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Post Post #2300 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 6:33 am

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I've started a Specialized Transmuted build. I'm currently undecided on whether to Focus and ban another school.
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Post Post #2301 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 6:37 am

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Focused specialist, or nah?


I mean Master Specialist, or nah?
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Post Post #2302 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 6:40 am

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Master Specialist is currently part of the build. But I'm considering whether it's worth taking a Level 5 bonus feat over it. Paragonstic Apostle and Fatespinner are also part of the build.
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Post Post #2303 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 6:52 am

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I've decided not to take Master Specialist.
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Post Post #2304 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 11:29 am

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I'm interested to see how your build turns out.

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Post Post #2305 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 12:30 pm

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Did Conman lock in Cleric?
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Post Post #2306 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 12:31 pm

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Also, rip nature alliance. ):
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Post Post #2307 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 12:51 pm

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Clerics can be nature people.
“Why was I chosen?'
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Post Post #2308 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 2:33 pm

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I'm gonna be some or other form of cleric, yes. I still plan on tying nature stuff into it even if it comes at the cost of being horribly inefficient because RP bruh.
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Post Post #2309 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 2:43 pm

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wooooo ConMan locking in

don't worry ConMan; cleric class is so strong that you can choose suboptimal builds for RP reasons and still easily pull your weight


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Post Post #2310 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 2:48 pm

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In post 2309, FakeGod wrote:don't worry ConMan; cleric class is so strong that you can choose suboptimal builds for RP reasons and still easily pull your weight

What about Wizard?
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Post Post #2311 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 2:53 pm

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same thing for wizard
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Post Post #2312 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 3:14 pm

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I might specialize in Illusion.
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Post Post #2313 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 3:15 pm

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I love how nobody is considering as many choices as I am.
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Post Post #2314 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 3:16 pm

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Or Necromancy, but Necromancy is :/
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Post Post #2315 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 3:17 pm

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One thing I'd love to do is specialize in enchantment or illusion and have terribly low stats except INT (and maybe DEX for AC and CHA for checks like that) and just only work on fucking with people.

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Start with 20 INT for a starting DC 21
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Post Post #2316 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 3:19 pm

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Max 18 I believe.
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Post Post #2317 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 3:28 pm

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Nah Brian go transmutation. Help me carry the cabbage.

FG, I'd argue that if you build wizard wrong you won't pull your weight. For example, Who4. If you build it kinda right but suboptimal, sure you're fine, but if you do things completely wrong you'll end up cabbage.
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Post Post #2318 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 3:35 pm

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In post 2315, DiamondSentinel wrote:One thing I'd love to do is specialize in enchantment or illusion and have terribly low stats except INT (and maybe DEX for AC and CHA for checks like that) and just only work on fucking with people.

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Start with 20 INT for a starting DC 21

1. You can't start with int above 18 as Brian said.
2. 20 int would make starting DC be 16. DC=10+spell level+int mod
Starting spell level is 1, int mod at 20 int is 5.
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Post Post #2319 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 3:39 pm

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That's still pretty high. Higher if you're a gnome and/or have spell focus.
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Post Post #2320 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 4:28 pm

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In post 2318, Who wrote:
In post 2315, DiamondSentinel wrote:One thing I'd love to do is specialize in enchantment or illusion and have terribly low stats except INT (and maybe DEX for AC and CHA for checks like that) and just only work on fucking with people.

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Start with 20 INT for a starting DC 21

1. You can't start with int above 18 as Brian said.
2. 20 int would make starting DC be 16. DC=10+spell level+int mod
Starting spell level is 1, int mod at 20 int is 5.

Oh yes, I forgot mod is n-10/2. That's the source of my error. But yes, start with gnome for +2 racial.
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Post Post #2321 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 4:31 pm

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Gnome's get +1 racial. The +2 is for their saves. They can still get spell focus (illusion) for another +1.
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Post Post #2322 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 4:51 pm

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Oh, okee
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Post Post #2323 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 9:05 pm

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In post 2308, ConManMick wrote:Also I need to build up a family tree for the Holz family so I don't have to retcon it every time I wanna play a new one of them. I feel like I'll hide one in there who is a total black sheep relative to the family

This reminds me that I need to go back and finish my Delacroix backstory.
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Post Post #2324 (ISO) » Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:33 am

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I used to make my characters siblings but I'm done with that now.
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I just realized a pun I was not intending.
All Whos were Who-mans (Humans). All Nos were No-mes (Gnomes).

Saag is a changeling who pretends to be a half-orc to avoid the existential horror of being judged by other people for who he actually is. There are no puns.
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