(1765) Star Wars: The Force Awakens [D5]

Keyser Söze · Post Post #1125 (ISO) » Thu Mar 17, 2016 7:52 am

I seriously thought I was going to be N3's NK. Outside of me, I think Venmar's role has the best chance of being NON-affiliated with any scum faction. Why would xRECKONERx give scum a scum-censor? It feels more logical to put it in the hands of a TOWN/Resistance player up against multiple scum (3 scum flips so far, out of possible 5). I did not expect the Gorkington NK (I town-read him but felt he could have been a SK-type role). I thought scum were going to target me > Venmar > TheTrollie > Gorkington > TheLoneWolf > Extrapolated Eagle.

TheTrollie · Post Post #1126 (ISO) » Thu Mar 17, 2016 9:01 am

I agree the Gork kill is pretty weird, unless they thought he was faking a 1-shot modifier
I don't see how you were a better kill target than me. I don't see how Venmar is a better kill target than me.

Venmar · Post Post #1127 (ISO) » Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:07 am

I think we should lynch Eagle. Who's with me.

TheLoneWolf · Post Post #1128 (ISO) » Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:51 pm

Key didn't get shot because he's scum,

That's the explanation here. also this constant "why would there be a scum censor!???" Is some bs reasoning for his N2 (or was it N3?) watch target.

I forgot Eagle's claim one sec

TheLoneWolf · Post Post #1129 (ISO) » Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:52 pm

oh Eagle has to claim his roleblock target

That's what has to happen

TheLoneWolf · Post Post #1130 (ISO) » Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:54 pm

Also Trollie I hope you targeted Venmar to show Key's claim is BS

something tells me that didn't happen.

Also we know that Key Town/Eagle Scum is NOT a possibility because Keyser

claimed a result

and was therefore not roleblocked.

So Eagle scum implies Key scum

TheTrollie · Post Post #1131 (ISO) » Thu Mar 17, 2016 5:26 pm

wolfscum stfu

Extrapolated Eagle · Post Post #1132 (ISO) » Thu Mar 17, 2016 6:51 pm

I blocked wolf.

TheLoneWolf · Post Post #1133 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2016 2:57 am

You're kidding right Trollie

TheLoneWolf · Post Post #1134 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2016 2:58 am

The kill breaks this game open Trollie wake the fuck up.

If I'm scum you're saying that I either left a CLAIMED WATCHER OR ROLEBLOCKER alive and killed a one shot vig instead

That's bullshit and you know it

TheLoneWolf · Post Post #1135 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2016 3:07 am

Keyser claim is BS and if you think I'm scum with him then us not killing Eagle (who is the least town person by day play in the game right now) then you've fallen far

TheTrollie · Post Post #1136 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2016 4:38 am

confused

In post 1134, TheLoneWolf wrote:The kill breaks this game open Trollie wake the fuck up.

If I'm scum you're saying that I either left a CLAIMED WATCHER OR ROLEBLOCKER alive and killed a one shot vig instead

That's bullshit and you know it

How is that different for any other scum-player theory?

In post 1135, TheLoneWolf wrote:Keyser claim is BS and if you think I'm scum with him then us not killing Eagle (who is the least town person by day play in the game right now) then you've fallen far

confused...i think maybe i know what you mean but not really sure

TheTrollie · Post Post #1137 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2016 4:40 am

unfortunately I kinda believe Eagle so I guess we lynch Key or Venmar

TheTrollie · Post Post #1138 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2016 4:41 am

In post 1130, TheLoneWolf wrote:Also we know that Key Town/Eagle Scum is NOT a possibility because Keyser claimed a result and was therefore not roleblocked.

I also dont get this

sorry...long night, so maybe I'm just not all here today

Keyser Söze · Post Post #1139 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2016 4:58 am

Do not

use WIFOM to attack:

In post 1128, TheLoneWolf wrote:Key didn't get shot because he's scum,

Neither WIFOM to defend yourself:

In post 1134, TheLoneWolf wrote:If I'm scum you're saying that I either left a CLAIMED WATCHER OR ROLEBLOCKER alive and killed a one shot vig instead

Otherwise what you say loses all credibility.

In post 1132, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:I blocked wolf.

What is your current TheLoneWolf-read?

TheLoneWolf · Post Post #1140 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2016 5:42 am

It's not WIFOM, it's terrible scum play and goes against all notions of reality
You're just dismissing examining the night kill because you made it.

Yeah Key scum is very clear now. I'll explain what I meant later Trollie I'll speak nice and slow

Keyser Söze · Post Post #1141 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:00 am

In post 1140, TheLoneWolf wrote:Yeah Key scum is very clear now.

Nothing is clear. You keep saying everything is simple and clear, and that the game "is way too easy" - it isn't mate.

In post 1140, TheLoneWolf wrote:You're just dismissing examining the night kill because you made it.

Show me where I 'dismissed examining the night kill'. This is a miss-rep, I intend to go over D1 - D3 and N1 - N3

thoroughly

.

TheLoneWolf · Post Post #1142 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:17 am

In post 1138, TheTrollie wrote:
In post 1130, TheLoneWolf wrote:Also we know that Key Town/Eagle Scum is NOT a possibility because Keyser claimed a result and was therefore not roleblocked.

I also dont get this

sorry...long night, so maybe I'm just not all here today

Ok So....

If Eagle is Scum then he is a roleblocker right?

IF Eagle scum is a roleblocker who does it make the most sense for him to roleblock if he's going to leave them alive?

The Watcher. He's the only person alive with an active ability that can catch scum, and there were no claimed protective roles that needed to be blocked either.

Keyser did NOT claim to be roleblocked.

Therefore, if Eagle is scum, then Keyser HAS to be as well.

But this is pointless to elaborate on because you believe Eagle's claim bc of flavor.

TheLoneWolf · Post Post #1143 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:24 am

In post 1141, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1140, TheLoneWolf wrote:Yeah Key scum is very clear now.

Nothing is clear. You keep saying everything is simple and clear, and that the game "is way too easy" - it isn't mate.

In post 1140, TheLoneWolf wrote:You're just dismissing examining the night kill because you made it.

Show me where I 'dismissed examining the night kill'. This is a miss-rep, I intend to go over D1 - D3 and N1 - N3
thoroughly
.

Ok, let's see your analysis.

Here's mine:

Which SCUM pairings make sense to kill Gorkington?

Trollie- Town Useless Cop
Venmar-Town Useless Censor
Gorkington-Town Claimed 1-shot Vig
Eagle- Town ROLEBLOCKER (powerful role. Would be effective guilty if successful and no kills)
Keyser-Town WATCHER (powerful role, catches scum and verifies power claims).
TheLoneWolf- Town Useless Neighbor

Ok

Now.

Scum get to kill someone last night.

If I'm scum, who am I paired with that Gorkington makes sense?

The two most POWERFUL ROLES-Watcher and roleblocker are the only kills that make sense because night play is important.

LoneWolf+EAgle (since you can't implicate yourself) has to kill YOU Keyser, right? OR at least roleblock you. But neither happened.

Eagle+Keyser- the two powerful roles- get to choose who to kill. On the offchance Gorkginton's map ability gave him another kill or something, thats the kill that makes sense.

Venmar+ Keyser- Possibly would kill gorkington because Eagle is a good mislynch target (Look at Venmar's proposed lynch for today).

Also Keyser has been soft pushign Venmar as confirmed town ebcause of census ability since yesterday and watching him for less than plausible reasons over obvious watch targets. Keyser's N2 Watch is in particularly questionable.

Venmar+Eagle - Would roleblock Keyser or kill him. No way they let a Watcher live who could force a 1v1 situation in LyLo. No way they would give him free information.

Venmar+Trollie - ???? Would kill One fo the real power roles left and power lynch someone because this team would win the game easily. Obv least likely due to Trollie's play.

I am most comfortable with a Kesyer lynch because of the Venmar+Keyser potential team. His claim is also the shoddiest given his watch targets. Even his result on camn visiting RC screams inside info of what the scumteam actually has been doing with their Powers that haven't been reavealed.

Venmar · Post Post #1144 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:46 am

Holy fuck I am restraining myself from being rude right now but I cannot fucking believe that you idiots think there's 2 mafia players left. SPOILER ALERT, I DON'T THINK A 4-MAN MAFIA WITH A 5TH TRAITOR IS BALANCED OR OK.

Venmar · Post Post #1145 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:49 am

BIG QUESTION SMART GUYS:

WHERE DID THE SECOND NIGHT-KILL COME FROM ON NIGHT 1 IF GORK WAS ONLY 1-SHOT? WHERE DID THAT KILL GO N2?

SPOILER ALERT, NOT POSSIBLE WITHOUT SK OR SUCH SO STOP HUNTING INERACTIOSN THAT PROBABLY DONT EXIST

Keyser Söze · Post Post #1146 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:06 am

In post 1142, TheLoneWolf wrote:If Eagle is Scum then he is a roleblocker right?

If Eagle is scum he could be scum-anything.

In post 1142, TheLoneWolf wrote:IF Eagle scum is a roleblocker who does it make the most sense for him to roleblock if he's going to leave them alive?

Again... Eagle is not a confirmed roleblocker.

In post 1142, TheLoneWolf wrote:Keyser did NOT claim to be roleblocked.

Therefore, if Eagle is scum, then Keyser HAS to be as well.

You are basing your argument on Eagle being the scum-roleblocker as a fact, which it isn't. Me not being roleblocked does not confirm me as scum, I do not understand why you are pushing this as conclusive proof.

In post 1143, TheLoneWolf wrote:Ok, let's see your analysis.

I'll do my Night 3 speculation this weekend.

The Gorkington NK admittedly made no sense to me (there were 3 more likely NK's IMO).

I'll address and tear apart your "Venmar+Keyser potential team" theory this weekend too.

TheLoneWolf · Post Post #1147 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:59 am

hmm I feel pretty dumb now Venmar you're right.

So uh

Its pretty safe to say that Keyser is just regular scum then amirite.

TheLoneWolf · Post Post #1148 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:03 am

To be honest I still don't know what the hell the missing kill is about.

I almost want to say that the scum had a double NK power one night, because there's no evidence of Sk besides. It might be just some weird survivor or flavor 3rd party that has niche win conditions.

If there are two kills still going out and they both killed Gork, yeah BS.

I can see scum killing Gork thinking hes a SK

But the SK wouldn't shoot Gork no way.

Also are we ever going to claim map movement? Seems like that mechanic has done jackall

TheLoneWolf · Post Post #1149 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:12 am

It is actually clearer now that you mention it has to be 1 scum left Venmar:

A solo scum HAS to kill the watcher at this point, otherwise he risks getting seen and putting himself in a 1v1 situation when he has TWO days left to survive.

Now its possible Eagle is the last group scum and he roleblocked me and nokilled in order to frame me. And when I flip town tomorrow he can go "oh who knows!?"

Which would make Keyser the SK that shot Gorkington... yeah that doesn't make too much sense either.

Goin with my theory of Keyser is last scum and theres a weird 3rd party