Mini 1780 - camn's apartment 2 - Finale

[DO NOT TALK TO US]

I told lalaladucks to find all the scum and then post in thread about it. She agreed to it, but in hindsight I think she might have misheard me...

[DO NOT TALK TO US]

I forgot to ask her what she thought about Performer I've been avoiding having anything in the way of a read on him because ducks had him as strong town earlier and I already kinda felt like I was monopolizing the hydra...

Also ducks = me on shrooms is a good description, ty Fate...

[Aiden Stark]

If ygs is going to be town they should be allowed to play to their new wincon.

Directing their kill is unnescessary as they wouldnt be a threat.



somebody tell me how they would be obligated to play to an SK wincon tonight.

I doubt that they would be obligated to play to the SK wincon tonight. Every SK that I can remember (a few, though on a different site) had a wincon that was stated in such a way that they could play to win as a SK, or play to the conversion, even before the actual conversion took place.

However, if that's not the case here, I fully agree with Nacho. We are going to have to lynch YGS.

- Xk

[DO NOT TALK TO US]

Well, if the action occurs after shooting, which is something I might just ask via pm, then sure.

The action does occur after shooting.

[Aiden Stark]

And directing their kill is completely necessary, if we can.

- Xk

[Davsto]

@mod - does this game use Natural Action Resolution for actions?

[pisskop]

Misc typically falls under 'after'.

I would actually prefer you ask

'would a hypothetical converter-role suceed in target conversion even if they died that same night?'

[Davsto]

Killing doesn't stop the actions of the dead player. (Imagine that all kills happen at the end of the night, and everyone pulls the trigger simultaneously.) This means that kills generally do not affect other actions for the purpose of the Golden Rule.

[Davsto]

Wait I just read on and afterwards it mentions recruitment which this essentially is

Ugh

[Davsto]

@camn if a Psychiatrist targets a Serial Killer who, on the same night, is attempting to kill the Psychiatrist, what results would occur regarding death and conversion?

[ProHawk]

Willing to die but then trying to direct the kill? Maybe I'm reading it wrong...

Also, I'm just going to come out and say this because I have had my name floated as a kill candidate. You prob shouldn't kill me.

If you're willing to soft claim, you might as well full claim.

Ya, Nope.

[Performer]

VOTE: prohawk

Will be following up when i get off work and am at a comp.

*this message was brought to you by phone

[Tiresias]

Recruitment happens after killing, so yes, YGS's kill would go through.

Recruitment happens after killing, so yes, YGS's kill would go through.

Recruitment happens after killing, so yes, YGS's kill would go through.

Recruitment happens after killing, so yes, YGS's kill would go through.

Recruitment happens after killing, so yes, YGS's kill would go through.

Recruitment happens after killing, so yes, YGS's kill would go through.

Recruitment happens after killing, so yes, YGS's kill would go through.

Recruitment happens after killing, so yes, YGS's kill would go through.

[Tiresias]

@mod - does this game use Natural Action Resolution for actions?

Can you answer my questions and explain why you think that I would lie about when my ability resolves despite finding it very very likely that I am telling the truth about possessing it?

[Davsto]

Because

If you're telling the truth about how your action resolves, you have a great reason to not be shot by YGS

If you're lying, then you have no reason not to be shot other than YGS' own judgement

That's why you might be lying about how it resolves.

[Davsto]

It's starting to sound more and more like you're worrying you'll be found out to be lying

[Tiresias]

I think what you're probably picking up on is frustration that we got off to a great start and yet town is apparently only concerned with derailing itself on the stupidest shit imaginable.

[Tiresias]

Oh and still no wagons forming.

Scum paradise this is. But y'all just chugga along, doing what ya gotta do, and when you wanna actually start progressing the game.

Come find me.

Can I ask why you're complaining about the lack of wagons and the lack of progression without any attempt to, you know, actually do either of those things in your post.

If you're gonna bitch about a problem, don't be the one helping to cause it.

Plus, we

do

have over a week left. Don't sweat it.

Why didn't you vote YGS here?

So YGS probably is an SK because I doubt camn would pull the same "psych but no sk" twice

Or Tire isn't a psych but that seems a bizarre fakeclaim with little prompting

What is your read on us?

Yeah, I think that's the problem with self-meta. It's not scummy, just unreliable; as true as the meta may be, the fact that the player is aware of their own meta in a certain area makes it immediately unreliable.

I'm not sure if I'd be able to count the number of times I brought up me being crap as scum in Paint Mafia as a point.

I don't scumread people for self-meta, but I ignore any advice it gives

What is your read on Marquis?

These are the questions I'm waiting for answers for, by the way.

[Davsto]

yeah it's 11 PM over here give me until the morning thanks

[Tiresias]

I think what you're probably picking up on is frustration that we got off to a great start and yet town is apparently only concerned with derailing itself on the stupidest shit imaginable.

And, because this came out more harshly than I thought it was, I'll expand on it a little:

If I lie about how my role works, I am confirmed scum.
If recruiting resolved before killing, then YGS still couldn't promise to shoot me; only an alive Tiresias can verify whether they've healed YGS or not, meaning the scum motivation that you assigned to me lying about how my role works make absolutely zero sense.

Thus, instead of focusing on anything relevant, you're double checking real quick to make sure that I didn't lie about something I have no reason to lie about. Can you see why I would be annoyed?

[Davsto]

only an alive Tiresias can verify whether they've healed YGS or not,

But you're obviously not going to intentionally target someone else. Why would you need to be alive to testify that? Sure, you could have been roleblocked or redirected, but you wouldn't know that, whether you were dead or not.

[You Got Schooled]

So I'mma just post here to tell y'all once again that we are a vig. Not a SK. A Vig.

I hope I have made that perfectly clear.

[pisskop]

inb4 we have an sk and a vig

[camn]

Hey guys!
I wandered into the bathroom there looking for Kahlan.. and I found kuribo instead! weirdest thing.
I guess he is OK to party with us.

--kuribo replaces Kahlan immediately.

--We use Natural Action Resolution, and healing an SK would be treated as recruitment. As such, kills come first.
--apparently we use it poorly. But kills come first!

[camn]

VOTE COUNT 1 . 13

• Antihero
  ---------- 0 ( )
  L- 7
  
  
  Performer
  --------- 4 ( pisskop, Fate, ProHawk, Aiden Stark, )
  L- 3
  
  
  pisskop
  ----------- 1 ( DO NOT TALK TO US, )
  L- 6
  
  
  Aiden Stark
  ------- 0 ( )
  L- 7
  
  
  ProHawk
  ----------- 2 ( kuribo, Performer, )
  L- 5
  
  
  kuribo
  ------------ 0 ( )
  L- 7
  
  
  You Got Schooled
  -- 2 ( Davsto, Tiresias, )
  L- 5
  
  
  Marquis
  ----------- 0 ( )
  L- 7
  
  
  DO NOT TALK TO US
  - 0 ( )
  L- 7
  
  
  Fate
  -------------- 0 ( )
  L- 7
  
  
  Tiresias
  ---------- 2 ( Antihero, You Got Schooled, )
  L- 5
  
  
  Davsto
  ------------ 0 ( )
  L- 7
  
  
  
  Not Voting
  - 1 ( Marquis, )
  

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to SUMMON CAMN'S WRATH
Deadline is in (expired on 2016-04-11 12:00:00)