In post 203, Gorkington wrote:so heres fire assassin in a nutshell and why you should vote for him.
i) opening vote is on me.
starts as RVS.
he then tries to weirdly justify it with easy reasoning.
not a big deal, but it gave me gutfeels that he felt nervous about sitting on an unexplained vote, which feels scummy in my heart.
I think I covered tpwhy this was bad before, but as it is
one of the only
substandial reasons behind votes given this entire game, that's a plus for Gork.
1. So, to begin with: (I'll fact-check myself later on this, but) how is RVSish reasoning for an RVSish vote scummy? Reasons given during RVS tend to be silly, joking, or illogical and should be taken lightly. As you did not care to quote what reasoning Fire gave for his vote, I can only assume that the reason was RVSish in nature.
ii) transition onto nahdia/beeboy hydra is wonky and easy. he abandons the vote on me for what amounts to "these posts look weird" which is meh. what bothers me is that it feels like hes registered that im not an easy push at this point. specifics here being:
2. Maybe, but I think Fire probably just figured that your posts weren't really alignment-indicative and were just a playstyle issue of yours. This point is overall null.
fire wrote:I find this strange you have so many reads this early into the game.
I guess they are mostly 'leans' so, not really strong so its w/e.
this is his follow-up to me ignoring his questions.
I agree with Fire here, your # of reads and your strength in your reads read as strange. Though, I wouldn't push it as scummy.
where other people are prickled by me doing this, he backs off, hedges and waffles. it just doesnt seem like a real genuine "im trying to figure out who scum is"-reaction and instead just kind of looks to me like "how do i push someone and not get flack for it here/how do i explain what ive done so far in a way that wont get me in trouble?"
I look into it!
fire assassin wrote:You realize your hostility isn't going to help anyone read you right? Its all AtE, which can be either alignment. I am willing to have a conversation with you, but if all your going to do is throw emotional posts like this, we can't have a discussion and I will have to ignore you.
this does not look like a genuine reaction to someone hes voting/calling scummy.
Why not? It actually reads as town, as scum usually do not wish to engage their attackers. Wanting to engage and work stuff out with you is imo 99% of the time pro-town. Now, scum can certainly fake this and may even try to mislead you, but we gotta have some basis for townreads, so I'd still read this point as suggesting town Fire rather than scum Fire.
In post 188, Fire Assassin wrote:Why does this sound like you are lining up both associations and lynches before we even have a single flip. This is disgusting on so many levels, its more likely to come from bad town than scum though.
the entire mindset of this post just screams to me of scum not knowing how to deal with someone hardpushing them for reasons that they dont understand.
Here's the main problem I have with your case: yes, you are analyzing motive rather than just looking to see if a post looks scummy, but you are failing to look at things from both perspectives. Ask yourself three questions: 1) What's the underlying motive (from my stance) 2) Why would scum make this post? 3) Why would town make this post? Afterwards, then decide if the point is truly indicative of alignment or not.
im struggling a little trying to articulate exactly why this post is bothering me so much. i think its mostly that i cant see the town incentive in simultaneously hedging on calling me scummy/calling me bad town to discredit me without committing to pushing me. im kind of hoping if i draw attention to it, someone smarter than me will look at it and see what im seeing and put it into real words.
Calling you scummy yet not trying to lynch you is scummy. (But scummy !== scum). The latter -- bad town -- is policy-lynch territory. Not aggressively pushing a lynch on someone who you wish gone only for policy reasons (like playstyle) is fair, and both town and scum would have reasons to do so.
part of what also bugs me about this, is that he says "time to find scum!", calls me bad town, and then goes on to basically ask me a bunch of questions. does not feel like genuine scumhunting methinks.
there you go. having all of that time to make up these reasons really helped. thanks for letting me stall ircher.