Mini 1780 - camn's apartment 2 - Finale

[Tiresias]

-kagami (obviously)

[Tiresias]

I'm pretty obviously a Tracker. I caught onto how people seemed to be treating the kuribo claim as incompatible with their own, and right after the pisskop claim was like "oh this is a Tracker madness game" so decided to fakeclaim so no other town would feel it necessary to claim too.

Yes, I was reading pisskop as town, but unsure of kuribo until pisskop claimed and multiple town trackers started making sense. You can see this in how I subtly tried to cast doubt on kuribo's claim and he took that personally.

Davsto treating me like that as a scumpartner is kind of ridiculous. Both of us would know better than to organize a scum fakeclaim like this and connect the dots ourselves, instead of letting town do it so we don't build associative tells.

so you determined that the setup had multiple trackers, so, instead of saying "hey trackers stop claiming, there's obviously multiple trackers", you pull of that fake claim for... no reason?

davesto backing up your claim as a scum partner is ridiculous? why? how the hell does that make sense?

[Tiresias]

By the way, would really like Tiresias to explain why they didn't at least try to submit something. A Psychiatrist not going anywhere last night is one indicator of a possible Ninja. Especially with Anti's setup spec still making a hell of a lot of sense, getting the scum to think any vig claim was an SK.

i shouldn't have to target anyone as a visitor.
why do i care about submitting night actions when my night action is useless?

anti's setup spec was that we were a mafia psychiatrist. your new setup spec is that we are a ninja psychiatrist.

[Tiresias]

Davsto treating me like that as a scumpartner is kind of ridiculous. Both of us would know better than to organize a scum fakeclaim like this and connect the dots ourselves, instead of letting town do it so we don't build associative tells.

From what I've seen here, I doubt Davsto knows much about high level scum-play. His interactions seem like they can be taken as one-level-removed at most.

p-edit: hi nacho

[Marquis]

so you determined that the setup had multiple trackers, so, instead of saying "hey trackers stop claiming, there's obviously multiple trackers", you pull of that fake claim for... no reason?

Clearly it was a decision made in the moment. Not like I exactly had enough time to react and fakeclaiming was my instinctive response.

[Marquis]

By the way, would really like Tiresias to explain why they didn't at least try to submit something. A Psychiatrist not going anywhere last night is one indicator of a possible Ninja. Especially with Anti's setup spec still making a hell of a lot of sense, getting the scum to think any vig claim was an SK.

i shouldn't have to target anyone as a visitor.
why do i care about submitting night actions when my night action is useless?

anti's setup spec was that we were a mafia psychiatrist. your new setup spec is that we are a ninja psychiatrist.

A player being tracked nowhere when they have a pro-town ability that costs town nothing to use is suspect, and a "no action" is definitely not what I expected to find from you two in particular. Altogether I'd say it's fairly indicative of holding a ninja ability.

[Tiresias]

so you determined that the setup had multiple trackers, so, instead of saying "hey trackers stop claiming, there's obviously multiple trackers", you pull of that fake claim for... no reason?

Clearly it was a decision made in the moment. Not like I exactly had enough time to react and fakeclaiming was my instinctive response.

this is terrible.

[Tiresias]

By the way, would really like Tiresias to explain why they didn't at least try to submit something. A Psychiatrist not going anywhere last night is one indicator of a possible Ninja. Especially with Anti's setup spec still making a hell of a lot of sense, getting the scum to think any vig claim was an SK.

i shouldn't have to target anyone as a visitor.
why do i care about submitting night actions when my night action is useless?

anti's setup spec was that we were a mafia psychiatrist. your new setup spec is that we are a ninja psychiatrist.

A player being tracked nowhere when they have a pro-town ability that costs town nothing to use is suspect, and a "no action" is definitely not what I expected to find from you two in particular. Altogether I'd say it's fairly indicative of holding a ninja ability.

you didn't answer my question.

[Tiresias]

so you determined that the setup had multiple trackers, so, instead of saying "hey trackers stop claiming, there's obviously multiple trackers", you pull of that fake claim for... no reason?

Clearly it was a decision made in the moment. Not like I exactly had enough time to react and fakeclaiming was my instinctive response.

this is terrible.

and to expand on this, no, i don't believe for a minute that your instinctual response to seeing a bunch of tracker claims was to go "oh yeah, I know there are X trackers in the setup" as opposed to go "hey, there are probably just a bunch of trackers, stop claiming". i'm grappling with you not understanding why I wouldn't seriously care about using an action that is completely useless to me + psychiatrist ninja being your first assumption and it sucks because i know i am very likely going about this the wrong way if you are somehow town but are you serious?

[Marquis]

hey, there are probably just a bunch of trackers, stop claiming

Now that you've mentioned this, I remember part of what I was thinking was that I didn't exactly want to reveal that I was a Tracker too.

I don't get why this supposedly doesn't make sense to you, while you ignore how not at least attempting a psych action makes more sense than not. And as town submitting an action could potentially exempt you from being ninja.

[pisskop]

it would.

[pisskop]

Also, Marq.

You should claim you actions.

Who did you visit, and what were the results.

If you arent lying you have no reason not to tell us, and I will rope you if you dont.

[Tiresias]

hey, there are probably just a bunch of trackers, stop claiming

Now that you've mentioned this, I remember part of what I was thinking was that I didn't exactly want to reveal that I was a Tracker too.

I don't get why this supposedly doesn't make sense to you, while you ignore how not at least attempting a psych action makes more sense than not. And as town submitting an action could potentially exempt you from being ninja.

hey, there are a bunch of trackers, stop claiming (doesn't reveal you are a tracker).

attempting a psych action makes marginally more sense than not. it doesn't make sense to try to confirm us as non-ninja when we are very obviously a psychologist. unless suddenly you're disagreeing with that?

[Tiresias]

psychiatrist*

[Marquis]

Saying there are a bunch of trackers implies "I think this because I am one of them" to scum, unless I claim something useless that achieves the same effect.

I tracked Davsto to nowhere-because-he-died Night 1. I was wary of that exact behavior buddying up to me. Not really too relevant now because the target now is WIFOM.

[pisskop]

Night 2 I targetted ___________.

[pisskop]

VOTE: marquis

[Tiresias]

If a watcher attempts to visit someone and is killed, would he be seen as going nowhere by a tracker?

[Tiresias]

^@camn

[pisskop]

yes

[Marquis]

I'm finding it hard to believe you don't recognize my reasoning as obvious already. This is why I'm also hung up on you not going anywhere with your psych action, because for the both of you, Tiresias, I feel like you're vultures circling over a dead point. And I do expect if you're going to push me on something you'd choose a more substantial argument, rather than this process that looks like you chose me as a target first and are selectively interpreting my t responses to fit your scum narrative.

pisskop I already claimed to track Tiresias. This is the whole reason we're discussing them going nowhere.

[pisskop]

Under NAS its simultaneous and before a kill

[pisskop]

Idk.

Im for massclaiming and killing people who arent going to be going anywhere while we all track random people and test each other.

[Marquis]

If a watcher attempts to visit someone and is killed, would he be seen as going nowhere by a tracker?

Lol. Yes it's weird enough to me too that I would never fakeclaim like this.

[Marquis]

Under NAS its simultaneous and before a kill

Consider how camn is part of the older generation of mods though. It made sense to me put that way so I didn't question it.