Open 634: Sharing is Caring (Game Over)

[chilledtea]

Also, ranger did the right thing imo and I would have done the same.

[Aneninen]

OFF

Who wants new E.B.O.N.Y. Levels?
They're on!

ON

[chilledtea]

I've got a weird feeling that sir cakes is the last scum. His interactions with people has been limited, so it is difficult to read him and the main reason for his town read is his position at shotty's wagon, which I think we can disregard at mylo stage imo.

I am just thankful that texcat left those crumbs because otherwise I can't see what could have saved this KT slot at this stage tbf. I guess he was so scummy that he got copped, I lucked out really.

[chilledtea]

Persivul lurking really doesn't make this easy. I get the feeling that I can trust anen but I will go through everything once more to see what I can do.

[Persivul]

Wow, I thought we would come in and lynch Clumsy for the win.

I had in the back of my mind that if not Clumsy, it could be Anen playing a really good scum game. Gonna have to meta him as I don't believe I've seen his scum game.

Cakez, Anen, and me were the first three on the shotty lynch, so not much help there.

For whatever self meta is worth, my views on busing - don't do it unless absolutely necessary - are pretty well-known. I just finished a perfect scum win here:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=65750

In which there were plenty of opportunities to bus, and we didn't.

[Persivul]

I've got a weird feeling that sir cakes is the last scum. His interactions with people has been limited, so it is difficult to read him and the main reason for his town read is his position at shotty's wagon, which I think we can disregard at mylo stage imo.

Yes, my town read on him yesterday was based on his place on the shotty wagon, but since all three of us were on it in 1-2-3 order, that is now meaningless.

I am just thankful that texcat left those crumbs because otherwise I can't see what could have saved this KT slot at this stage tbf. I guess he was so scummy that he got copped, I lucked out really.

Unfortunately those crumbs were obvious enough that it cost texcat her life, but yeah, at least we have one nearly conftown.

With you being basically conftown, we need to lynch today. As it is a single stray vote can't give scum a quickhammer. You're the obvious kill tonight, so we won't gain any information from the kill, and we don't have any PRs left. A no lynch only hurts us.

[chilledtea]

The thing that irkes me about sir cakes is he is the only one who had done nothing when it comes to any sort of analysis, or figuring out regarding the game. It is also highly suspect that he considers drmshotty to be obvscum and told us to "read the thread" which we did. Clumsy, myself, wgeurtz, all of us town read shotty (I did at quarter stage of the day 1 before he got lynched) so it wasn't as obvious as he made it seem. But blacle, anen and others seemed pretty convinced and shotty was scum, so I am not sure.

Regarding persivul, didn't like him calling anen "a good player" it is not known whether anen is town/scum so calling anen a good player implies that pers knows anen's alignment. I am not sure if I am reading too deeply into this.

[Persivul]

Reading max v. anen, the straightforward conclusion is that anen is town. The only way anen is scum is if that's a pretty elaborate wifom setup.

[Persivul]

FOS: SirCakez

[SirCakez]

Highly doubt Anen is scum, Max's case on Anen yesterday felt far too manipulative and dedicated to be on a fellow scum buddy. And I've had a very strong townread on him all game.
Unless Tex majorly screwed up somehow then chilled is town.
So that leaves me with Persivul, who makes a lot of sense as a Shotty buddy like I said earlier.

I could see Persivul as a busser on Shotty. He only really started pressuring Shotty after he came under a lot of pressure on himself.
Maybe Max/Persivul?

[Persivul]

Highly doubt Anen is scum, Max's case on Anen yesterday felt far too manipulative and dedicated to be on a fellow scum buddy. And I've had a very strong townread on him all game.
Unless Tex majorly screwed up somehow then chilled is town.
So that leaves me with Persivul, who makes a lot of sense as a Shotty buddy like I said earlier.

I could see Persivul as a busser on Shotty. He only really started pressuring Shotty after he came under a lot of pressure on himself.
Maybe Max/Persivul?

Fact check: when I voted shotty, there were only 2 votes on me. I hadn't taken a lot of pressure at that point.

[chilledtea]

I want anen here and I want to know from him what he thinks of sir cakes vs pers. Like if possible some thoughts regarding pers/sir cakes.

[Persivul]

Yeah, if Anen metadives me I'm confident he'll conclude I'm not scum.

[SirCakez]

Wgeurts we're not lynching the Vig :/
Persivul - you literally went from posting a miniwall about KT to voting wgeurts in 3 posts. What's up there?

It's pretty fucking obvious - a good player came in and voted gurts, making a wagon I had deemed not viable now seem possible.

So you weren't going to vote for him because you thought he was scum, but when opportunity struck you jumped right on? It is obvious you are scum.

Just lynch me. I have never seen so much stupidity in a single game.

When I flip green, read this game in which I was scum and wguerts was town:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=62219

and ask yourself,

why did wgeurts think this was persival's scum game?

I don't know if gurts is scum trying to run the town, or town trying to be a leader and not knowing WTF he's doing. Either way, he's going to lead town to a loss. When I flip, note that his two big pushes were both town. Then decide whether you think he's scummy and you want to lynch him, or he's incompetent town, and you just want to ignore his reads (or perhaps do the exact opposite of his reads).

will you WAGON shotty with me, wgeursts?

Eh, why not?
VOTE: drmyshottyizsik
That name is going to be a pain with the automatic votecount lol

All 3 scum in one post???

VOTE: drmyshottyizsik

Official Vote Count

Persivul

(4): texcat, wgeurts, drmyshottyizsik, KuroiXHF

drmyshottyizsik

(3): SirCakez, Aneninen, Persivul

wgeurts

(2): BlacleWorks, Clumsy

texcat

(2): Maxous, KainTepes

Masquerade

(1): Alexcellent

Not Voting

(1): Masquerade

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-04-12 01:00:37)

You jumped on Shotty only when he became your counterwagon, and made little effort to push him before. The first vote was apparently a "flip off to wgeurts" like you said yourself.

[Persivul]

So your theory is that I was scum taking pressure, and in order to divert attention from myself, I lynched a scumbuddy with a better PR than me.

[SirCakez]

Framer isn't better then Rolecop?
And yes that's my theory. It was an easy bus and Shotty was clearly going down within a day or two, but there was next to no pushing there until the counterwagon formed.

[Persivul]

UNVOTE:

Urgh

probably legit then. I'm not Vig.
Still think wgeurts is town

Interesting tell that I picked up on doing meta. I only see the

Urgh

when you're scum:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p7753973
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p7699410
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p7697752

I haven't found a town game with the

Urgh

, but to be fair I skipped over some games, particularly marathons.

[SirCakez]

Are you seriously pushing me saying urgh as a scum tell lmao

[Persivul]

Urgh, let's see if Anen thinks it's funny.

[chilledtea]

I can see that this might actually be the most difficult pick we (I) might ever be making. I recently completed a game where a similar situation existed (4 remaining, 1 conftown (myself), 1 vs 1 between town and the 1 remaining scum laid back and watched with amusement). I just hope anen isn't scum and I feel he isn't as well.

Sir Cakes also used "Jeez" is that scum tell? I don't know I am just asking.

[Persivul]

I just hope anen isn't scum and I feel he isn't as well.

If he is, well done, because I don't see it. In doing meta on him his scum and town games were pretty close, but I believe I saw a couple slight differences in his scum game that I don't see here.

[SirCakez]

If Anen is scum and orchestrated that whole thing with Max then props to him. I really, really doubt it though.

[Persivul]

Sir Cakes also used "Jeez" is that scum tell? I don't know I am just asking.

He didn't use it in any of the three scum games above, so I'd say no.

Usually when I see a peculiar word and do meta on it, it turns out neutral. A couple times I've found real tells. I generally keep them to myself for future use and just lynch the person on other evidence, but since this wasn't my towniest game I decided to use this tell on Cakez here and now.

[SirCakez]

So your entire case for me being scum is that I said urgh?

[chilledtea]

I use urgh all the time when I am town. Jeez is something sircakes used when he wanted to express how hard it was to get shotty's wagon going. I thought it was strange.