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[MURDERCAT]

Kush would have to be so so bad to be scum though it's hard to believe. The only scum points are for things like poor word choice and stupid joke posts. Scum wouldn't draw attention to themselves in such an obvious way.

[Jake from State Farm]

I guess time will tell

[RadiantCowbells]

Jake is town, fire assassin is probtown, garmr is a town lean
don't really think kush is scum
Lapsa/JJD my two top scumread.

rest are null. I haven't been reading in depth.
I'll catch up and make a full reads list tomorrow if I'm still alive.

[Jake from State Farm]

Please don't make reads lists. I'd rather you spend that time making a case on somebody

[Garmr]

Jake is town, fire assassin is probtown, garmr is a town lean
don't really think kush is scum
Lapsa/JJD my two top scumread.

rest are null. I haven't been reading in depth.
I'll catch up and make a full reads list tomorrow if I'm still alive.

I agree with all of this.

[Jake from State Farm]

So what happened to your scum read of Calvary? What was the point of that case you made if you abandon your scum read in just a few pages?

[Jake from State Farm]

Fine if my reads are stagnant then

VOTE: Lapsa

I'm not voting anyone else this entire game till his lynched.

Garmr, want to switch this up to JarJar?
VOTE: JarJarDrinks
Not down for a Calvary lynch today, maybe tomorrow.

VOTE: jarjar

Boy that didn't last very long did it?

[MURDERCAT]

Was just going to say that Jake. Has the scum read on me disappeared as well?

[Jake from State Farm]

looks like gamr just wants to buddy people better than he is

[MURDERCAT]

Shots fired

[Calvary]

Catch-up time!

post 630 - Garmr's case

The fact that you put 'basically' in front of several of your accusations implies that even you think the points you're making against me are weak and suggests you only included them to inflate your post and make your case seem more damning than it actually is. You accuse me of having a 'stretched' case against Firebringer but yours is full of misrepresentations and I fail to see how that is any better. For example, I never said to 'stop' the Lapsa wagon, only that we should focus elsewhere for the time being. Nor is throwing up the possibility of scum being on Lapsa's wagon an 'attack' on anyone. You also fail to explain how my opening post 'comes from a place with more knowledge' than a town would have.

Asking questions is NAI for me. I question, poke, make the occasional snarky comment, etc as all alignments. You haven't played with me before so it's understandable that my play-style rubbed you the wrong way. Given the earlier reactions of Innocent, Lapsa, etc to me questioning them, I am assuming that it's not something that many people around here are used to. I thought that overreacting to something as benign as a few questions was scummy at first, but that's changed in light of the general reaction.

If I defend a wagon, doesn't that imply that I'm town-reading the player being wagoned? Or at the very least, it suggests that I think they are >rand town. At the time of those comments, I thought that Lapsa and Kush were more likely to be town.

In regards to the Lapsa post, I meant that I agreed with Lapsa's reasoning for the reads on Assassin/ Innocent/ Garmr/ RC, not that I was scum-reading them all. Given that I was scum-reading the first two, I can see how you jumped to that conclusion.

You also make the assumption that I know who the 'experienced' and 'newer' players in this game are and shaped my reads around that, even though this is my first legitimate game on-site, I'm not a veteran player, and the only people who I even knew existed beforehand were those who were in FA's game. With this in mind, I feel that your characterisation of me as a manipulative, skilled player is inaccurate.

Starting wagons is a way to AVOID scrutiny now? Pretty sure that being the player to provide the original reasoning for a wagon would draw more attention than anyone who bandwagons.

Overall, not what I would consider 'the best case all game'

[Calvary]

@Fire, post 644 - I'm not talking about what I find townie very much this game because I don't want to give the scum too much information about what I think town should act like. They might alter their behaviour to slip under my radar. You make a good point, however, as I am taking this mantra to the extreme without realising it and thus haven't explained my reads properly, so I'll get around to that in a future post.

A tl;dr version would be [

Kush, Firebringer, Meeseeks, maybe Murdercat, maybe Jake, maybe

Garmr

,

maybe

Innocent

,

maybe

Lapsa, Autti, JarJar

] and RC/ acryon are null/ undecided.

Although Murdercat is there mostly because I can't see anything overtly scummy with what he says, I need to reread Innocent's posts because I'm starting to think that my scum-read is because of site differences, and I keep flip-flopping on Lapsa. Take post 635 for example. The fact that he voted me after Garmr made his case on me feels like he was trying to set up an association between the two of us in case he flips. (aka, that he wanted it to look like he was chainsawing) And then JarJar defends me later on. I can't shake off the feeling that it's deliberate and I don't like it.

I am willing to switch votes to JarJar but I would like to take him up on his offer to be questioned first.

@Jake, post 649 - I checked the VC on #450 (I think) and Lapsa had 4 votes, so no idea where you got 2 votes from.

[Calvary]

Most of the talk with Jake was fluff, but I don't think scum would act the way that Jake did with being that obstinate about making a point to someone. (with regards to the 'make better questions' thing)

calvary - writing way too much to be lynched day 1.

Are you serious?

In any case, the kush wagon is still woeful. Not really sure how it got as much traction as it did, really.

Firebringer is actually using his own initiative when it came to poking at Lapsa, so my main point is outdated.

UNVOTE: Fire Assassin

VOTE: Autti

[Jake from State Farm]

@Jake, post 649 - I checked the VC on #450 (I think) and Lapsa had 4 votes, so no idea where you got 2 votes from.

This was the vc before your post

nnn_thekushmountains (3): I Am Innocent, Jake From State Farm, JarJarDrinks
Lapsa (4): Garmr, Mr Meeseeks, acryon, Lapsa
Calvary (1): Autti
Garmr (1): MURDERCAT
JarJarDrinks (1): RadiantCowbells
Autti (1): nnn_thekushmountains

Not Voting (2): Calvary, Fire Assassin

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in 5 days, 20 hours, 51 minutes

2 people had multiple votes on them. Lapsa had 4 and kush had 3

[Calvary]

I thought you were just referring to the Lapsa wagon, so that's my mistake.

While you are here, I have a question. Since you think that Kush is scum, who would his scum partners would be and why?

[Garmr]

looks like gamr just wants to buddy people better than he is

But your not a good player.

[Garmr]

I mean even frozen angel won't play with you anymore and that says a lot.

[Lapsa]

The fact that he voted me

reads as if i voted you. how long did it take to write #810?

I am assuming that it's not something that many people around here are used to

did you PM Heat or #593 was his own initiative?

[Lapsa]

also - would like to remind that RC is getting free pass

[Fire Assassin]

@Cavalry, mind explaining your scum read on Autti?

[Fire Assassin]

also - would like to remind that RC is getting free pass

Radiant isn't being given a free pass, he is playing as town so far. No scum hints from his play so far.

[Calvary]

The fact that he voted me

reads as if i voted you. how long did it take to write #810?

I am assuming that it's not something that many people around here are used to

did you PM Heat or #593 was his own initiative?

I don't know, half an hour? 810 isn't anything amazing, lol.

I didn't PM Heat. He was just doing his job as a host.

[Calvary]

@Cavalry, mind explaining your scum read on Autti?

I am in the process of rereading his posts, but the main reason is that I feel like he is going for the easy player criticisms/ targets. Something about the way he words his critiques is insincere, like he's chiding players as opposed to legitimately hunting for scum. Going through the motions, as it were.

[Calvary]

The fact that he voted me

reads as if i voted you. how long did it take to write #810?

I am assuming that it's not something that many people around here are used to

did you PM Heat or #593 was his own initiative?

I don't know, half an hour? 810 isn't anything amazing, lol.

I didn't PM Heat. He was just doing his job as a host.

Also just realised that I made a typo there. I meant to say 'voted for Garmr' not 'voted me' >_>

[JarJarDrinks]

Hey Garmr:

And when I flip town will you pubically appoligize and lynch lapsa?

Why Lapsa and not the person who you're voting for?