New York 194: Guns N' Roses Mafia! (Day 8)

[SirCakez]

First
VOTE: jam
Guns N Roses sure jams a lot.

[SirCakez]

Heh I beat the mod's day start PM.

[SirCakez]

Robster you said the same thing in my Mini Normal as town
Are you town here too?

[SirCakez]

26-28

[SirCakez]

Yeah that's what I was referring to Fragger.

[SirCakez]

Why would you vote in your first post without seeing anything scummy?

Are you aware of how RVS works?

[SirCakez]

Frag what's wrong with the jam wagon?

[SirCakez]

I don't know what I've done that's alignment-indicative. If you see something, point it out. To me, scum is most likely to be everyone who hasn't posted yet.

His entrance was awkward, and then this is weird logic.
Plus his wagon actually has pressure.

[SirCakez]

There's no rolelist, this is a closed game. Most games are closed onsite except Opens and Newbies.

[SirCakez]

Frag's post didn't look like a joke....

[SirCakez]

Ness you know Day 1 posts have lots of value, that "day 1 posts have little merit" argument is bad.

[SirCakez]

Ahhh this game exploded. Catching up now.

[SirCakez]

Also before I forget this doesn't seem to be serving much of any purpose at the moment.

UNVOTE:

Why unvote here? Use your vote!

[SirCakez]

About Kill's rage posts - he always plays liie that town or scum, so I wouldn't call it alignment indicative.

[SirCakez]

I don't know what I've done that's alignment-indicative. If you see something, point it out. To me, scum is most likely to be everyone who hasn't posted yet.

His entrance was awkward, and then this is weird logic.
Plus his wagon actually has pressure.

Answered it here Frag.

[SirCakez]

Gonna take my vote off Jam.
UNVOTE:

Also @killstory what were you talking about when you asked what you had read?

Also why unvote here?

[SirCakez]

OK caught up. I think Ness is townie here, he reminds me of how I react when I get wagoned early as town.
Iroa I could see a case for but want to see Frag finish interacting with him first.

[SirCakez]

Creature do something. Even Snarky is being more useful then you.
Slandaar is a stinky wagon.

[SirCakez]

Creature do something. Even Snarky is being more useful then you.
Slandaar is a stinky wagon.

If Slandaar is a stinky wagon, then what is a good wagon for you? Slandaar has only asked questions so far, but I didn't see him bothering to even answer his own questions. I don't mind pushing him, even if there's a Golden Robster voting him.

Also, why were you referencing Snarky?

I think some votes may force the issue.

VOTE: Creature

What about you? Do you have your own opinions? If your only post is an opportunistic vote, then there's something wrong with you.

Creature, wanna answer my question? Also, any thoughts on the game? Reads on Jam and Ness? Thoughts on their wagons?

Do you think there's something wrong with post #9? I had no intention behind that post. I am waiting the game go on a bit, I'll slowly take a look.

So far:
Ness - Typical panicking. Well, so far his behavior matches with his scum play, but I need to take a look at his town behavior and see what matches more.
Jam - Newbscum for me. I see hesitation on his initial posts to accuse someone, I also think he's pretending to be stupid. His vote on Golden seems sheepy (sheeping Snarky).

Jam

How much experience do you have in Mafia?

Jam, Irao are good wagons.
Snarky is someone who typically lurks so mentioned him as a comparison.

Ness still reads town to me, I like the motivation behind Ozgin's big post on him but I don't agree with it.

[SirCakez]

k then, i'm going to take the bait and ask, why is it a stinky wagon?

Because nothing he's posted has given me scum vibes.

[SirCakez]

Ilikebug - wagons are pro-town and drive the game forward.
Creature, you're ItsMeCreature from the TOS forums ya?

[SirCakez]

Ok so Creature knows what happens when people are terrified to make wagons and early votes. On the TOS forums, often people just flop around all day until it comes to deadline because they're all scared of early votes and wagons for some reason (still love playing there though :p) and then there's a panic wagon. That's why wagons are good, so people can actually focus somewhere and get things done.

[SirCakez]

Yeah I don't think that V/LA declaration was scum motivated. Would be a super dirty tactic.

[SirCakez]

Wow this game is slow.
Like SS's analysis. Waiting to see what Reubus has to offer.

[SirCakez]

Frag what was the point of all those questions?

[SirCakez]

I correctly scumread PK in Legend of Zelda so not that hard for me to read.

[SirCakez]

I mean, I might not read him perfect again. I'm just mentioning it as an example of somewhere where I read him correctly.

[SirCakez]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=65594
this game

[SirCakez]

You only won because Nahdia was being absurdly stubborn and boneheaded for some unknown reason

[SirCakez]

Ilikebugs that was a joke request *facepalm*
What's your read on Jam?

[SirCakez]

umm jam is too new so I dont know if hes acting scummy or townie for him

This answer stinks. Pick one or the other.

SirCakez's last few posts have pinged me, both the one about pisskop (feels like asking for credit without blame) and the one to Ilikebugs (feels like trying to blame Ilikebugs for misinterpreting pisskop's post).

First one is understandable but the thing about Ilikebugs - what? I'm not blaming him, I'm just pointing out it wasn't serious. Since he's very new it's an understandable mistake.

Posting this from my phone

I guess for now I can accept this notion of Jam being newb town more then newb scum. I was confused on the early day wagon on them. I'm still feeling good on this pressure of ira & Robster is still weird for me.

I like Performer, Egg, & KAAG day one so far.

There's so many nulls & people who are inactive that this game has been harder than most day ones. Maybe it's the number of players in the game.

SirCakez, pisskop, Slandaar, & Something_Smart are notable nulls for me right now.

Also I feel like Something_Smart could possibly be setting up to pocket me later by how they're giving their read on me through multiple posts.

Pedit: I'll have to look at these Creatures interactions tomorrow. With that I'm off to work & won't be available till the morning.

Then who are you scumreading O.o

Agree with Irao that Ilikebugs's claim is prob legit.

Drixx replaces Mafiaturtle!

*waves*
Hi Drixx!

Because SirCakez is making a lot of short quips that don't really mean anything or represent a wider perspective.

This has been across a lot of my games recently. I've lost a lot of my motivation to really get into games, not sure why and it sucks, I still enjoy mafia :/ I'm trying to get back into it starting today though.

Drixx's joking is not a scumtell stop that. If he keeps it up after catching up then it could be.

Ok caught up
Townreads on Robster, Egg, KAAG, Slandaar
Scumreads on Jam, Creature, Irao

A lot of lurkers who need to step it up.

[SirCakez]

I've never played with Irao or Jam, and you are pinging me constantly so yea those are my scumreads.
Why make that vote directly after my wall though?

[SirCakez]

Heh Creature is definitely scum.

[SirCakez]

First off

VOTE: Creature
Legit forgot to move my vote lol.

Ilikebugs reading newbtown to me all over the place along with his VT claim. Would not lynch there today period.

Sircake, did you actually read my reasoning on Drixx critically? It wasn't just because he told a funny joke.

I skimmed it tbh. Will review that after this.

(watches scum pushing an easy mislynch)

10/10 defense

Drixx didn't pretend to claim survivor.

UNVOTE: Creature
VOTE: Guy

I think this is better.

But like ... tell me if you're seriously going to wagon me for that before I read the 400 posts before my replace-in, because

it would be kind of dickish to have me catch up and read things just to be mislynched

.

When you replace in there is no rule stating you cannot be lynched. You knew there is that risk so I find this line very ugly. Maybe you should catch up and make yourself really obviously town and then no problem, right? I think this is actually a scum mentality but am debating it with myself.

Did you think you would be lynched for saying you are scum?

You know Guy is lynchbait Slandaar, you were in Ice Cream. Not a very good vote.

KAAG reinforcing he is town

[SirCakez]

Irao, so you think he's faking effort rather than actually putting it in?

Drixx, I remember you being a very ethical type who doesn't like lying (correct me if I'm wrong). The way you said you weren't third party, specifically, felt like you wanted to avoid a lie with "I'm town" or "I'm not scum". So I asked you straight out to see if you'd avoid it again and you did so by jokingly claiming scum. So basically my theory is you didn't want to lie and used a joke instead. 415 also feels awfully defensive. And 417 feels defeatist for someone at L-9.

This is silly reasoning, sorry. Saying he joked to avoid directly lying is a bad reason for a vote. Don't agree about 415 and 417 either.

[SirCakez]

I'm aware Egg but he's not a priority for me basically.
Null atm

[SirCakez]

I actually liked those posts from Performer, can you elaborate SS?
Creature does have off site experience, with me actually lol.
Still waiting on Reubus...
P-Edit: lol Slandaar. Yeah that helps.

[SirCakez]

Reubus who are your scumreads?

[SirCakez]

You know Guy is lynchbait Slandaar, you were in Ice Cream. Not a very good vote.

The "lynchbait" idea is the same logic that you criticized Creature for using, how do you reconcile this?

I've never played or seen play from the people he said were mislynch able, but I have seen Guy's play so yeah difference.

[SirCakez]

Reubus can you give us reads or anything please?

[SirCakez]

DGB read up and give us reads please

[SirCakez]

DGB looks townish, Irao flurry of posts mimicking her looked pretty bad to me. I think a wagon on this guy will be really useful.
VOTE: iraonvp

[SirCakez]

DGB was also scum that game <.<

[SirCakez]

Irao what wagon do you condone then? Should we just sit around and not wagon anywhere?
Wagoning the empty Creature slot does feel like a waste now when we could be wagoning Irao!
Also Reubus is slipping to a scumread for doing literally nothing pro-town.

[SirCakez]

irao why have you made zero attempt to get a Drixx wagon going then? There have been chances.

[SirCakez]

The Fragger wagon isn't happening obviously, so I don't see why you would avoid another, actually viable wagon. It's def answerable.

[SirCakez]

There are multiple people who've said they are scumreading Drixx, but you've made no attempt to push Drixx.

irao why have you made zero attempt to get a Drixx wagon going then? There have been chances.

^^^

[SirCakez]

Flail more.

[SirCakez]

I wouldn't go to the Creature slot again unless the replacement was also a scumbutt.
Reubus I'm okay with wagoning but I like my irao vote more.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Reubus Swagrid
Consolidating for deadline
This guy has done fuck all all game.

[SirCakez]

That's L-1. No hammer without intent pls.

[SirCakez]

Why Ozgin? Other four I get.

[SirCakez]

Why are we talking about PR claims?

[SirCakez]

No we aren't hammering Reubus slot without a claim stop

[SirCakez]

Aero said we'll get an extension if there's a replacement tho Ari
Wait what the hell who did Ari replace wtf

[SirCakez]

I am not paying enough attention sorry

[SirCakez]

I just really hate hammering w/o claims unless it's like AT deadline and it's not :/

[SirCakez]

*backs away slowly*

[SirCakez]

I just realized I never made a bah post.

Go town!

[SirCakez]

gg slan, you deserve the win

[SirCakez]

Can we see scum chat?