the remainder of it.

Oh, and I'm totally hammering today. I'm going to do it and dammit I'm going to be

forthright

about it this time.
- Max