Mini 1772 ~ Game Over

[Antihero]

'sup normal people?

food then catchup

[Antihero]

VOTE: creature

let's get this wagon going

[Antihero]

I don't see what's wrong with 57.

What's the best way to get out of RVS? Reading the votes.
What are we earning from reading these votes? Nothing.
Then how it helps? People will stop trolling and post their opinions.
And what are we earning from this? We're getting real tells.

/whiteknights gale
/does absolutely nothing with this opinion that gale is being unjustly attacked

[Antihero]

ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

i think fa is scum here

[Antihero]

OK, here's an attempt to disrupt these still waters, but first:

To the VIG (if existent): This is NOT a claim, so do NOT out yourself.

Now; a HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION to all: If YOU were the Vigilante; who would you be shooting tonight? Name ONLY ONE player.

Thank you.

P.S. Even if you think the question is funny, scummy, irrelevant ..etc. PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION.

Note: My TUMMY does NOT HURT, but THANKS for ASKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...

yikes

[Antihero]

yeah, really

whatcha' doing?

[Antihero]

Spoiler:

I don't see what's wrong with 57.

What's the best way to get out of RVS? Reading the votes.
What are we earning from reading these votes? Nothing.
Then how it helps? People will stop trolling and post their opinions.
And what are we earning from this? We're getting real tells.

Sorry, I didn't get much to say.

I want to see the votecount first.

Sorry, I didn't get much to say.

I want to see the votecount first.

so you saw it. anything you want to say?

For now I disagree on Gale's lynch. I want to hear more from chilledtea, he stopped posting when he received two votes.

^this needs heat

vote creature plz

[Antihero]

its 1 am in the morning

what do you think?

i mean in the game

do you have a scum lead yet... or what?

[Antihero]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

i'm actually kind of liking postie for town maybe?

[Antihero]

night, fa

[Antihero]

Spoiler:

I don't see what's wrong with 57.

What's the best way to get out of RVS? Reading the votes.
What are we earning from reading these votes? Nothing.
Then how it helps? People will stop trolling and post their opinions.
And what are we earning from this? We're getting real tells.

Sorry, I didn't get much to say.

I want to see the votecount first.

Sorry, I didn't get much to say.

I want to see the votecount first.

so you saw it. anything you want to say?

For now I disagree on Gale's lynch. I want to hear more from chilledtea, he stopped posting when he received two votes.

^this needs heat

vote creature plz

since i know it's coming ("why?"): he goes out of his way to make a big deal to defend gale, but he doesn't go after any of gale's detractors. he keeps his vote on tea who NEVER voted gale w/ this implicit, asinine hypothesis that he's scum who crumbled under the pressure of 2 rvs votes.

there's no good, cohesive read here there's just this dangling, isolated observation floating out in the middle of nowhere.

[Antihero]

i've got townreads on chilledtea, lowell, and lovelygiant. if i'm feeling aggressive i'll put dierfire, guyfawkes, gale, pistach, and postie in there but those are all still solidifying.

[Antihero]

first fly over guess:
creature/fa/bluetrin

[Antihero]

I would like you to walk me through on Lowell and Lovelygiant.

this may or may not happen...

Spoiler:

ok, this probably won't ever happen unless either of them are seriously in danger of being lynched.

I had a gut feel for FA scum (same as Lowell). But she does seem busy irl.

...really don't see how that's germane to the read...

[Antihero]

Attempt to disrupt a wagon formation on LovelyGiant is not possible with that pair? how is that?

....

what are you asking now?

And I have observed that people give out scummy vibes and play differently when busy irl. The posts that made me suspicious of her was 77 - 90. But looking back, it doesn't seem that way. FA + BlueTrin yeah, but what about Lowell and LovelyGiant then?

what the fuck are you talking about gale?

[Antihero]

giving a read and describing it...?

ok i guess you've got something here b/c i have no idea what you're talking about.

[Antihero]

these also aren't associative things.

bluetrin is mostly pinging me b/c for everyone outside of gale he looks like he's just kind of going through the motions and academically pointing things out w/o actually developing a nice meaty READ. fa just kind of seems like she's treading water here with a boring bleh postie push

[Antihero]

still gut rn

the kind of meta you're using just isn't good

[Antihero]

ok then i guess have fun w/ this conversation

on the way out could one or both of you vote creature that would be appreciated

[Antihero]

I actually like the GWS wagon better. I think lynching town!Creature would be worse than lynching town!GWS, because I might actually be able to get a decent read on Creature in future, whereas GWS is just going to be annoying all game.

VOTE: Gale Wing Srock

wow what an awful post

[Antihero]

@Antihero she is kind of not playing the game at all. why that makes her scum ?

X

read plz

[Antihero]

Spoiler:

I don't see what's wrong with 57.

What's the best way to get out of RVS? Reading the votes.
What are we earning from reading these votes? Nothing.
Then how it helps? People will stop trolling and post their opinions.
And what are we earning from this? We're getting real tells.

Sorry, I didn't get much to say.

I want to see the votecount first.

Sorry, I didn't get much to say.

I want to see the votecount first.

so you saw it. anything you want to say?

For now I disagree on Gale's lynch. I want to hear more from chilledtea, he stopped posting when he received two votes.

^this needs heat

vote creature plz

why those need hit ?

it seems like a player who is not giving any shit about what their posting

nonononono, don't sell me this bullshit

he cared enough to want to be seen defending gale but he DIDN'T care enough to follow up on it

that's scummy

[Antihero]

ok i'm p sure i'm arguing w/ scum at this point

[Antihero]

no, YOU'RE not bothering to read my posts and you seem to be preoccupied with superimposing them with some strawmanned horseshit

you're scum, fa

[Antihero]

initiate steven universe part 2 i guess

[Antihero]

i can't wait for ppl to come in here and call this tvt

that's going to be a treat

[Antihero]

that's an awful point

[Antihero]

Anyways, the theory I have on a Lowell, Guy and LovelyG scum team is as follows:

- So the game starts with some jokes, and Lowell pushes LovelyG for a less than mediocre scum vibe (18).
- Lowell asks for a Day Vig and Guy comes in with a Day Vig shot indicating 2-shots (hinting at being our vig).
- Then Guy and LovelyG go after one another for mediocre reasons (Idk how it is possible for either of them to know that the other is scum based on silly back and forth) (30).
- When I try to end the silly posts, out comes Lowell with 'guy is town. GWS is scum' (Like how did he even come to that conclusion??? ) (60).
- LovelyG votes Guy for scum (and vice versa), but doesn't question or even try to interact with him until Guy responds to LovelyG's answer to my question (94). Like there is something wrong here wrt an early town tunnel.
- Then Guy tries to deflect his defensiveness (that came out of the post that Lowell read me as scum) with a joke.
- Lowell then has a problem with my activity and says that he has others to look at (which we haven't seen him do yet) (98).
- LovelyG calls me flippant and "says" that he likes my activity, but it doesn't seem like it tbh (102).
- LovelyG then wants to kill an inactive player without asking for prod or to be replaced. Like thats a pretty clear scum tell there (117).
- Once Pista voted for me, Lowell saw a gap to drop in and is voting me because of activity??? Like this is crazy ass scummy! (122)
- Which only makes 123 look like a cover up post.
- And LovelyG chips in to support Lowell on this endeavor. Like he is convinced to leave his tunnel on Guy because he believes Lowell to be town? And wants to sheep him? Like what is going on here? That is a clear sign of a scum team (without day chat) at work (124).

"i already believe this scumteam and i will write up a bunch of things in an narrative to make it fit"

that's what that is

[Antihero]

i can't wait for ppl to come in here and call this tvt

that's going to be a treat

omg

your scum aren't you ?

bring it

[Antihero]

Postie has to be looked at along with LovelyGiant Imo, but we can visit them later. Now, where is the conflict here?

the conflict is that fa is characterizing it as "LOL LURKER WAGON" and that's not what it is at all

[Antihero]

Spoiler:

I don't see what's wrong with 57.

What's the best way to get out of RVS? Reading the votes.
What are we earning from reading these votes? Nothing.
Then how it helps? People will stop trolling and post their opinions.
And what are we earning from this? We're getting real tells.

Sorry, I didn't get much to say.

I want to see the votecount first.

Sorry, I didn't get much to say.

I want to see the votecount first.

so you saw it. anything you want to say?

For now I disagree on Gale's lynch. I want to hear more from chilledtea, he stopped posting when he received two votes.

^this needs heat

vote creature plz

why those need hit ?

it seems like a player who is not giving any shit about what their posting

correction: it's someone who is "not giving any shit about what their posting"

ok fine

[Antihero]

I SAID NO SUCH THING

you have gone out of your way to frustrate me on creature and i have absolutely no idea why

[Antihero]

314 is a scumpost, by the way

[Antihero]

314 is a scumpost, by the way

Post 314 added link for new page

[Antihero]

you were here first

i'll leave if ppl think i'm toxic

[Antihero]

or i'll leave if you're leaving just for me

[Antihero]

well it's your blacklist and you're free to avoid me

i'm not doing it for no reason though. i see obvscum and when ppl just want to trip me over "oh yeah he's just not posting" (in retrospect, that was actually more what postie said than what you said but i kind of grouped you together in my head) then i expect a REALLY good reasons for it.

[Antihero]

eh

i could probably stand to chill out a little

[Antihero]

ok fine i could definitely stand to chill out a lot

[Antihero]

Spoiler:

eh

i could probably stand to chill out a little

ok fine i could definitely stand to chill out a lot

I retract my ask to replace out

you wanna fight?

bring it on

I should have leaved when ASIAF finished.

I should have done that to all my games...

I'm stupid that I'm still playing.

yep, that's what i say after all my games

then 7 years later i'm still here

[Antihero]

not unless youre as much of a masochist as i am

[Antihero]

I hate when i see people who thinks their smart but they have absoloutly no clue

i will freely admit that i don't have (much of) a clue and i'm probably a mediocre scumhunter

doesn't mean i can't try

[Antihero]

I kind of feel I'm circled by a bunch of idiots all the time.

i can sympathize, sometimes i feel that way

then i realize that i

AM

one of the idiots so it's all good

[Antihero]

I will stay if you want to lynch me based on the replace out. I prefer to get lynched myself to put the burden on a replacement

i'd rather you stayed but do whatever you need to do for yourself

[Antihero]

Anti

, I didn't like the way you responded to my case on Lowell + Lovelygiant. Are you in a bad mood or something? (Or probably scum with them?) Hey! I put out what I observed and you almost called it sh8.

i... can't tell if you're being serious or cheeky...

either way, your case was still shit and if you don't like me saying that then... tough i guess

[Antihero]

put your vote back on creature

we'll get that scumflip, have a dr. pepper, and then work from there

[Antihero]

i guess i can't question your commitment to this bit

[Antihero]

...what...?

[Antihero]

no, but i'm voting scum

you were until you went completely off the rails

[Antihero]

got prod will post in cple hours when not on phone

[Antihero]

sorry aquanim, i really should've declared v/la before kind of dropping out on ya' like. last few days + next week is a pretty congested work week for me.

i'll still post about every day and i'll have a few hours tonight to catch up on what's been happening.

[Antihero]

Although the wagon happens a bit fast without resistance.

WAGON
SPEED
MEANS
NOTHING

i will say this over and over and over and over again. i JUST had this rant in another recent game so i'll just go ahead and link you to the post where i talk about what actually correlates w/ "wagon speed": http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p7667158
by the way, the person we were wagoning WAS SCUM so little bonus tidbit for you there and only serves to further drive home my mantra that WAGON SPEED MEANS NOTHING

let's say it again

WAGON SPEED MEANS NOTHING

[Antihero]

This deserves a kodak moment omg!

I'm dieing

no this is actually pretty anti town and is getting close to making the game unplayable

[Antihero]

Antihero was upset when he was arguing with you. He might have taken a break because of it.

no i actually got a paper back for revision and want to get it back out the door asap.

guess that teaches me to prioritize rl commitments over this game.

[Antihero]

he can replace out

i... actually might

since i'm on the nrg i thought it would be good to actually PLAY a normal game to see how things are on the player side of things in this queue but it's become such a drag.

[Antihero]

lowell is making uncharacteristically bad points

[Antihero]

i could go point by point on the lovelygiant case but i really dont have time to do that right now.

but... it's just not a good case.

[Antihero]

i could go point by point on the lovelygiant case but i really dont have time to do that right now.

but... it's just not a good case.

I'd really like to hear from AH on this actually and I'm not sure I trust this playerlist with L-1 so

UNVOTE:

that may or may not happen ever

probably not

[Antihero]

Explain this more? A little bit?

calling creature town and lovelygiant scum are just ridiculously awful and i haven't seen a post of his that makes me think "yeah i agree with that, that's good"

i expect that of him by now

[Antihero]

Considering Not_Mafia just replaced in, there is 0 chance of him realistically getting lynched. The creature slot got a boost because of replacement.

Oh. I give up then.

yep, that's where i'm at too

[Antihero]

pistach is a craps shoot.

[Antihero]

or talk

that work as well

it's probably best that we keep our interaction to a minimum

[Antihero]

correction: i don't "need" to do anything

[Antihero]

i've got townreads on chilledtea, lowell, and lovelygiant. if i'm feeling aggressive i'll put dierfire, guyfawkes, gale, pistach, and postie in there but those are all still solidifying.

ok so townreads now are: chilledtea, lovelygiant, gale, frozen, (probably postie)
second tier is: guy, (maybe hammerandsickle; i remember seeing a post of his that made me think he was town but i don't remember what exactly it was)

left w/:
1) Dierfire
3) Lowell
7) pistachi0n
8) Almost50
11) Not_Mafia

i don't remember anything specific from dierfire, pistach, or almost50. lowell's dropped out just b/c he's been talking out his ass and i'm still scumreading the creature/not mafia slot.

guess i should go take a quick look at the three blanks

[Antihero]

sure you do

as town you need to find scum and persude town about it
as scum you need to push your agenda

if you not doing eaither your not playing the game = you need to replace out / get modkilled

or talk

that work as well

it's probably best that we keep our interaction to a minimum

i'm probably just going to stop from my end b/c i really have no reason to think your scum and a LOT of things would have to happen to get me to the point of re-evaluating that

[Antihero]

well that or a cc b/c the read is "macho tracker claim"

[Antihero]

ok then! keep talking to people.

but don't go into hiding

hey, so believe it or not i do things outside MS

so if i "went into hiding" its b/c i have responsibilities, duties, obligations

[Antihero]

read the setup

i did! thnx for the advice.

it's worded to where there theoretically COULD be more than 1 of whatever role, but exact duplicate roles are pretty janky and you just don't see it often

i've seen it...... only a couple times in all my games here. and they were themes.

[Antihero]

(on an unrelated note i can't believe marquis was good w/ tracker needing a "macho" modifier but whtvr. we live in the site meta where most town pr's are too weak and scumteams are too strong.)

[Antihero]

ok now i remembered why i was townreading dier. still good w/ that.

[Antihero]

pistach is a craps shoot.

Just so I don't wrongly assume, what does this mean?

there's nothing SOOPER DEE DOOPER TOWN in her posting, but there's little splotches here and there that make me think "may be town"

the gale case isn't great b/c it just follows the usual format of "look at x that i'm linking to SCUMZORZ"

i really dont have that much optimism for a pistach lynch actually flipping scum

but hey maybe i just completely missed the scumminess and the dice land on 7. it's happened before.

(that's a good thing in craps, right?)

(.... i've never played craps before so i have no idea why i chose that reference....)

[Antihero]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

i'm not getting anything out of reading almost50's stuff.

/raspberry

[Antihero]

ok well...

i'm not going to vote pistach but she should claim in her next post ~something something hammer intent stated~

[Antihero]

why lovelygiant is town Anti?

i've been townreading giant for a while just b/c he gives legit reads and i haven't seen anything of his come off as forced or insincere

i'm kind of baffled about how ppl are scumreading/wagoning him.

[Antihero]

ok yeah giving not mafia's stuff a once over there's no chance my votes moving from that

[Antihero]

oh im sorry i didnt mean to disparage your outstanding catchup observations

guy is town. GWS is scum. That last post was an obvious try-hard.

Are tryhards only scum?

guy is town. GWS is scum. That last post was an obvious try-hard.

I had the complete vise versa read.

why an attempt to end RVS is scummy move and a guy who responded I'm not trolling I' just keeping the game in RVS is town?

GWS is probably town for ending RVS, you are right.

Blech

Postie

, I want to understand if my read on BlueTrin and Lovelygiant is something that matches yours or not. Makes me read the players better that way.

Well, the tone of BlueTrin's posts makes me uneasy, but it might be that he just always talks that way so ehh (I'll go take a look at some of his past games later when I'm not phone posting). Not sure on lovelygiant either, but I think I have gut townlean.
Why did you want to know about these two specifically and why did you choose to ask me about them over any other player?

Okay, lets see now.

A) Your RVS vote was of no use.
B) I wanted to see where your head is at.
C) You seem to be fence sitting.

I think I can come back to BlueTrin later.

VOTE: Postie

This feels OMGUSy

[Antihero]

/all the shrugs

VOTE: pistachi0n

[Antihero]

If LovelyGiant is not scum, then Anti could be Lowell's partner.
He is showing the same bussing behavior wrt Pista's lynch as Lowell:

hi gale

ok... don't take this the wrong way

but most of your points and cases have been crap

i'm not saying it to be mean. i'm not even really saying it a judgmental way. i'm not discrediting. i'm speaking as matter-of-factly as i can when i say that your model for what you apparently think is scummy is just not good because you're not doing the step of "these actions that i'm pointing out are scummy because [BOOM REASONS]"

i still haven't COMPLETELY eliminated the possibility that you're scum and it's all on purpose, but i think you're more than likely town here.

so... i don't know, instead of getting mad at me and calling me scum in retaliation maybe think through what you say.

[Antihero]

i'm operating off the assumption that almost50 is a vig kill b/c there's no way scum would shoot almost50 before fa.

[Antihero]

and i'm still good w/ voting nm.

VOTE: not_mafia

[Antihero]

thats pista*

pistachi0n the Vanilla Townie has been lynched.

yeah... we'll get right on that

[Antihero]

it really wouldn't surprise me if fa was making that up but postie's probably getting lynched anyway

/sigh

[Antihero]

EBWOP: FA or me instead?

why would scum kill you?

legit question

[Antihero]

yeah... if fa's scum i would almost make the argument she broke the rules and brought in outside influences w/ the replacing out thing

probably not, but pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffbbbbttjtlk;tjd;lksatlk;sjdalkdf

VOTE: postie

[Antihero]

VOTE: postie

Can someone lay out the not_mafia case in case they end up dead? I'm always around at endgame so I need to feast on the brains of others until then.

like... i don't know maybe take a cursory look at his posts and see there's absolutely no content and 100% survival-ism

[Antihero]

and then n_m's stuff consists of... 3 half-assed catchup posts and then intent to hammer a townie

[Antihero]

UNVOTE:

yeah... you're actually going to have to lynch postie w/o me

[Antihero]

if postie really is scum she picked the most counter-intuitive way to respond to the claim

[Antihero]

b/c you've been peddling nothing but superficial cases on ppl who are probably town

[Antihero]

oh, i did hammer

meh, was going to happen anyway

[Antihero]

And almost50 was a town lean for me, so idk why the vig would kill him over other players.

lurkers get shot

[Antihero]

Anti, please promise me that from now on you won't just roll over and do whatever everyone else is doing. I doc'd you for a reason.

i can lead horses to water

but i can't keep them from eating their own feces instead

[Antihero]

name one thing almost50 did on day 1

[Antihero]

i remember going through that iso at the end of yesterday and just drawing a complete blank b/c there was really nothing there

[Antihero]

Hmm? lets see who gets killed first and then we will know.

yeah

i guess we will

[Antihero]

I just hope FA is not Mafia Tracker or something. She saw that Postie is town PR and got her lynched.

that actually wouldn't be a bad trade for scum-fa (who would come under scrutiny eventually for still being alive after claiming macho)

i really really really hope not though

if fa is scum here she played REALLY dirty and i would be sad b/c i see fa as respectable

[Antihero]

like...

the whole reason i backed off fa in the beginning was b/c i really thought i was causing her enough emotional distress to make her replace out

if all that, in retrospect, was a scum ploy then i don't know what i'm going to do besides... cry.

[Antihero]

why is that moronic?

thats optimal play

[Antihero]

I meant that town fa fakeclaiming tracking Postie to almost because she is so sure of Postie being scum but cannot convince town.

that would shatter my view of fa and i rly dont want to entertain that

[Antihero]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Antihero]

VOTE: dierfire

[Antihero]

yeah... scum apparently REALLY don't understand optimal play here w/ regards to the nightkills

[Antihero]

Town Universal Backup

the only thing i can come up w/ is that they think there might be a universal backup and want to keep the tracker in fa's hands

that's... pretty dumb, but it's the only thing i can think of that at least kinda sounds plausible (w/o fa being scum and staging a hell of a production)

[Antihero]

postie seems.... smart

why would she think it was a good idea to kill almost50?

[Antihero]

Maybe they were doc hunting, though I don't know why they would

why would that matter?

it's macho

[Antihero]

Maybe they did this on purpose to confuse the town ? Or maybe scum thought that there could have been another PR checking for who would attack FA ?

that doesn't exist

and now i'm starting to think you would completely do these

[Antihero]

lovelygiant?

i thought he was smart too

[Antihero]

eh, why not

im looking at the alive list and i am drawing a fucking blank

i thought dier's early postie stuff looked kinda' bus-y but idfk

[Antihero]

/in before lock

[Antihero]

no... i'm...

at a loss for words

[Antihero]

if what i think happened (scum no-killed b/c OMG RB), then ...

there is a pretty big disconnect w/ what optimal play is for scum.

either that or they've just given up at this point

[Antihero]

/shrug

that's the ONLY plausible thing i can think of

it's not good.

but it's maybe plausible.

[Antihero]

oh wow yeah

i'm stupid

[Antihero]

i doubt she tracked dier

[Antihero]

there's probably not multiples of the same role

[Antihero]

i'll wait up for fa, but there's no reason to lynch anyone other then dier

[Antihero]

i'm glad i got my head out of my ass in time to get at least ONE read right this game

[Antihero]

VOTE: dierfire

eh, why not

im looking at the alive list and i am drawing a fucking blank

i thought dier's early postie stuff looked kinda' bus-y but idfk

...just....

just let me have it

[Antihero]

Tbh though I was expecting one of the top tiers to be the last scum, like Anti Hero or Lowell lol.

yeah we knew that

you've been aggressively wrong there since day 1.

[Antihero]

what do you mean what's with me?

[Antihero]

and... no i wasn't calling the same people scum on day 3 as i was on day 1

[Antihero]

please i got u 2 scums , sheep me on third please

uh... no we're going w/ the roleblocker's results

VOTE: dierfire

[Antihero]

====[]

[Antihero]

fa,

chilled blocked dier
there was no kill
there's one scum left

dier's the lynch

[Antihero]

alright that works too

[Antihero]

ewwwwwwwwwwwww

[Antihero]

multiple roleblockers = so gross

i hope not

[Antihero]

oh yep

that'll do it

[Antihero]

should i be?

i'll start if there's another pr claim but otherwise occam's razor

[Antihero]

I expected people to be suspicious of me. I indirectly caused the mislynch. The normal town behavior to this should be to be suspicious of me. But you were all cool like nothing.

i mean... if it was a gambit it would've been dumb for a few reasons. most notably b/c once another pr claims it immediately brings your claim into question.

[Antihero]

I thought people would ask how did I know dierfire was the doc.

...you said that somewhere...?

[Antihero]

Also I claimed right away because I wanted to be there before Dierfire. He could have known he got blocked and then claim to be a doctor or something.

there's... this.

this isn't "knowing" dier is a doc, though. it's anticipating scum counter play.

so i have no idea what you're talking about.

[Antihero]

now that you're playing devil's advocate for crappy dappy reasons i will happily lynch you over another pr claim.

but... as things stand just a macho tracker + doc isn't even close to balanced and there's no way that makes it past the nrg even against 3 goons

[Antihero]

I haven't seen town have three PRs before, and the scums could very well have three goons.

O_O

??????????????????

[Antihero]

ChilledTea's push on Dierfire is no less than my push on Pista, so I don't think ChilledTea is scum for that push. Dierfire was lurking quiet a bit, but maybe we could have waited to hear from him before the hammer?

it wasn't so much a push as a perceived guilty result.

[Antihero]

If you are town, it is between bluetrin, not_mafia, gws. Who is scum amongst these?

no idea ask me later

[Antihero]

I don't see why you would keep FA alive.

why would anybody?

[Antihero]

yeah... hating every gale post on this page

[Antihero]

wow that's awful

really how would anyone think they could get a tracker w/ a guilty on flipped scum lynched? walk us through that.

[Antihero]

The reason I think Anti could be scum is because of the way he is approaching the game (laid back), his reaction to FA post her claim, and his reaction to the Lynches on Day 2 and Day 3.

>oh noes, i'm playing in a way that preserves my sanity. how scummy of me.
>i thought she was town b/c as a scum gambit it would be absolute lunacy? ok... that's apparently scummy too.
>ok that's not descriptive at all

[Antihero]

That is what you have to answer, Anti.

yeah... no

VOTE: gale

[Antihero]

your argument is "anti kept fa alive b/c he thought he could get her mislynched"

substantiate on that

[Antihero]

every case and argument you've made up to this point has been so unnecessarily complicated and draped with awful logic leaps and now i'm thinking there's something to that.

[Antihero]

looked back at day 1

Votecount 1.11

lovelygiant (5) -

Almost50, Postie, Creature, Lowell, Frozen Angel

(L-2)

Creature (3) -

Antihero, lovelygiant, BlueTrin

Frozen Angel (1) -

GuyFawkes

Postie (1) -

Dierfire

pistachi0n (1) -

Gale Wing Srock

Gale Wing Srock (1) -

pistachi0n

Not Voting (1) -

chilledtea

With 13 players remaining, 7 votes are required to lynch.
Day 1 deadline - (expired on 2016-03-17 10:00:00)

Notes -

Spoiler: Full VC

Dierfire (0) -

Gale Wing Srock (1) -

Dierfire

,

Postie

,

pistachi0n

,

Lowell

,

lovelygiant

,

Postie

, pistachi0n

Lowell (0) -

BlueTrin (0) -

lovelygiant

,

pistachi0n

,

Gale Wing Srock

GuyFawkes (0) -

lovelygiant

chilledtea (0) -

Creature

,

BlueTrin

pistachi0n (1) -

Gale Wing Srock

Almost50 (0) -

Almost50

,

Creature

,

Antihero

Frozen Angel (1) -

BlueTrin

,

Postie

,

chilledtea

,

Creature

,

Frozen Angel

,

pistachi0n

,

Frozen Angel

, GuyFawkes

Postie (1) -

Dierfire,

Gale Wing Srock

,

Frozen Angel

Creature (3) -

GuyFawkes

,

chilledtea

,

BlueTrin

, Antihero,

Gale Wing Srock

,

Postie

,

Frozen Angel

, lovelygiant,

Frozen Angel

, BlueTrin

lovelygiant (5) -

Lowell

,

BlueTrin

,

GuyFawkes

,

Gale Wing Srock

, Almost50,

Frozen Angel

, Postie, Creature,

Gale Wing Srock

, Lowell, Frozen Angel

Antihero (0) -

Creature

,

Frozen Angel

No Lynch (0) -

Not Voting (1) -

chilledtea

Case on Pistachi0n being a sure shot lurker scum

:

Okay, I have seen what I wanted to see wrt pistachi0n and the two wagons. So here is what I think right now:

Deduction:

Pistachi0n is scum regardless of whether LovelyGiant is scum or Creature is scum or both.

Process:

1) I believe everyone is aware why I voted for Pistachi0n? If not then check the posts in the spoiler tag.

Spoiler: Vote on Pistachi0n

I think the whole thing with FA was likely a scum gambit. It's out of character, she's been very composed in every game I've played with her.

Postie is a sheep.

The Creature wagon was terrible.

VOTE: Frozen Angel

And what do you think of the LovelyGiant wagon?

You're right, I wasn't paying enough attention. I see there are no cops and I feel stupid.

I still don't think FA surviving will clear her

.

Who said that FA surviving would clear her?

And what is the point of 545? You seem pressured and nervous, whats up?

FA

, I actually think that you got a nibble.

Imo 541 is a scum slip, I am getting a feeling that its coming from a scum who is planning not to kill you, and was trying to get Town PRs to focus on you.

If he didn't like the creature wagon, why didn't he vote for the LovelyGiant wagon (that would have put LovelyGiant at L-1) or atleast talk about it?

Lets get some votes here.

VOTE: pistachi0n

2) So pistachi0n was pressured and nervous wrt the two wagons, and she avoided mentioning about the LovelyGiant wagon, called Creature's wagon as terrible and voted for FA (who claimed Macho Tracker). I wanted to know why she is pressured and nervous wrt the wagons and why she didn't mention about the LovelyGiant wagon. This everyone knows by now.

3) But what I also wanted to do was check how many scums are there in the two major wagons.

4) My thinking before the unvote (525) was that LovelyGiant was at L-1 and if Lowell (or any player not on LovelyGiant's wagon for that matter) is scum with him, then they would most likely buss their buddy to end the day early and get town cred.

5) So I unvoted to see such a reaction (and still make sure that we don't end the day early).
In comes Mr. Lowell with his 530. Filled with bussing emotions and another mediocre reason to vote for LovelyGiant.

6) I knew that you guys would brush this aside because of my earlier theory on him, so I wanted to see if there are other buddies to LovelyGiant.

7) Just then FA unvotes <3 (533) Which is proof enough for me that she is town this game.

8) As soon as pistachi0n voted for FA after ignoring the LovelyGiant wagon (536). I was sure that we got a scum, but I wanted to build a case on her.

9) 571 was meant to get a reaction from scum pistachi0n and 671 + 672 is just that.

---

Reasons for why Pistachi0n is individually scum:

A) She comes into the game after a long while and votes for a claimed Town PR while ignoring two players who have been scummy (536).

B) She wants FA lynched because scums could leave her alive to screw with us, and wants a cop on her if she is not lynched (539). Not only is she trying to get rid of a info based Town PR, but is trying to get other info roles to target her instead.

C) She was pressured and nervous when Postie (who she has called a sheep in 536 questions her), and says that 'FA surviving would not clear her' when no one brought that topic up. Which implies that she is thinking that FA will not die in the night. How can she know that for sure?

I am sure there are lots of scummy people in the game that FA can track if her claim is true. Then in that case if she is town, she is more likely to be killed than not. Unless the scums have a role that can stop her from tracking. And it seems pistachi0n is aware of a scum role blocker, or wants to lynch FA instead because such a role doesn't exist with the scums. Eitherway she has more info and is nervous and pressured because of that. Otherwise why would you be pressured by a player who you think is a sheep?

D) After I pointed this out, instead of agreeing that she looked scummy and that she still thinks FA is scum (or votes for one of the major wagons). Which Imo a town pistachi0n would have done. She votes for me?
Like this is the height of scumminess!

E) If you check her ISO, you will see that she voted for BlueTrin in RVS, then voted me for a reason that was already answered in the game (121), then she supported n_n, asked about my meta, talked about n_n being replaced, and then comes back and votes for FA after saying that I don't have lurker paranoia. The Irony!

F) She has been actively lurking this game, and none of her posts have any original content or an assertive voice.

Thus pistachi0n is scum with either LovelyGiant or Creature or Both. Aka she is definitely scum.

VOTE: pistachi0n for good measure.

This is an inventive case. In a good way... I think.

Though I'm not sure why you need to derail us to pistachio if you think lovely is probably scum too. Seems unnecessary at best, scummy at worst.

yeah, this is scum

[Antihero]

he started off voting lovelygiant until the wagon actually got steam and his l-2, at which point he unvoted "for other people to weigh in" and then he started on the pistachion track.

i.e. he bussed when it didn't matter and didn't bus when it did matter

while he was bussing he also made sure to tie in several townies (me, lowell, guy) as part of his "case"

[Antihero]

your argument is "anti kept fa alive b/c he thought he could get her mislynched"

substantiate on that

IN ADDITION

if there was ANYONE that was buddy-buddy w/ fa and was probably secure in her not tracking him, it's gale

[Antihero]

look again on chilled tea , anti hero and pits when I was gone !

yeah, i totally had lots of reason to keep fa alive

you want to keep selling that buddy or do you want to try a different angle?

i mean... me seeming to take postie's side on day 2 would be a better angle but you just reached straight for the bullshit.

[Antihero]

i'm probably not going to be here tomorrow b/c holiday fun stuff.

can't wait to see what rube goldberg-esque thing gale pulls out next but that'll have to wait until i get back.

[Antihero]

i feel like i posted here yesterday

[Antihero]

oh... well

nothing's happened since i posted here anyway

later

[Antihero]

can we stop talking about my scummie banner its dumb kthnxbye

[Antihero]

Can we just kill Gale and be done with it or what?

[Antihero]

Why such discrimination? I scum hunted carefully and if Pista came out as scum in that its not my fault yo. She was scummy af. If she wouldn't have been lynched on Day 1, she might have been lynched later in the game. There was really no way for me to know LovelyGiant was the scum between the two.

So I don't understand the hypocrisy here. You expect me to be a perfect scum hunter or what?

ok i have no idea how this is what you're drawing from what i'm saying

i'm not saying i'm the perfect scumhunter. i'm not talking about lowell or anyone else. i never said anything about being perfect.

i am saying. matter-of-factly. that your cases have been bad and on town. if you are drawing ANYTHING outside of that to take personally or be butthurt about then i have no idea how you think. you will never hear me claim to be anything other than an average scumhunter, (oooo look at my shiny scummies banner. yeah... wait until you figure out how the scummies work.) but one thing that i can say about myself is that i am aware enough to know my limitations. you seem to be insistent on taking what i'm saying as some sort of attack and it's not.

also

stop saying pistachion was scummy.
stop saying that
stop
stop
stop
stop

pistachion was NOT scummy. she was town.

BY DEFINITION she COULDN'T have been playing to a scum win condition.

you got enough people to agree with the (erroneous) opinion that she was scummy to get her lynched.

there's a difference

between that and her being scummy

STOP. SAYING. SHE. WAS. SCUMMY. SHE. WAS. NOT.

[Antihero]

EVEN NOW

even now

the "case" is "here are the actions now let's superimpose a scum motivation without telling everyone why said motivation is more likely than a town one"

that's the case

[Antihero]

If Anti is town and he thought NM is scum, why is he pushing for my lynch today?

you're asking why i'm not pushing the same person as i was day 2 on day 5 and calling me scummy for not doing so?

is that correct?

because that's awful.

[Antihero]

oh if theres 4 scum i know 3 people who will no longer be on the nrg after this

[Antihero]

/sigh

...

jeez...







i fucking suck

[Antihero]

I have a very nasty habit of overcomplicating everything. I was thinking blue_trin was the scum. I am just dumb.

I thought you were trying to look like the King maker and make us fight.

I didn't think GWS was scum: just making bad arguments lol.

I was terrible this game (as usual)

hey

don't judge ppl by if they have a scummies banner or not

to tell you the truth, i just happened to replace into a town that happened to win the scummie. i won because i was in the right place at the right time.

[Antihero]

eh

any moron can get kinda better at something if he does it long enough

[Antihero]

Lesson learn is that even if you have an investigation information you should wait for the person to at least speak his mind. Wifom would definitely be created though, but dier was town.

even if dier was allowed to claim, there really wasn't a scenario where he wasn't getting lynched

[Antihero]

getting roleblocked + no kill
is about on the same level of actionability as getting tracked to a dead body

(i.e. both of these things are pretty much an autolynch)

the only thing that really would've prevented dier's lynch here is if we dropped everything and did a massclaim and saw there were no more town pr's.

[Antihero]

\o/ FA \o/

sorry Postie. You always seem to lose to night actions D:

no cheers for me?

i see how it is rc.

[Antihero]

Its a cheaters way to jump into a slot and see the scum team, and then jump out. If Terminator slot was scum, then that player would have had MOD level of information. If it was the other way, then scums would know one slot isn't town PR.

but you knew the slot wasn't scum

and n_n was occupying the same slot so even if he WAS a terminator alt, how would the game be compromised at all?

.....

i am so confused.

[Antihero]

The game is over, so give it a rest. I don't want to talk about this any further, so if you guys give it a rest, then this discussion would be over on its own. If you dig more, then its on you.

i mean...

the only way your accusation makes sense if is you thought n_n was a postie or lovelygiant alt. did you have reason to think this?

if not then... yeah, n_n is right that you kinda' look like a sore loser.

[Antihero]

i'm not angry... :\

a more accurate descriptor would be "mildly annoyed"