dats cute.In post 270, Minsc and Boo wrote:@Gork, OK but if you don't scumhunt me soon. We're going to have problems.
this is probably the first and last time i will address a point wall, especially when it appears that youre more interested in attacking semantics over the nice juicy details of what i was talking about here.In post 241, Fire Assassin wrote:1) So you are just calling me weird. That isn't news to me. Meh
2) You are not a easy push? I didn't realize this as all. Call me arrogant, but I think I can push whoever if I was scum. With different levels of success but still I could push you if I wanted to, but I was thinking I had good portion of you that I didn't need to look more at you. Your responses as of late have registered you as one my strongest town reads. Which I find funny.
3) I usually don't pressure people to answer my questions. If I do, I am interested if not I am genuinely just trying to create discussion or legitimately don't care. Glad you picked up on the last part, but me not trying to solve the game is different.
4) How does it not look legitimate? They threw AtE at me, I still have them at null for it. The reaction was pretty over the top for them, but I could see it from either alignment. I want to go away from reading people by emotions, which is kind of my strong suit, going to try see reason based or some people call mechanical reads.
5) So you don't know how to put what you saw into words. Great. Don't know how this makes me scum, but again another great town tell.
In post 240, Gorkington wrote:okay fire assassin you get some homework.
i want a readslist.
and i want you to give one sentence explanations for each read.
if you dont do this then you get to be the day one lynch.
In post 241, Fire Assassin wrote:In post 203, Gorkington wrote:so heres fire assassin in a nutshell and why you should vote for him.
i) opening vote is on me.
starts as RVS.
he then tries to weirdly justify it with easy reasoning.
not a big deal, but it gave me gutfeels that he felt nervous about sitting on an unexplained vote, which feels scummy in my heart.
ii) transition onto nahdia/beeboy hydra is wonky and easy. he abandons the vote on me for what amounts to "these posts look weird" which is meh. what bothers me is that it feels like hes registered that im not an easy push at this point. specifics here being:
this is his follow-up to me ignoring his questions.fire wrote:I find this strange you have so many reads this early into the game.
I guess they are mostly 'leans' so, not really strong so its w/e.
where other people are prickled by me doing this, he backs off, hedges and waffles. it just doesnt seem like a real genuine "im trying to figure out who scum is"-reaction and instead just kind of looks to me like "how do i push someone and not get flack for it here/how do i explain what ive done so far in a way that wont get me in trouble?"
this does not look like a genuine reaction to someone hes voting/calling scummy.fire assassin wrote:You realize your hostility isn't going to help anyone read you right? Its all AtE, which can be either alignment. I am willing to have a conversation with you, but if all your going to do is throw emotional posts like this, we can't have a discussion and I will have to ignore you.
the entire mindset of this post just screams to me of scum not knowing how to deal with someone hardpushing them for reasons that they dont understand.In post 188, Fire Assassin wrote:Why does this sound like you are lining up both associations and lynches before we even have a single flip. This is disgusting on so many levels, its more likely to come from bad town than scum though.
im struggling a little trying to articulate exactly why this post is bothering me so much. i think its mostly that i cant see the town incentive in simultaneously hedging on calling me scummy/calling me bad town to discredit me without committing to pushing me. im kind of hoping if i draw attention to it, someone smarter than me will look at it and see what im seeing and put it into real words.
part of what also bugs me about this, is that he says "time to find scum!", calls me bad town, and then goes on to basically ask me a bunch of questions. does not feel like genuine scumhunting methinks.
there you go. having all of that time to make up these reasons really helped. thanks for letting me stall ircher.
Finally going to address this. Not breaking up quote just going in numbers...hope that won't confuse.
1) So you are just calling me weird. That isn't news to me. Meh
In post 241, Fire Assassin wrote:
2) You are not a easy push? I didn't realize this as all. Call me arrogant, but I think I can push whoever if I was scum. With different levels of success but still I could push you if I wanted to, but I was thinking I had good portion of you that I didn't need to look more at you. Your responses as of late have registered you as one my strongest town reads. Which I find funny.
In post 241, Fire Assassin wrote:
3) I usually don't pressure people to answer my questions. If I do, I am interested if not I am genuinely just trying to create discussion or legitimately don't care. Glad you picked up on the last part, but me not trying to solve the game is different.
In post 241, Fire Assassin wrote:
4) How does it not look legitimate? They threw AtE at me, I still have them at null for it. The reaction was pretty over the top for them, but I could see it from either alignment. I want to go away from reading people by emotions, which is kind of my strong suit, going to try see reason based or some people call mechanical reads.
In post 241, Fire Assassin wrote:
5) So you don't know how to put what you saw into words. Great. Don't know how this makes me scum, but again another great town tell.
[url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7821002#p7821002]post 241[/url], Fire Assassin wrote:
If this is all there is on me, I pray for the towns future.
In post 244, Xkfyu wrote:In post 223, androgybee wrote:^ ~Nahdia
also im kind of wishy-washy on my Xkfyu read tbh. i didn't out it since i wanted to talk it over with my other head but basically Xkfyu felt kind of different here from elsewhere ive played with him (kind of more jovial/peppy?) and i was sort of thinking it might be kind of an overcompensation for him not wanting to play scum so i kind of had a scumread on him? but catching up i did actually like his posts since i tended to agree with the things he was saying. but it's possible the points were really obvious ones to make. idk. wary of that slot in particular. just wanted to tack this one cuz it didn't really have any place in the catchup post
~Nahdia
I LOVE playing scum, by the way.
In post 251, Gorkington wrote:like seriously, im driving the biggest wagon in the game right now with the best-made case. tomorrow i'll pick at fire's response to it. and then i'll probably drive the game some more. does it bother you that youre impressively uninfluential when youre trying so hard while a buffoon who doesnt use proper grammar and posts sarcastically 90% of the time is?
In post 261, Gorkington wrote:is that self-assured bad-old-town or scum though not-maf? because the vitriol reads more like wrong than intentional to me.
also, in other news, aristo is slightly leaning town.
itd be awesome if this turned into a POE game.
In post 281, Gorkington wrote:this is probably the first and last time i will address a point wall, especially when it appears that youre more interested in attacking semantics over the nice juicy details of what i was talking about here.In post 241, Fire Assassin wrote:1) So you are just calling me weird. That isn't news to me. Meh
2) You are not a easy push? I didn't realize this as all. Call me arrogant, but I think I can push whoever if I was scum. With different levels of success but still I could push you if I wanted to, but I was thinking I had good portion of you that I didn't need to look more at you. Your responses as of late have registered you as one my strongest town reads. Which I find funny.
3) I usually don't pressure people to answer my questions. If I do, I am interested if not I am genuinely just trying to create discussion or legitimately don't care. Glad you picked up on the last part, but me not trying to solve the game is different.
4) How does it not look legitimate? They threw AtE at me, I still have them at null for it. The reaction was pretty over the top for them, but I could see it from either alignment. I want to go away from reading people by emotions, which is kind of my strong suit, going to try see reason based or some people call mechanical reads.
5) So you don't know how to put what you saw into words. Great. Don't know how this makes me scum, but again another great town tell.
dont really care about first three points. only thing i will say is that me saying im hard to push is probably admittedly just me being arrogant so that point was probably silly.
four is pretty bah. if youre voting for someone, it doesnt seem real that your response to them getting angry at you didnt have any measure of skepticism. like your response was 100% believing them and trying to defuse their anger. which is fair, but i think its more likely that youre scum having trouble dealing with the emotions than town in that reaction. like, i get that youve got this whole "im mechanically analyzing people"-thing going here, but i just dont believe it?
and five is actively awful. i put it into words and made other coherent points based around it, such as the fact that your supposed "scumhunting" was just asking me questions despite me being one of your biggest townreads.
sorry bub.
not convinced.
In post 289, Not_Mafia wrote:Why are you giving your scumread play advice?
what happens if fire assassin flips scum?In post 290, Ircher wrote:Reads should be 85% objective and 15% subjective imo.
In post 295, Gorkington wrote:what happens if fire assassin flips scum?In post 290, Ircher wrote:Reads should be 85% objective and 15% subjective imo.
do you bow down to my greatness?
and call me your master?
