New York 194: Guns N' Roses Mafia! (Day 8)

[Killthestory]

oh it was a joke because the previous posts were ass

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Ness, I know you've played a Newbie and I know your IC was Drixx, so you've been well taught how things work here.

Your comments on the merits of D1 look like nervous-scum. And that's why early D1 is useful.

[N e s s]

Ness, I know you've played a Newbie and I know your IC was Drixx, so you've been well taught how things work here.

Your comments on the merits of D1 look like nervous-scum. And that's why early D1 is useful.

You can go read that whole game then, because I was incredibly confident scum and almost won that game but I dropped out because I had a dirty play, and as selfish as that is, i felt like I didn't deserve the win. I prompt you to go read my whole ISO that game and see the difference in here and then, because i've been subject to D1 lynch for 4 games now, and i've been scum in only 1 of them.

In any words, i'm a living breathing person and its 11:00 PM here with school tomorrow, and i'm too damn tired to eat my wheaties to do shit right now so don't be surprised if you don't get any kind of response to your case on me 10 hours from now.

[iraonavp]

Hey, Mafiaturtle. How are you going to Pressure jam if you aren't voting him?

[iraonavp]

I gotta say Ira's ISO is pretty funny. 4 posts, two blanket votes & a bland statement.

That's not true, my ISO has 7 posts.

[iraonavp]

They [Golden Robster]'re playing with reckless abandonment, way different then the game that just finished that I modded; where GR was Jail Keeper.

This [Killthestory's posts] seems rather fake.

My post wasn't hardly a joke, but the reaction from Story & SirCakez was pretty interesting in that they felt a strong urge or need to respond to it. Hook, line & sinker which could of easily be opportunistic scum trying to jump on something as minor as a reaction test.

Hello again Performer. I would like to see a explanation, even if its a small one; of why you've pigeon holed Boonskies in your first post.

I gotta say Ira's ISO is pretty funny. 4 posts, two blanket votes & a bland statement.

You keep pointing out all these things, but do you actually think that any of these players are scum-aligned? If so, you should vote them.

[Fraggernaut]

Ira, not sure what your play is just yet; but so far it's been pretty awful & borderline scummy.

I typically don't change my vote & move them around often unless I see something that pings out weird to me.

The post you said that you had 7 posts was untrue, that was actually your 6th post in total according to your ISO. Before that

Hello. How's it going, all?

NOW DIE SCUM

VOTE: jam

we will lynch scum

all we need is just a little patients

I think you mean "patience". I do however think you are voting correctly.

VOTE: jam

Are you feeling the pressure, jam?

let's get this straight

this jam wagon sucks

we need to bandwagon boonskiies

because he is most definitely scum here

Upon what metric does the jam wagon suck?

I don't think Boonskiies has done anything alignment indicative so far, and the jam wagon has FIVE TIMES the number of voters.

Furthermore, the jam wagon has Pressure.

VOTE: Fraggernaut

Hey, Mafiaturtle. How are you going to Pressure jam if you aren't voting him?

Most of your ISO consists of a half-hearted attempt to make it look like you're scum hunting on Jam. You are pushing hard for this wagon until you change your vote with a naked vote on myself. After which I think it's weird that you call out Mafiaturtle about pressuring Jam if they're not voting them, when you were one of the main proprietors of the Jam wagon originally and lay a naked vote on me.

VOTE: iraonavp

[iraonavp]

You're reading far too much into my posts.

I've never called out anyone, other than you. I've never been "pushing hard" on any wagon.

[Fraggernaut]

The quotes from you beg to differ though.

[iraonavp]

Mafiaturtle, you should vote Fraggernaut with me. I don't think he's really feeling the Pressure.

[iraonavp]

The quotes from you beg to differ though.

???

[Egg]

Boon, you said jam was probably scum but are still voting Rob. Is this intentional?

I can support the defensiveness arguement against Ness, but I'm worried about a bias I may have because of his stance that Day 1 is all BS. I've mislynched people before because I thought they obviously couldn't honestly believe that, but I've since been trying to accept that people somehow do. Still, it's weird to be so defensive when he claims he wouldn't even need to respond because Day 1 attacks are apparently always baseless.

Something smart, I don't RQS. I have reasons for those questions, but like I said I want his answer first and your cutting in is actually rubbing me the wrong way. And I now see he answered. If he gave a different answer for each question, especially a high one to getting his PM and low after being wagoned, it may have been telling as far as his alignment. I don't want to acknowledge how a power role might answer, but I understand your concern and briefly considered it before deciding it wasn't very risky. As for jam's specific answer, meh. It's pretty hard to get anything from that. If he was excited coming in though, that first post might not be so bad. The "what did I do" tell may be the worst thing he's actually done so far. The "I know 100% I'm town" line feels genuine from a new player though so I don't think I'll be joining that wagon. What are your thoughts on pisskop drawing a claim from bugs?

If anyone is wondering, I still like my vote. Just nothing to add about it unfortunately.

[Axl_Rose]

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With 21 Alive, it's 11 to Lynch!

Mod Notes:

"Welcome to the Jungle"

• (0)
  Boonskiies
  —
  (0)
  Ozgin
  —
  (0)
  Kop
  —
  (0)
  Killthestory
  —
  
  (3)
  N e s s
  — Ilikebugs, Killthestory, KickAssAndGiggle
  (0)
  pisskop
  —
  (0)
  Performer
  —
  (0)
  Mafiaturtle
  —
  (0)
  Ilikebugs
  —
  
  (1)
  SirCakez
  — Creature
  
  (1)
  Creature
  — Egg
  (0)
  GuyFawkes
  —
  (0)
  Something_Smart
  —
  (0)
  Egg
  —
  (0)
  Slandaar
  —
  
  (4)
  jam
  — SirCakez, pisskop, GuyFawkes, Ozgin
  
  (1)
  iraonavp
  — Fraggernaut
  
  (1)
  Golden Robster
  — Boonskiies
  (0)
  KickAssAndGiggle
  —
  
  (2)
  Fraggernaut
  — Golden Robster, iraonavp
  (0)
  SnarkySnowman
  —
  
  (8)
  [Not Voting]
  —
  Kop, Performer, SnarkySnowman, Slandaar, jam, N e s s, Something_Smart, Mafiaturtle

- (expired on 2016-04-12 23:00:32) -

[SirCakez]

Ahhh this game exploded. Catching up now.

[SirCakez]

Also before I forget this doesn't seem to be serving much of any purpose at the moment.

UNVOTE:

Why unvote here? Use your vote!

[SirCakez]

About Kill's rage posts - he always plays liie that town or scum, so I wouldn't call it alignment indicative.

[SirCakez]

I don't know what I've done that's alignment-indicative. If you see something, point it out. To me, scum is most likely to be everyone who hasn't posted yet.

His entrance was awkward, and then this is weird logic.
Plus his wagon actually has pressure.

Answered it here Frag.

[SirCakez]

Gonna take my vote off Jam.
UNVOTE:

Also @killstory what were you talking about when you asked what you had read?

Also why unvote here?

[SirCakez]

OK caught up. I think Ness is townie here, he reminds me of how I react when I get wagoned early as town.
Iroa I could see a case for but want to see Frag finish interacting with him first.

[Something_Smart]

In response to Performer: 22 seemed like unnecessary qualification to join an RVS wagon. I didn't see the point of 23 and I thought it was to encourage that wagon or try to get jam to say something scummy.

I have KAAG, Egg, Killthestory and jam in my town pile atm. KAAG for his push on Ness and blatantly asking people to follow him. Egg because his analysis in 161 of Ness and of jam basically sums up my thoughts and it's unlikely those thoughts would come from scum. Killthestory because all of his reactions and comments feel super genuine and unfakeable. Jam because his posts read newbtown who doesn't realize that his wagon is not serious.

I have conflicting feelings about Ness and Fragger. Like Egg said his whole "day 1 in unimportant" stance could just be a personal opinion (and if anybody has played with Kaboose they know what I'm talking about), and he does feel a little like frustrated town being wagoned. But his play has been super opportunistic and defensive in a way that I think town would have stopped trying to defend himself and started scumhunting. Fragger is a similar way except he hasn't received much pressure for it. He made his weird 79 which he later admitted was a reaction test, but he seemed unable to draw any conclusions from it. When I pressed him about it he responded "day one is day one" and that there's not much to analyze. That said I do like his push on ira and it really doesn't feel like a bus.

Ira is leaning scum mostly for the reasons Fragger described, and everything he says feels awkward and forced. I also don't like GuyFawkes, particularly 127 which feels like coaching/buddying and either assuming Ness is town or trying to get him to do something that will get him scumread.

I already explained my Robster townread. Everyone else is null right now. Including pisskop (in response to Egg); I think him asking bugs for a claim is typical pisskop and not indicative of alignment.

[Slandaar]

Hey Slandaar. It's been explained by Boonskie (#75) & Egg (#99), & I think I get what they're trying to explain. I think I would compare it to say video mafia which I have more experience in, where a scum is more likely to say "what do you want from me" or something along them lines to appeal to town or to try to seem town after a possible slip or something weird that they've said.

I wanted to know your opinion now it has been explained. You somewhat agree?

BZZZZ. Wrong.

Actually he is right.

What do you think a vote on some random person for a pointless reason is doing?
(I see this is covered later somewhat)

Hmm . That was RVS, how did you develop an opinion on those 2 posts so quickly?

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Slandaar,

What reason is there not to have an RVS vote on when it's 11 to lynch?

Reactions to RVS votes, and the way the RVS reasons are phrased, is the way I see most games move into the proper nitty-gritty. How would you move the game forward, if you disagree?

[Aeronaut]

Kop and SnarkySnowman have yet to post; Im going to prod them. If they don't answer, I'll just immediately begin looking for replacements.

[Golden Robster]

i have balanced all
brought all to mind

and we should now bandwagon

VOTE: Slandaar

[Creature]

Here I am.