Mini 1781: Plotinus Mafia: Game Over

[Ether]

Day 1, Votecount 21

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4 Fire Assassin (Gorkington, Aristophanes, Minsc and Boo, Not_Mafia)
3 Minsc and Boo (Fire Assassin, Xkfyu, chamber)
1 ActionDan (Iecerint)
1 androgybee (ActionDan)
1 chamber (Roshar)
1 Ircher (Maruchan)
1 Maruchan (Ircher)
1 Xkfyu (androgybee)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
The deadline is in (expired on 2016-04-20 09:00:00), or on Wednesday, April 20th at 9:00 am EDT.

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[Roshar]

Yo beeboy! It's been a while, looking forward to seeing your new and improved playstyle : ) ( hopefully it doesn't include tunneling me all game? : P Good times)

he's scum, but he's appearing to look town by doing something town

That's not what I said. Scum try to appear town looking, this means doing things that are lightly protown (like giving a town read). That looked to me like scum giving a town read not like town giving a town read.

And how does one differentiate between the two? Esp in such an early post.

Not nearly as much to catch up on from the weekend as I expected. I guess everyone else had a busy weekend too.

Anyways, I'm still leaning scum on Maruchan. I'm also thinking that Roshar is scum based on his over exaggeration of my stance on Maruchan.

I don't like the Fire Assassin wagon, though. I think Gork is probably town, but

if I'm right about Fire Assassin being town, then I think Aristophanes and M&B are decent picks for scum.

I also think Ircher is probably town.

her* You're like the 5th person now. /sigh

Over-exaggeration? Is it not a concern to feel like a vote was contrived b/c of it's timing, knowing that you were there when maru posted that enormous wall? Knowing that you had been getting some pressure from gorke about when you plan on changing your vote?

Now in your defense, you were indeed engaged in discourse with gorke. Which is why I left it. But, one can't help but notice that you were getting pressured to move your vote off Smudger. And how easy it was to make a case on Maru for his literal view of Gorke's statement.

Can you explain the bold statement more thoroughly please?

Also, same question as Gorke, which points did you find you related to with fire assassin?

not sure i understand this?

You had asked Chamber which points he related to with fire assassin. I also wanted this answered.

@Fire assassin

, talk to me about why you think Chamber is town. Xfyu too if you can.

[chamber]

And how does one differentiate between the two? Esp in such an early post.

How early a post is doesn't matter if you are viewing it in isolation? Also, how does one do any scumhunting? If you don't think there are qualitative differences between scum and town play, don't play the game?

[chamber]

Guys, I still like a boo lynch better than fire, but can we find a third option? I'm starting to have my doubts.

[Xkfyu]

In post 452, Xkfyu wrote:
Not nearly as much to catch up on from the weekend as I expected. I guess everyone else had a busy weekend too.

Anyways, I'm still leaning scum on Maruchan. I'm also thinking that Roshar is scum based on his over exaggeration of my stance on Maruchan.

I don't like the Fire Assassin wagon, though. I think Gork is probably town, but if I'm right about Fire Assassin being town, then I think Aristophanes and M&B are decent picks for scum.

I also think Ircher is probably town.


her* You're like the 5th person now. /sigh

Over-exaggeration? Is it not a concern to feel like a vote was contrived b/c of it's timing, knowing that you were there when maru posted that enormous wall? Knowing that you had been getting some pressure from gorke about when you plan on changing your vote?

Now in your defense, you were indeed engaged in discourse with gorke. Which is why I left it. But, one can't help but notice that you were getting pressured to move your vote off Smudger. And how easy it was to make a case on Maru for his literal view of Gorke's statement.

Can you explain the bold statement more thoroughly please?

*Her. Sorry, didn't notice.

You seem to be under the impression that the timing of my vote had anything to do with the "pressure" from others for me to move my vote. However, that's not the case. Gork and I were in our conversation before Maru even made his post. Just because a couple of posts were made concerning why I hadn't moved my vote doesn't mean that that's why I moved. I would have moved my vote regardless of any pressure to do so.

The bold part can be explained by my 468.

[Xkfyu]

Guys, I still like a boo lynch better than fire, but can we find a third option? I'm starting to have my doubts.

Who would be your third option?

[Gorkington]

I'll save you the trouble. I'm like this as town more often than as scum but can fake it as scum for short periods.

thank you.
~

i really want someone to be exciting.

[Gorkington]

First thing next morning.

You just wait for me y'hear?




I'm coming

liar.

[Roshar]

@Chamber, Looking back at it, I believe Action Dan had given his read on Davsto first. So, in that regard, Androgy post didn't bring anything original. Second point in her post as well was recycled. Don't know how in ISO this stood out to you, but within context it actually looks like a 'blending in' post.

Don't get offensive.


@Xfyu,

I agree that Aristophanes vote on Fire was RSV, and somehow remained on Fire. None of his catch up held any weight.

Minsc and Boo I'm gonna have to ISO.




VOTE: Aristophanes

[Gorkington]

You had asked Chamber which points he related to with fire assassin. I also wanted this answered.

oh and i suppose this was a thing.
not sure why youre asking me this?
i think fire assassin is scum.
why would you want to know what points of his i agree with?

[Gorkington]

also aristophanes lynch probably isnt going to happen today.
sorry.

[Gorkington]

wait no i understand now.
zzzzzz.
words are hard.
nvm my question above.

[Maruchan]

so I had a huge long post, then the DOD Firewall temporarily blocking access to MS ate it.

Basically showed how ircher's two most recent posts are even worse, and we should all lynch him, and responded to iece's comment about davsto sayign davsto wasnt towny enough to outdo the scummyness or ircher, and pointed out how if davsto had been scum, it coudl explain his earlier claim of a non-plotinus role, as scum are less likely to worry, due to lack of probability of being night killed.

so yeah

ircherscum
lynch it with fire

he's literall y to lazy to even read the game or play it or give us a definitive time when he'll stop being lazy.

(also f you dod level enterprise server firewall)

[Gorkington]

davsto would then also have to explain lategame why hes still alive in spite of being a claimed PR.
the logic goes both ways.

[Not_Mafia]

Sorry, got the flu and starting a new job today, nothing has happened to really change my scumreads on FA AND Smudger slot.

talk at me.
about what you dont like about it.
is it the composition or fa reading town to you?

I don't follow the question, I was calling Fire scum

so I had a huge long post, then the DOD Firewall temporarily blocking access to MS ate it.

Basically showed how ircher's two most recent posts are even worse, and we should all lynch him, and responded to iece's comment about davsto sayign davsto wasnt towny enough to outdo the scummyness or ircher, and pointed out how if davsto had been scum, it coudl explain his earlier claim of a non-plotinus role, as scum are less likely to worry, due to lack of probability of being night killed.

so yeah

ircherscum
lynch it with fire

he's literall y to lazy to even read the game or play it or give us a definitive time when he'll stop being lazy.

(also f you dod level enterprise server firewall)

So lazy is autoscum? My gut still says town on you but do you really think this after 5 years on site?

Still think smudger slot is scum, chamber is definitely posting, but I find none of it compelling, just looks like going through the motions

[Gorkington]

I don't follow the question, I was calling Fire scum

^was supposed to be an xkfyu quote q.q i failed horribly.

[Maruchan]

davsto would then also have to explain lategame why hes still alive in spite of being a claimed PR.
the logic goes both ways.

easy, he links to http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... 2015_Games and says to take a look at Tarrot uPick II, Mini 1687 Refraction, or links to http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... 2016_Games and says to look at Blitz 21 Hope Plus One. Then explains 3 of 27 roles, means one in 9 roels are docs, using just that without any sense of balance, we could have as many as two doctors if the mod just rolled the dice on game creation, then adding in thoughs of a moderator who isn't Bastard!Mod, and who can design a balanced setup, and you factor in with three possible doc roles, there is very likely to be a protectorate role in this game.


(and now since I said all of that, ircher will use it if still alive tomorrow)

There is also Mini 1675, where The Mathemakitten, a Mewling Mafia Matrix Mogul is one memebr of one faction of a multi-faction scum team that has redirect abilities and could therefore redirect scum kills.


Gorkington, considering all your talk of metadiving, I expected you to have done more meta diving of plotinus' roles for this game than it is apparent you have done?

So lazy is autoscum? My gut still says town on you but do you really think this after 5 years on site?

Still think smudger slot is scum, chamber is definitely posting, but I find none of it compelling, just looks like going through the motions

No. Lazy is not autoscum. I've explaiend why I think he's scum. But lazy IS anti-town, regardless of whether he is scum, so even those that don't think he's scum, if they can't find an agreeable lynch with all the other players, shoudl consider ircher as a possible lynch, to remove anti-town players from the game.

Also don't assume time=experience. I've taken many long breaks from playing actual games on MS, even though I've been consistently active onsite, and I also would not consider myself an amazing mafia player by any means.

[Gorkington]

firstly, you arent understanding what im saying from what i can tell.
secondly, to your point about me looking through every game that plotinus has played.
uh.
no?
i care about players in the game and their meta.
and using that to understand whether theyre playing differently than they play as town or similarly to how they play as scum.
i realistically need to metadive a few people to feel good about a confident read on them.
i dont care at all about mechanics because i suck at them.

[Gorkington]

like, i think its a stretch to believe davsto's thought process was "oh man if im alive lategame then i can just excuse it on the fact that scum was worried about me being protected".
im not even saying dav was that town.
i just disagree with what youre pushing here hard.

[Gorkington]

i can pick at your ircher case tonight if youd like. there are a few reasons that i like for why that slot is likely town.

[Fire Assassin]

@Fire assassin, talk to me about why you think Chamber is town. Xfyu too if you can.

I could, but I don't feel like going into detail at this time. Read their ISO, you can pick up any oddities. Xk is very calm and relaxed and is sorting players. Chamber is more independent in thought and you can see he isn't sheeping anyone.

[Fire Assassin]

Starting to think Not Mafia is just lazy scum. Maybe neutral Lyncher? All he has done is say Smudger and me are scum. No reasons necessary, no development of reads. Just pops in every time to say "Nothing has changed, these guys are scum"

If he is town, he really should try to develop his reads.

[Not_Mafia]

By "every time" you mean my last 2 posts?

[Fire Assassin]

By "every time" you mean my last 2 posts?

You have so few posts, its hard to tell.

[Not_Mafia]

I had the third most posts prior to my V/LA, didn't you yourself say I was one of the active players like 2 days ago?