Open 627: Mexican Standoff [endgame]

[Burning Crystal]

I think that's a mischarachterization. Ranger appeared to be pretty certain Kop was scum. Kop flipped town. Same for Almost50. Ranger's naturally going to rework their reads. I would be more concerned if Ranger kept on the same path.

I am more concerned with KT's "rallying the troops" kind of post.

[acryon]

I think that's a mischarachterization. Ranger appeared to be pretty certain Kop was scum. Kop flipped town. Same for Almost50. Ranger's naturally going to rework their reads. I would be more concerned if Ranger kept on the same path.

I am more concerned with KT's "rallying the troops" kind of post.

I think there is a difference between a natural reworking of reads and immediately changing tune after the first couple posts of the day, although there's a reason I'm still on Anen and not Ranger.

Spots like KT's are terrible, and I honestly wish there was a broader definition of what defines trolling, because KT's presence in this game makes it worse for every person who is town, because who knows if they are town or scum? They don't say anything, just make noise.

[Burning Crystal]

I could go for KT on that basis. I just am really perturbed at why this Anen wagon never gets traction

and no one says he's town anymore

. If he's town, I would expect some jumping or sudden revelations in an awkward attempt to get on his wagon, naked sheeping, or weak attacks/questions to attempt to move that way. Instead, we got a lot of ignoring us.

[acryon]

I could go for KT on that basis. I just am really perturbed at why this Anen wagon never gets traction

and no one says he's town anymore

. If he's town, I would expect some jumping or sudden revelations in an awkward attempt to get on his wagon, naked sheeping, or weak attacks/questions to attempt to move that way. Instead, we got a lot of ignoring us.

Exactly. I have no idea why it hasn't been able to move forward. He is great at just talking a lot which I think scares people off of it, even though they don't really feel he is town.

[davesaz]

I'm thinking that I want to review MKA's reads before proceeding.

[acryon]

I'm thinking that I want to review MKA's reads before proceeding.

Keep in mind they apparently didn't know Kuroi claimed jailer and were essentially absent for much of the day yesterday.

[Aneninen]

Just dropping by to remind everyone.
BurningCrystal promised there would be a VCA Today because they had never done it before Day3.
Instead of a VCA we can see them tunnelling me futher.

I wonder why anyone thinks they're town.

[davesaz]

I'm thinking that I want to review MKA's reads before proceeding.

Keep in mind they apparently didn't know Kuroi claimed jailer and were essentially absent for much of the day yesterday.

Someone thought they were kill worthy.

[Aneninen]

Just talking out loud here, but we have a cop somewhere with two innocents. That gives us 3 confirmed towns. With 2 NKs, I almost wonder if its worth them claiming today to make our discussions a lot clearer while we still have townies alive. Someone feel free to tell me why this is bad, because I haven't thought it through TBH.

Mobilepost.
Acryon could be Godfather/alphaWW

[Aneninen]

Probably it's Setup 6 or 10

[Aneninen]

Although I don't have time to post Ive read Day2 especially latepart.
It's BC+Ranger and Acryon+???
Yeah I think I was wrong about zhat Acryon+BC yesterday

[acryon]

Probably it's Setup 6 or 10

Can't be 6. 5, 10, or 12.

[Aneninen]

Sorry misread. Mobile and not wearing my glasses.
I meant 5 or 10.

[Aneninen]

Fck it
10 of 12
I can't see those cells there well either.

[Burning Crystal]

Just dropping by to remind everyone.
BurningCrystal promised there would be a VCA Today because they had never done it before Day3.
Instead of a VCA we can see them tunnelling me futher.

I wonder why anyone thinks they're town.

Post 1117

Die scum.

[Burning Crystal]

You're pandering pretty hard to Acryon and Ranger going after each other, hoping that continues.

[davesaz]

Is 1117 the right post?

[Burning Crystal]

Yeah Anen's basically trying to throw mud saying I haven't done a VCA.

I have said that to do a VCA requires a scum flip. We don't have one.

It's something people in my games should know by now and shows that Anen is just throwing shit.

~Titus

[acryon]

Is 1117 the right post?

It's 1177.

[Xtoxm]

As for the other team...I want Xtoxm to claim. His alignment depends on his roleclaim.

pretty sure it doesn't

you're probably just scum though

should be setup 10 or 12

we can still win with crosskills

chilled and acryon look town, with chilled the stronger read

if no ones ccing dave for cop

that leaves anen/ranger/kt+bc, bc most likely sk? and needs to be worked with

[Ranger]

Do I need to spell out the acryon-chilledtea interactions on page 58?
Because I can

not

be the only one seeing their ridiculously-fake exchange.

Aneninen is a player being voted by both scumteams, in this case, Burning Crystal on one scumteam and acryon on the other. He's town.
davesaz might not be mod-confirmed town via the roles in the game (it's possible, albeit improbable, Almost50 was roleblocked), but I'm pretty sure he's town anyway.

That leaves {Xtoxm, KainTepes} for the last scum slot.
It's really that simple.

[Ranger]

The game is very clearly setup 12 because chilledtea is pretty blatantly broadcasting, "oh, yeah, I'm scum and I know the setup", and via the posts, very obviously it's 12.
Setup 10 is impossible, because

1 Town Jailer, 1 Town Cop, 6 Town Citizen, 1 Town Weak Bodyguard, 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 SK

...It has 3 scum and chilledtea is acting confidently in there being four.

[Ranger]

Still think that Adenine is town.

This half-clears Aneninen (maybe full-clears, depending on whether Almost50 was shot or suicided; impossible to know the difference), because Aneninen would

not

shoot someone hard-townreading them.

The most likely person to have killed them is Burning Crystal.

[Ranger]

So, my final scum team prediction is Ranger, chilled & KT. (IF Kop flips town).

Assuming Almost50 did not suicide (which is not impossible), and also did not correctly protect (which is not impossible), then this provides a nice incentive for a scumteam including chilledtea to nightkill him.

[Ranger]

Also, this is why I want an Xtoxm claim.
Bluntly...if he's the tracker, he's town because I'd believe a tracker claim from him; it'd look like a deliberate attempt to lay low, a la Metal Gear Solid.

If he's

not

the tracker, Xtoxm's the fourth scum because if he's

not

laying low because of a power role (and he's definitely not a cop), then the alternative explanation is...he's scum.