New York 194: Guns N' Roses Mafia! (Day 8)

[Aristophanes]

Screwed the code on mobile. Sorry!!!

[Ozgin]

Ozgin that whole wall to say so much but not actually say anything of real substance .

More hand-wavey wishy-washy responses from Fragger.

I'm probably not going to have time to ISO dive Drixx tonight, in all honesty. If I do, it'll be another 3-4am sitting.

[Ilikebugs]

To be honest Im still on scum reading irao and I think that a lynch on him would be safest.

Vote: iraonavp

I'd like to read more on why Drixx is acting scummy to other people.

[Slandaar]

Drixx link me to one of your scumgames I need to check something.

[Slandaar]

It's almost like every time I've made a case against someone, it's after I prodge and am not around for days at a time because I'm a lazy shitsack, and just forcing an interaction with someone to try to discern whether or not they're scummy is harder than just ISOing them and not liking their posts. Woah!

Everytime you are not around for days at a time because you are a lazy shitsack you return and just happen to think the latest wagon is scum and have a huge case on them! Woah!

Anyways, I still like Ira for scum, and yes, I'm going to ISO Fragger and then Drixx, but I'll probably only do Fragger for now because ISOing people, while it is more direct and effective and it makes more sense to judge someone based on their history rather than a few interactions with someone, is time consuming,

and takes at least half an hour to try to build a case against someone

. Pity.

Why are you trying to build cases against players Ozgin? Ozgin

You know. If you were town you could just read their ISO see if you suspect them and then vote a case is not required. Your cases are not having any effect on anything.

tl;dr - I'm lazy and ISOing people is easier for me to scumhunt rather than trying to force some interaction, and, to nobody's surprise, my next plan of action is to ISO Fragger.

No don't do that.

I would like to see an ISO on killthestory. Will you do that for me?

[Drixx]

Also I don't understand what Drixx is hoping to accomplish with this whole "idiot ball" logic.

I realized that I used something that makes sense in my own framework but maybe

doesn't

make sense. I didn't want people to think I was just hurling out insults left and right. You can read some of Yudkowski's writing on lesswrong.com for a much smarter and better explanation of the concept. The point is that I wouldn't tell someone who I think is playing badly that they're holding the idiot ball. The idiot ball is a metaphorical reason for why someone I know is good is doing something bad.

Drixx right now, Haven't looked into many more people. Kind of think Egg is town, meh.

Eggcellent!

VOTE: Drixx

Townbloc ho!

This post is just quoted for whenever I do eventually get killed so people know to come after you for trying to put yourself in the town block on a mislynch.

Drixx link me to one of your scumgames I need to check something.

SMITE is probably where you want to look. I had a scum game with Egg but Egg was SK and killed me night one. That game was odd though; mod kill on day one while I was literally in the middle of a gambit locked the day. I'm pretty sure Egg killed me because I thought another slot was SK and was pushing to kill them.

I have another scum game where I was reflexively killed when I rolecopped a member of the other scum team on night 2, but was being town read.

Apart from that, I've got a surprising number of perfect wins as scum in the newbie queue, and 1 loss.

So yeah ... as much as I wish I could point you to some game OTHER than the longest game on the site ever ... if you want to see me play as scum over a long period of time you gotta go look at SMITE. Sorry.

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Anyways ... it's futile to defend oneself in mafia. Defending oneself is considered scummy. Pointing out that people are playing suboptimally is apparently also scummy. The reason I pointed people to Mafiaception was to show that I can appear scummy while executing a very strong town game, and so I should be given the benefit of the doubt and left to obvtown when I'm good and ready to do so. There area several players who have objectively done less than me and looked scummier ... and do remember that I replaced in, so we're talking people who have the advantage of being around for a lot longer in the game too.

Ergo killing me when you can't really point to anything that's objectively scummy is sub-optimal, since you can look at my town games and see that I intentionally scum myself up some. Keeps the night kills away and lets me start figuring the game out once there are actual assumptions I can safely make (I play from the game from a rationalist perspective applying logic and decision theory... if anyone is

actually

interested, I can start a thread on it in MD after the game. I've been considering doing so anyway). It's strictly inferior to string me up for the reasons being given when those reasons apply more strongly to other slots.

So yeah.

Mod: V/LA until Monday please. In-laws have arrived.

When my in-laws drive away I hope to find myself not lynched already, because I totally actually have some notes and investment in the game already. If you all could restrain yourselves for a day and a half and wait and see, that would be pretty cool. If not; that's life. (Or death, as it were).

[Drixx]

EbWoP: I wouldn't tell someone I don't know or someone who I don't think needs to have an excuse for playing badly that they were holding the idiot ball. That's only something I will say to people I've played with and seen demonstrate an above average level of play. Otherwise I have no basis to judge whether or not some external tongue in cheek reason is needed to explain bad play.

Gotta run ... in-laws are taking us to dinner. Probably not going to be back until tomorrow night at the soonest.

[Ozgin]

It's almost like every time I've made a case against someone, it's after I prodge and am not around for days at a time because I'm a lazy shitsack, and just forcing an interaction with someone to try to discern whether or not they're scummy is harder than just ISOing them and not liking their posts. Woah!

Everytime you are not around for days at a time because you are a lazy shitsack you return and just happen to think the latest wagon is scum and have a huge case on them! Woah!

Anyways, I still like Ira for scum, and yes, I'm going to ISO Fragger and then Drixx, but I'll probably only do Fragger for now because ISOing people, while it is more direct and effective and it makes more sense to judge someone based on their history rather than a few interactions with someone, is time consuming,

and takes at least half an hour to try to build a case against someone

. Pity.

Why are you trying to build cases against players Ozgin? Ozgin

You know. If you were town you could just read their ISO see if you suspect them and then vote a case is not required. Your cases are not having any effect on anything.

tl;dr - I'm lazy and ISOing people is easier for me to scumhunt rather than trying to force some interaction, and, to nobody's surprise, my next plan of action is to ISO Fragger.

No don't do that.

I would like to see an ISO on killthestory. Will you do that for me?

Mobile post - yeah, I'll do an ISO of killthestory, I wanna do a Drixx ISO first.

As far as building a case for everyone, I do have to do that, at least for me, because I don't like votes without explicit reason beyond, "they're scum, read their ISO."

Innocent until proven guilty, if I try to prove someone guilty and it falls apart, then they are probably innocent. It works, I'm telling you.

[SnarkySnowman]

To be honest Im still on scum reading irao and I think that a lynch on him would be safest.

Vote: iraonavp

I'd like to read more on why Drixx is acting scummy to other people.

That's lazy.

[Something_Smart]

VOTE: Drixx
Feel better about this now.

[Drixx]

VOTE: Drixx
Feel better about this now.

I'm sorry my past sins made you so paranoid of me.

[Egg]

Prod dodge.

On skim noticed Drixx mentioned my SK game and I actually based my kills in that game on three things:
-I wanted to kill scum
-I wanted to kill players unlikely to be lynched
-I wanted to kill people scumreading me or who may scumread me later.

You fit all three and made the perfect N1 kill.

[Firebringer]

UNVOTE:
I don't think Drixx is near a lynch right now, but I want to read into more players today before its ended.

[GuyFawkes]

so drixx and firebringer are scumbuddies. good to know

[Firebringer]

so drixx and firebringer are scumbuddies. good to know

GuyFawkes is scum with drixx confirmed.
Here are my 0 reasons.

[Killthestory]

so drixx and firebringer are scumbuddies. good to know

GuyFawkes is scum with drixx confirmed.
Here are my 0 reasons.

im glad you're embracing my playstyle

[GuyFawkes]

your unvote is my reason

[Performer]

Prodge, will be catching up over this week on new posts .
Please note this week will be busier than usual for me as I have 4 small performances on Saturday night.

[Fraggernaut]

Was debating if I was going to V/LA due to a workplace injury I sustained last night, but I'm going to try to keep up with this.

[Drixx]

Prod dodge.

On skim noticed Drixx mentioned my SK game and I actually based my kills in that game on three things:
-I wanted to kill scum
-I wanted to kill players unlikely to be lynched
-I wanted to kill people scumreading me or who may scumread me later.

You fit all three and made the perfect N1 kill.

You played quite well that game. I got caught with my pants down trying to play a gambit when the mod kill happened. It was unfortunate, to say the least.

Interestingly enough, I would have been just as after that slot as town, because I thought it was the SK, and an SK speeds the game up which benefits scum and hurts town, so I generally look for them regardless of alignment. I assume the focus on an SK in a setup where one is known to exist is a scum tell to some?

Also ... in laws just left. I need to catch up site wide. Expect a wall post or a series of shorter posts later tonight.

[Firebringer]

so drixx and firebringer are scumbuddies. good to know

GuyFawkes is scum with drixx confirmed.
Here are my 0 reasons.

im glad you're embracing my playstyle

Its a pretty chill playstyle.

[Ilikebugs]

Ok I think that I am more comfortable with Drixx as my town read. He's been acting more chill than I would think he would act as scum.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

I'm torn on Drixx. I'm also torn on Firebringer.

There's a slot that's bugging the hell out of me now though, so...

UNVOTE:
VOTE: GuyFawkes

(And before anyone asks why, the answer is "his ISO"...which will only takes 30 seconds to read).

How about doing something Mr Fawkes?

[jam]

VOTE: Guy Fawkes

I did read his ISO. Garbage. Scum.

[Axl_Rose]

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With 18 Alive, it's 10 to Lynch!

Mod Notes:

"Prostitute"
[Also replacing Jam]

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  Boonskiies
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  Ozgin
  — iraonavp
  
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  Aristophanes
  — Slandaar, Performer, SnarkySnowman
  
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  Killthestory
  — DrippingGoofball
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  Performer
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  Drixx
  — Aristophanes, Something_Smart
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  Ilikebugs
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  Firebringer
  — Egg
  
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  GuyFawkes
  — Killthestory, KickAssAndGiggle, jam
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  Something_Smart
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  Egg
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  Slandaar
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  jam
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  iraonavp
  — Fraggernaut
  (0)
  DrippingGoofball
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  KickAssAndGiggle
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  Fraggernaut
  — GuyFawkes, Ozgin
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  SnarkySnowman
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  [Not Voting]
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  Kop, Boonskiies, Drixx, Firebringer, Ilikebugs

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