Newbie 1691 - Game Over

[Eggman]

Ugh, I was writing a post and my iPad died in the middle of it. I'll try to recreate it.
(Also, happy Trickster Day!)

[YawningAngel]

I just googled "angry drunk man", seemed the best result.

I worked with a really funny guy at my first "proper job", about 14 years ago now, who noticed that there would always be one obnoxious drunk in every pub who was guaranteed to say both the following in one night:

"Are you looking at my bird?"

"Did you spill my pint?"

He thought it would save him time to just go:

"Are you looking at my pint?"

I laughed my ass off and it's stuck with me ever since!

If I ever graduate to drinking anywhere other than the SU I'll remember it

[mhsmith0]

Three hours left until hammer time.

[mhsmith0]

VOTE: Ircher

Notes:

1) In terms of letting the deadline slip, there were a few things I was interested in seeing:

A) Would there be any kind of meaningful rescue effort of Ircher?
B) Would YA hammer? And if so, what reasons would he offer?
C) Would Ircher actually say or do anything that might either create a last second town read or (much likelier) implicate his scum-buddy?
D) Would anyone else say or do anything that made a meaningful alignment impact?

Overall, a lot of players have kind of lived in the null space this game (and KAAG's seemingly wishy-washy day 2 has put him back into that group as well), and an extended climax at least had the potential to give us something interesting. Instead it really didn't. Alas.


2) In terms of reads, presuming Ircher is scum (and his lack of interesting posting after it was clear he's doomed only strengthens my read), the only person who I flat-out can't read as his scum-buddy is Summer. HBG was absentee, and Ircher wasn't really all that involved, which means that if Summer was scum-buddy, she was flying solo most of the time, including (IIRC) her fight with UTL. If she was able to look THAT town as newb scum without any help, especially in that moment... then she completely deserves the win. As for the others, I'll re-evaluate on D3.

[Ircher]

I stand where I was.

Plus you know full and well Ive been busy.

You can hammer whenever.

[mhsmith0]

Hammer is done. If you have any last words, please share. I'm pretty sure I didn't misread you, but it's not like I've never been wrong before.

[Ircher]

Yes, lynch Egg tomorrow. Ive already outlined why.

Also, if we still have an investigative, they should roleclaim tomorrow as they will be limited use afterward.

[mhsmith0]

If we are actually going to be in LYLO/MYLO (I still think not but I guess we'll see), then I'd say the following:

1) NO ONE QUICK VOTE. DO FOS OR THE LIKE. A BAD QUICK VOTE LEADS TO TWO SCUM ON WAGON LEADS TO GG AND SCUM SWEEP.

2) We probably need to have everyone role claim. This should be in order of most to least suspicious. My suggestion would that everyone picks whoever they think is LEAST suspicious and that person gets to make the list of who has to claim in which order. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise though; what is the proper LYLO strategy is a useful discussion to have if/when we're actually in it.

[YawningAngel]

Welp, I tried

[YawningAngel]

I'm pretty damn sure Ircher is going to flip town

[mhsmith0]

I'm pretty damn sure Ircher is going to flip town

Because ____?

[Ircher]

If we are actually going to be in LYLO/MYLO (I still think not but I guess we'll see), then I'd say the following:

1) NO ONE QUICK VOTE. DO FOS OR THE LIKE. A BAD QUICK VOTE LEADS TO TWO SCUM ON WAGON LEADS TO GG AND SCUM SWEEP.

2) We probably need to have everyone role claim. This should be in order of most to least suspicious. My suggestion would that everyone picks whoever they think is LEAST suspicious and that person gets to make the list of who has to claim in which order. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise though; what is the proper LYLO strategy is a useful discussion to have if/when we're actually in it.

Since I'm flipping, let me make that list:

KAAG
mhsmith0
SIW
YA
Shannon
Egg.

Whoops, thats opposite; flip it.

[Ircher]

So, role claim in this order:

Egg
Shannon
YA
SIW
mhsmith0
KAAG

[mhsmith0]

If Ircher is actually town (and the fact that he's doing this post hammer makes me rethink things a bit), I guess my best guess at a scum team is Egg+YA, with YA both bussing Egg and expressing legit frustration at the way scum chat has been going.

But that's really just a guess at this point. However the flip goes, there's a lot of re-reading that needs to be done.

[Eggman]

I already did. I'm a VT.

[Ircher]

@Egg Really? You had to remind them?

[Ircher]

And again,

Do not vote in LyLo. Scum can take the opportunity to possibly hammer during that time. Vote only at concensus (deadline).

[KickAssAndGiggle]

VOTE: Ircher

Notes:

1) In terms of letting the deadline slip, there were a few things I was interested in seeing:

A) Would there be any kind of meaningful rescue effort of Ircher?
B) Would YA hammer? And if so, what reasons would he offer?
C) Would Ircher actually say or do anything that might either create a last second town read or (much likelier) implicate his scum-buddy?
D) Would anyone else say or do anything that made a meaningful alignment impact?

Overall, a lot of players have kind of lived in the null space this game (and KAAG's seemingly wishy-washy day 2 has put him back into that group as well), and an extended climax at least had the potential to give us something interesting. Instead it really didn't. Alas.


2) In terms of reads, presuming Ircher is scum (and his lack of interesting posting after it was clear he's doomed only strengthens my read), the only person who I flat-out can't read as his scum-buddy is Summer. HBG was absentee, and Ircher wasn't really all that involved, which means that if Summer was scum-buddy, she was flying solo most of the time, including (IIRC) her fight with UTL. If she was able to look THAT town as newb scum without any help, especially in that moment... then she completely deserves the win. As for the others, I'll re-evaluate on D3.

Quoting this because I need to respond to it in depth tomorrow. But I'll say on thing in response to point 2 now: scum never deserves to win until they've won. If Ircher flips town, I'll be resetting everyone to Null. SIW has been in on the ground-floor of both lynches: if Ircher does flip scum then A-OK but if not, we'd be mad not to at least look.

And again,

Do not vote in LyLo. Scum can take the opportunity to possibly hammer during that time. Vote only at concensus (deadline).

Echoing for truth. Sorry Ircher (I assume you're flipping town now).

[mhsmith0]

Quoting this because I need to respond to it in depth tomorrow. But I'll say on thing in response to point 2 now: scum never deserves to win until they've won. If Ircher flips town, I'll be resetting everyone to Null. SIW has been in on the ground-floor of both lynches: if Ircher does flip scum then A-OK but if not, we'd be mad not to at least look.

Yeah if Ircher is town then I'd agree that EVERYONE needs to be looked at with fresh eyes. If he's scum then I'll still be looking at SIW, but she'd be less of a priority than the other slots based on what I've seen so far.

[Ircher]

@KAAG Now you understand what I mean to an extent about my mislynch rep.

So, for tommorrow: Roleclaim, analyze investigative results (if any) and then pressure Egg in to participating much more. He's still kinda sliding by imho.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

@KAAG Now you understand what I mean to an extent about my mislynch rep.

It sucks getting pushed to claim as a VT because how do you survive it? I'm going to have to be fair to smith/SIW here though: I saw enough in the case to not try and stop it. I'm afraid it was the interaction with Thor and the shannon vote on D1 that made it credible for me.

Now I'm sure you're flipping town, that Eggman post where he put YA bottom but voted you seems horrible.

In case I die tonight, the person I'd most like to see lynched at this point is Eggman. There's surely scum on the D2 wagon, and his vote was yuck.

No point in a full read-list: everyone is Null now other than him.

[mhsmith0]

If it's egg +x, any thoughts on x? Or just too early?

[Ircher]

I'm nulling my Shannon read, so quite frankly, YA, Shannon, or even SIW could be Eggs partner. KAAG & smith might be too, but I find it less likely.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

I'd need to re-read...one things for sure, we're not going to find many associations with that slot: 1071 posts in this thread and Eggman's made just 23 of them.

Super sketchy opinions:

YA: has pushed him like a beast all game, normally I'd say over-the-top for bussing in a Newbie but who knows what scum topic looks like? Not ruling him out.
SIW: has come across very towny, but hasn't even seemed to consider lynching Eggman at all. Not ruling her out.
You: the same as SIW, although you I think said he looked like "newb town". Not ruling you out.
shannon: also said he's more likely newb town, gave the VT claim as a reason to vote Ircher instead. Not ruling her out.

So...yes, in short, too early.

Ircher, if you're still around, do you still like this post?

yea that is totally understandable!
but we need to try to find the motive behind actions.
what is the motive? why is the buddy okay with this? and so on.
I think these are important questions to be asking.
we don't have to be looking for a particular scum buddy BUT if he is scum we know he has one.
since you are pushing this case I want to know what you think about it! so possible motive, scumbuddy ect?

My guess for a buddy is in {mhsmith, shannon} tbh.

Mhsmith has the possible assoc. for pushing my lynch which Egg is the counterwagon to. I highly doubt that the scumteam is YA/Egg. And SIW doesn't really fit in all, but I gotta keep an eye there. KAAG I still extremely townread & just don't see scum there.

PEdit: aha, thanks Ircher.

[Jackal711]

VOTE COUNT 2.Final

SummerInWonderland (0) -
YawningAngel (0) -
mhsmith0 (0) -
shannon (0) -
Eggman (2) - YawningAngel, Ircher
Ircher (4) - Eggman, SummerInWonderland, shannon, mhsmith0 (LYNCH)
KickAssAndGiggle (0) -

Not Voting: KickAssAndGiggle

With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

Ircher,

Vanilla Townie

has been lynched.

Night 2 deadline is Sunday, April 3rd 2016 at 6:05 pm PDT or in (expired on 2016-04-03 18:05:00)