Mini 1786: Inspirational Mafia (Game Over)

[Creature]

*aren't you

[Something_Smart]

You've got to be willing to lose everything to gain yourself.

VC 1.3

Katsuki (4)- Untrod Tripod, xyzzy, Thestatusquo, implosion
Creature (2)- MagnaofIllusion, BlueBloodedToffee
drmyshottyizsik (2)- kagesong, Kmd4390
Untrod Tripod (1)- SnarkySnowman
kagesong (1)- Lowell
xyzzy (1)- Creature
Lowell (1)- drmyshottyizsik
Thestatusquo (1)- Katsuki

Not voting (0)- NOBODY

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

(expired on 2016-04-29 12:00:00)

Mod notes: MagnaofIllusion is V/LA until Monday.

[Thestatusquo]

is that a serious claim? if so, why come out with it unprompted this rapidly? I really don't like it either way and you're being really evasive, so

VOTE: Katsuki

Don't like this post, but I'll really know how I feel about it once either xyzzy or katsuki flips. Noting so I don't miss it when I reread later. Also worth noting that xyzzy is the third vote on the wagon (considering he knew I was going to be voting katsuki since I'm proxied to UT.)

>talks about issues with my accountability
>takes 0 accountability for own vote on wagon and shifts responsibility to someone else

hue

Are you joking? I said why I don't like your posts. I led and started this wagon. In what way is that unaccountable? Do you not try to look at the players who are voting with you to discern their alignment? Are you really trying to claim that someone doing that is likely anti town? Thats bizarre.

Third vote on wagon you guys don't even need to read further, Shea is obvscum.

#Jeeptell

Congrats. You just fell for one of my favorite trap scum tells. It's called the "deliberately weak argument." How it works is you make an argument and then somewhere in there you throw in a point that is deliberately bad. Easy to refute. It's a motivation tell to determine if someone is arguing in good faith or not. See, town players tend to address the argument in its entirety, because they want to evaluate the argument and they are interested in determining the alignment of the person making it. Scum, however, don't care about that. They are just arguing to score points. They go directly for the deliberately weak argument and attack it, and avoid the rest of the argument entirely.

You want to know which pattern describes what you just did?

I'll give you a hint. It starts with Sc. And ends with Umfucker.

Playtime is over.

confirm vote: katsuki

[Thestatusquo]

In other news, I think UT might be scum. I'm not willing to explain right now because I want to continue reading something.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Walk me through your logic here.

Why so serious?

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

Also, if you had a problem with Creature, why did you not vote him and instead continue by RVS'ing SS?

VOTE: xyzzy

Everytime I look at their posts I feel they're just trying to look like town.

How so?

VOTE: Katsuki

Looks good.

[Thestatusquo]

that is L-2. No one can claim ignorance of that fact.

BBT, why would you put someone to L-2 without so much as posting any explanation for why you were voting for them?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Because I rely on people being able to count.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Why are you worried about a scum read being placed at L-2?

[MagnaofIllusion]

@Shea

- I don't remember so I'm going to ask - do you regularly proxy your vote in Town games to another player pre-game? If so can you give me some game numbers to review? Also - why Untrod?

@Creature

- Any reason at all you've completely ignored Kats and the whole action around her obvious gambit.

I'm trying to get a read on a player whom I've never played with.

Yeah, no. kagesong has clearly stated he's very new. What reaction from a player on their third game on MS would you expect that would be alignment indicative at all from your questions?

Refuses to vote me and pushes back -

Town - Someone seeing through your obvious bullshit.
Scum - Someone being careful not to make what they may perceive as a Trap vote.

Votes for me due to questioning -

Town - Someone new who is awed by a Scummie banner and doesn't know that yours isn't really game-skill relevant
Scum - Someone wary of being pushed on by a Scummie holder and not wanting to draw fire.

Of course both these scenarios purport that you aren't scum with Kage. But there are tons of other reactions - all of which make sense coming from either alignment from new player Kage.

VOTE: Katsuki

This is a Town positive wagon and fully endorse it.

Also Kats is L-1 for those reading along.

[Creature]

@MagnaOfIllusion

Now that the cats out of the bag...

I'm trying to get a read on a player whom I've never played with.

I understood he wanted to get us out from the RVS.

[Creature]

I didn't care much for his tunneling as it seemed RVS-y (or some reaction test).

His daycop claim is weird, but why would he claim daycop if he were...
...Town: Gather reactions to determine his reads, take town from the RVS...
...Scum: Try to look like town (from the reason above), fish ml baits (?)

[Katsuki]

Welcome back MOI! I'm sure you missed me. Of course, you would call any wagon on me town-positive.

Before TSQ and UT decided to butt in, I was curious as to how Kage would respond. That's been rendered pointless though.

Shea is still scum.

For the record I have no plans on claiming ever since this is a shit wagon on me.

[Katsuki]

Also UT is solidly town. I trust in my ability to read him.

Funny how TSQ is trying to start casting doubts on another player on my wagon now that it's at L-1.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Yes. This is a serious wagon on scum.

Should I assume sarcasm please? Or am I missing something?

I am not one for jokes nor sarcasm. MOI is assuredly scum.

At post 23? By what logic?

You seem to be unusually resistant to the idea of voting MOI. Why?

Do you think his reaction is scummy? Given his newness and given that it would legitimately be seen as pretty surprising to have a player declare that his vote is a serious attack on scum this early, isn't this pretty much textbook for how you would expect a newer town player to react?

Come on tsq you're bettert than this. This is a clasic misdirected comment. That is how any new player would react regardless of alignment, and you know this. So why are you deffending him and calling him town from a null tell?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Also UT is solidly town. I trust in my ability to read him.

Funny how TSQ is trying to start casting doubts on another player on my wagon now that it's at L-1.

This is aweful. With the fake day cop claim plus my scum read on you and UT, this leads me to believe you were seriously trying to bus ut for confirmed town status. Intend to hammer, claim for real.

[Katsuki]

Nope. You guys know I'm just gonna claim a PR anyways.

This wagon on me is utter shit, and if you guys want to lynch without a claim then so be it.

[Katsuki]

wtf are you even talking about bussing UT anyways.

I was gonna say things have changed with your #113, but #114 is the same VI shotty of 2010. Pity.

[kagesong]

Yes. This is a serious wagon on scum.

Should I assume sarcasm please? Or am I missing something?

I am not one for jokes nor sarcasm. MOI is assuredly scum.

At post 23? By what logic?

You seem to be unusually resistant to the idea of voting MOI. Why?

Because there is zero material? Again, maybe these are played different from newbie games. But, having a vote you call serious at post 23 seems REALLY off to me. I've got FoS on you at this point.

[kagesong]

Yes. This is a serious wagon on scum.

Should I assume sarcasm please? Or am I missing something?

I am not one for jokes nor sarcasm. MOI is assuredly scum.

At post 23? By what logic?

You seem to be unusually resistant to the idea of voting MOI. Why?

Yes. This is a serious wagon on scum.

Should I assume sarcasm please? Or am I missing something?

I am not one for jokes nor sarcasm. MOI is assuredly scum.

At post 23? By what logic?

You seem to be unusually resistant to the idea of voting MOI. Why?

Do you think his reaction is scummy? Given his newness and given that it would legitimately be seen as pretty surprising to have a player declare that his vote is a serious attack on scum this early, isn't this pretty much textbook for how you would expect a newer town player to react?

Come on tsq you're bettert than this. This is a clasic misdirected comment. That is how any new player would react regardless of alignment, and you know this. So why are you deffending him and calling him town from a null tell?

I have to agree here. I feel I would have the same question either way. Buddying? But, then would cancel off of katsuki at L-1

[kagesong]

I am very tempted to hammer myself if Katsuki does not produce some notable reason not to. Every thing so far at the very least screams NOT TOWN.

[Creature]

Did you realise he claimed PR?

[kagesong]

Did you realise he claimed PR?

Yes, it just seems very much a lie. Pure opinion.

[kagesong]

Did you realise he claimed PR?

Yes, it just seems very much a lie. Pure opinion.

That is, it seems very reactive. Like "holy crap, I'm caught, I gotta do something."

Nothing else they have said supports it in my opinion.

[Katsuki]

I am very tempted to hammer myself if Katsuki does not produce some notable reason not to. Every thing so far at the very least screams NOT TOWN.

What have I done specifically in your mind that screams "NOT TOWN"?

[Something_Smart]

oh hello there.