In post 536, pistachi0n wrote:I think the whole thing with FA was likely a scum gambit. It's out of character, she's been very composed in every game I've played with her.
Postie is a sheep.
The Creature wagon was terrible.
VOTE: Frozen Angel
And what do you think of the LovelyGiant wagon?
In post 541, pistachi0n wrote:You're right, I wasn't paying enough attention. I see there are no cops and I feel stupid.
I still don't think FA surviving will clear her
.
Who said that FA surviving would clear her?
And what is the point of 545? You seem pressured and nervous, whats up?
Imo 541 is a scum slip, I am getting a feeling that its coming from a scum who is planning not to kill you, and was trying to get Town PRs to focus on you.
If he didn't like the creature wagon, why didn't he vote for the LovelyGiant wagon (that would have put LovelyGiant at L-1) or atleast talk about it?
Lets get some votes here.
VOTE: pistachi0n
2) So pistachi0n was pressured and nervous wrt the two wagons, and she avoided mentioning about the LovelyGiant wagon, called Creature's wagon as terrible and voted for FA (who claimed Macho Tracker). I wanted to know why she is pressured and nervous wrt the wagons and why she didn't mention about the LovelyGiant wagon. This everyone knows by now.
3) But what I also wanted to do was check how many scums are there in the two major wagons.
4) My thinking before the unvote (525) was that LovelyGiant was at L-1 and if Lowell (or any player not on LovelyGiant's wagon for that matter) is scum with him, then they would most likely buss their buddy to end the day early and get town cred.
5) So I unvoted to see such a reaction (and still make sure that we don't end the day early).
In comes Mr. Lowell with his 530. Filled with bussing emotions and another mediocre reason to vote for LovelyGiant.
6) I knew that you guys would brush this aside because of my earlier theory on him, so I wanted to see if there are other buddies to LovelyGiant.
7) Just then FA unvotes <3 (533) Which is proof enough for me that she is town this game.
8) As soon as pistachi0n voted for FA after ignoring the LovelyGiant wagon (536). I was sure that we got a scum, but I wanted to build a case on her.
9) 571 was meant to get a reaction from scum pistachi0n and 671 + 672 is just that.
Reasons for why Pistachi0n is individually scum:
A) She comes into the game after a long while and votes for a claimed Town PR while ignoring two players who have been scummy (536).
B) She wants FA lynched because scums could leave her alive to screw with us, and wants a cop on her if she is not lynched (539). Not only is she trying to get rid of a info based Town PR, but is trying to get other info roles to target her instead.
C) She was pressured and nervous when Postie (who she has called a sheep in 536 questions her), and says that 'FA surviving would not clear her' when no one brought that topic up. Which implies that she is thinking that FA will not die in the night. How can she know that for sure?
I am sure there are lots of scummy people in the game that FA can track if her claim is true. Then in that case if she is town, she is more likely to be killed than not. Unless the scums have a role that can stop her from tracking. And it seems pistachi0n is aware of a scum role blocker, or wants to lynch FA instead because such a role doesn't exist with the scums. Eitherway she has more info and is nervous and pressured because of that. Otherwise why would you be pressured by a player who you think is a sheep?
D) After I pointed this out, instead of agreeing that she looked scummy and that she still thinks FA is scum (or votes for one of the major wagons). Which Imo a town pistachi0n would have done. She votes for me?
Like this is the height of scumminess!
E) If you check her ISO, you will see that she voted for BlueTrin in RVS, then voted me for a reason that was already answered in the game (121), then she supported n_n, asked about my meta, talked about n_n being replaced, and then comes back and votes for FA after saying that I don't have lurker paranoia. The Irony!
F) She has been actively lurking this game, and none of her posts have any original content or an assertive voice.
Thus pistachi0n is scum with either LovelyGiant or Creature or Both. Aka she is definitely scum.
VOTE: pistachi0n for good measure.
In post 677, Lowell wrote:This is an inventive case. In a good way... I think.
Though I'm not sure why you need to derail us to pistachio if you think lovely is probably scum too. Seems unnecessary at best, scummy at worst.
yeah, this is scum
This is good argument. Gale could be scum, I need to check you three out.
Chilled, one thing you need to not forget in your analysis is that maybe scum didn't keep her alive every night because of her but because maybe there were worse threats in terms of accusation ?
We also need to factor what the dead people had for scum list, although this could be WIFOMed.
I'll do a proper catchup when I am back from holidays: there are just too many pages.
I can't remember why we gave up on Creature/Not Mafia slot though. I remember feeling strongly about his slot. I see what you mean as well for AH, when I saw that he had a MS award I thought he would bring a lot of stuff but he seems to be confused like the rest of us. The strongest point he made was against the speed of a wagon if I remember correctly.
One thing I am surprised that nobody mentioned: Not_Mafia hammering before Dierfire can reply and he is for some reason posting something with an argumentation.
In post 958, Frozen Angel wrote:i tracked lowell he didnt target anyone. im 100 percent sure lowell is last scum please sheep me on this
VOTE: lowell
lowell and postie were the ones who dreiled lovely wagon in day 1. when i asked about lowell and postie day 2 both panicked. they sent lovely that night becuase i was pushing lowell. and last night he didnt go on kill becuase he was an obvious track target.
Also, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.
I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.
I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?
Noticed this post, Postie named these as town reads:
BlueTrin
ChilledTea
LovelyGiant
Anti Hero
He named scum in:
Lowell
Guy
Not_Mafia
Spoiler:
In post 840, Postie wrote:Final thoughts: I think BlueTrin, chilledtea, lovelygiant, and Antihero are town. Dierfire and GWS are null. I think there scum is in Lowell, Guy, and Not_Mafia.
Why am I alive ?
I am alive probably because scum wants me to vote on Creature/Not Mafia ? Or they are wifoming me. The most likely scenario is that they expect me to make a bad decision, so basically I am read as an idiot ?
Why are others alive ?
GWS
: If he is not scum, he is making quite bad cases, and I think he could be easily framed in LyLo. I would keep this guy alive if I was scum.
Lowell
: Before to be conftown, he was the most likely person to be lynched.
ChilledTea
: He is very active on this day, but he pointed at DierFire, and he is putting himself as the kingmaker today by asking people to give their opinions before to give his opinions. Also he changed his opinion on Creature/Not_Mafia. He was a very strong advocate of lynching Creature (as I did)
Anti Hero
: He is supposed to be the best played here I guess from his town award. He has not been getting many reads (at least less than my expectations). This could explain why he is kept alive by scum, but he could be equally scum.
Not_Mafia
: I think he is KainTepes, NM does not express himself much. I think he got a bit of hatred from the dead scum and I don't think they were bussing each other. IMHO he is kept alive because he is seen as weaker. I just want to lynch this guy so much for hammering Dierfire without letting him reply but he is not my strongest scum read.
From this preliminary analysis, I suspect the most likely suspects are ChilledTea and Anti Hero.
Bonus for Anti Hero, I think only a very cunning player would have thought of not making a kill to go after Lowell or Dierfire, he has an award so I expect him to not be an idiot. Also he called me and Lowell an idiot so he would definitely keep me alive. He got a roleblocker to reveal.
Bonus for ChilledTea, he claims town roleblocker, that would mean the last mafia has to be a roleblocker or we would have three goons against Doc + Macho Tracker + RB and that would seem a bit stacked.
(More to come obviously)
ChilledTea/Everybody, do you want everybody to claim at this point ? What does everybody think of this ? In retrospect we should have maybe claimed yesterday but Not_Mafia hammer ruined the day
^^^ this is a scummy post... I particularly dislike posts assigning scum agency for NKs. This is something we humble townies don't spend a lot of time doing.
Antihero hasn't given me much reason to consider him scum. He gave a good enough explanation for why he wasn't suspicious. Not to mention neither was not_mafia suspicious of me.
I am town.
Which means scum is in {not_mafia,blue_trin,gale}
I will exclude blue_trin for the moment because his recent post seemed flawed but felt genuine. I am not sure if he is scum or not. I disagree that the last mafia has to be a roleblocker, I think the last mafia is a mafia watcher.
I am alive probably because scum wants me to vote on Creature/Not Mafia ? Or they are wifoming me. The most likely scenario is that they expect me to make a bad decision, so basically I am read as an idiot ?
Really bad analysis. Why are you worried why you are alive, when if ah is town he would get taken out the first, and then myself (roleblocker). Like there are several reasons to not go after you and go after me and antihero.
This is one of the things that makes me think blue_trin could be scum. Seems really fake to think along the lines of why was I kept alive when there is a claimed roleblocker, claimed tracker, and if antihero is town, then award-winning townie.
In post 1010, Gale Wing Srock wrote:The reason I think Anti could be scum is because of the way he is approaching the game (laid back), his reaction to FA post her claim, and his reaction to the Lynches on Day 2 and Day 3.
The thing that I was not able to wrap my brain around, is why would a scum keep FA alive?
Either you have to be someone who knows FA and can get her mislynched or you have to be someone who doesn't understand logic. Anti vs FA's arguments on Day 1 made me realize that Anti could be benefiting from keeping FA alive.
That is why I think its between BlueTrin and Anti.
Can you explain more about anti's reaction to the lynches on day 2 and day 3?
I am alive probably because scum wants me to vote on Creature/Not Mafia ? Or they are wifoming me. The most likely scenario is that they expect me to make a bad decision, so basically I am read as an idiot ?
Really bad analysis. Why are you worried why you are alive, when if ah is town he would get taken out the first, and then myself (roleblocker). Like there are several reasons to not go after you and go after me and antihero.
This is one of the things that makes me think blue_trin could be scum. Seems really fake to think along the lines of why was I kept alive when there is a claimed roleblocker, claimed tracker, and if antihero is town, then award-winning townie.
What I mean to say is that if my reads were accurate, there would be a change I would have been silenced. If Not_Mafia was scum, he would have probably tried to silence me earlier, since I pretty much did nothing but suspect him.
These are the kills: not everybody killed was a PR, but it is possible the scum suspected they were PRs.
pistachi0n the
Vanilla Townie
, lynched d1
Almost50 the
Vanilla Townie
, killed n1
Postie the
Mafia Goon
, lynched d2
GuyFawkes the
Vanilla Townie
, killed n2
lovelygiant the
Mafia Goon
, lynched d3
Dierfire the
Town Doctor
, lynched d4
Frozen Angel the
Town Macho Tracker
, killed n4
On my next posts I will just ISO everybody, this was only a preliminary based on the NKs, I need to continue collecting all the information we have.
I am alive probably because scum wants me to vote on Creature/Not Mafia ? Or they are wifoming me. The most likely scenario is that they expect me to make a bad decision, so basically I am read as an idiot ?
Really bad analysis. Why are you worried why you are alive, when if ah is town he would get taken out the first, and then myself (roleblocker). Like there are several reasons to not go after you and go after me and antihero.
This is one of the things that makes me think blue_trin could be scum. Seems really fake to think along the lines of why was I kept alive when there is a claimed roleblocker, claimed tracker, and if antihero is town, then award-winning townie.
Ok then, this was implied as well:
Why wasn't FA killed as soon as she claimed ?
Why is AH alive ? Is it because he didn't have good reads and/or because the scum was more concerned about other PRs ?
How do we confirm that you are really a roleblocker ? Will you have to claim all your night actions at some point ?
No? That isn't how night kills happen. Scum try to take out the biggest threat, and sometimes the biggest threat is someone who may have wrong reads.
PEDIT: I have already claimed all my night actions. N1 : Creature, N2 : Blue_trin N3 : Dierfire N4 : Lowell.
Why is AH alive? He hasn't done anything and maybe that is why he is alive? Maybe he is scum?
Why wasn't FA killed as soon as she claimed? Because she wasn't a threat at that time. She was playing pretty weird even though her reads were good. The only reason she wasn't killed was because of some weird wifom that the scum got into. It is possible that they actually might not have believed her completely or felt that she may not be much of a threat during the day. They made a mistake though because they lost 2 of their comrades because of it.
Why are you worrying about why you were alive? As far as Guy and almost being taken out is concerned, maybe they were PR hunting. Or maybe they wanted to take out the doctor first?
Noticed this post, Postie named these as town reads:
BlueTrin
ChilledTea
LovelyGiant
Anti Hero
He named scum in:
Lowell
Guy
Not_Mafia
Why would you go and read confirmed scum's post detailing what her town reads and scum reads are after she was outed as the goon responsible for almost's death?
