Newbie 1691 - Game Over

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Sorry man. Hopefully we will be on the same side in the future.

On the whole, a scum win, to me, feels right after D1/D2.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

LOL, Ninja'd 5 times!!!

[KickAssAndGiggle]

ass-kicked and I giggled :p

(Sorry in advance)

He who laughs last laughs longest...

[Ircher]

Another loss for me... How disappointing...

But KAAG did imo deserve a win (Clumsy/YA meh)

[mhsmith0]

Sorry man. Hopefully we will be on the same side in the future.

On the whole, a scum win, to me, feels right after D1/D2.

Yeah you guys played better than us. If I didn't death tunnel on Ircher, it might have been different. Alas.

[Clumsy]

Sorry if it looks like I didn't do anything this game, but that was on purpose. When I replaced in, I was trying to decide whether I should play defensively or go on the attack. Then this happened:

Currently my lean remains on A50. But it's not firm. A lot more reading and thinking still to come. I REALLY want to get it right. First ever time in the judgement seat, but no pressure or anything

As A50 wasn't doing much, my way to win was clear. Do nothing. If nothing changes from either of us, Smith stays on A50. If A50 speaks up, then I will. So I discouraged contributing with my post about the mudslinging thing. If I pushed, I might've messed it up.

That said, I did almost nothing for this game. I'll take 1% of the win. XD

It was an interesting game though. I felt KAAG played pretty well.

[Ircher]

Yes. Had I not been lynched D2... When Egg would've been a better lynch & the fact the Tracker tracked me and got an inno (though ofc, not absolute, still something to consider)

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Clumsy, you played perfectly. A50 had cast shade on himself on D3...there was no need for you to risk anything by being more vocal.

Given the gamestate you entered into, your play was 10/10. You were just as important as YA/Me in this win.

[Ircher]

^ Agree with that

[mhsmith0]

Yeah, KAAG played well. I played aggressively, and my reads were shit.

I was honestly hoping that you guys were going to give me stuff to work with in final LYLO, but mentally I put "Clumsy doing nothing as town" as a more reasonable explanation than "A50 doing nothing as town".

The KAAG self hammer pointed towards YA, but it was weak and WIFOM-y. The YA-KAAG D3 fighting felt fake, but faker from KAAG than YA. And the whole "gee, I just don't know why scum!KAAG would possibly self-hammer" bit from A50 just felt SO fake.

I really need to do better on this, but I honestly don't know how I could have legitimately looked at this thread and found YA-KAAG to be way likelier than A50-KAAG. That was a really hard judgement call to make. Or I'm just incompetent. I mean, I know a good amount of theory, but in terms of actually being able to put it into practice, I'm a total mess (as this game pretty effectively demonstrated). Sigh...

[Ircher]

@Smith
You were great D3. The KAAG lynch fyi was superior to a YA lynch D3 imo.

[Clumsy]

It's all good Smith. I'm actually pretty shit as town. I get scumread almost every game as town, and townread the wrong people when everyone else is sure. I'm sure I would have mislynched here too.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

I am happy to share my thoughts, but only if solicited.

Although I will say I'm disappointed with YA: we were getting on so well in the scum chat, I have no idea why he flaked.

[mhsmith0]

FWIW, once my reads solidified a bit on D3 my "plan" had actually been to get KAAG lynched and then grill YA and Egg on D4 about anything and everything I could think of. And then both slots replaced, which made things just incredibly difficult for me to figure out. I mean, that's total excuse making, I know. Again, sorry town

[mhsmith0]

@KAAG: feel free to share thoughts on me, at least. I put a lot of effort into the game, but effort didn't really pan out very much. FWIW, I DO think my "it can't be YA/Egg, therefore it must be KAAG" read was legitimately decent. And given that basically the entirety of the dead townies had been town reading you, I DO think that was a pretty good read, even if my communication of it wasn't much to write home about.

@All: can you guys clarify how Ircher was obv!town? Clearly I wasn't capable of seeing it, so the more you can explain the better I'll be at figuring out what I'm missing.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Ircher wasn't obv!town, simple. I mean, he WAS town, but it wasn't OBV by any means.

Give me an hour or two and I'll post-mortem this.

[Ircher]

I think it may have to do with my meta and playstyle. This is my tenth completed game; town all ten games, and avoided ML only twice. In both those games, town won.

[Clumsy]

Oh wow, you haven't been scum in a completed game yet? O.o

[Ircher]

Nope. Its disappointing tbh.

And, I have yet to been NK'd in a completed game.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Hard to scum hunt when you've never been scum.

I think Thor will disagree with me here (considering the graveyard chat), but IMHO it's a different ball game entirely, scum vs town. Note: my scum record is P4 W4.

[mhsmith0]

@KAAG: Cool, I appreciate it. I was looking at graveyard chat, and it's pretty clear that consensus is about what I self-evaluated as: some good, but a lot more bad.

PS My wolf game is utterly, hilariously, bad. Two games, two lynches, on THREE game days (and I was the counter-wagon the one day I survived, wtih D2 being "kill MHS day").

[Ircher]

Some Quick Facts about me, esp. since Newbie 1691 just ended:

1) I have 10 completed game
2) Out of those 10 games, I've been town 10 times and scum 0 times.
3) Out of those 10 games, I've been mislynched 7 times
4) Out of those 10 games, I've never been NK'd
5) Out of those 10 games, I've been endgamed once
6) Out of those 10 games, I've lost 8 times and won only twice.
7) Out of the 2 games I've won, I wasn't lynched or killed.

[mhsmith0]

@Ircher: One thing I'll say: if you have anything close to as strong as town read on someone as you claim to have had on UTL/Radja, never ever ever let them get lynched. Your EOD1 behavior completely read to me like you were trying to hide your vote in a safe spot away from the counter-wagon while making really half-hearted efforts to do anything about the result. That's just not townie behavior. If you're that sure, you need to make absolutely certain the town knows you're strongly against the lynch.

And that probably includes actively arguing against the specific votes, and either going hard for the counter-wagon or explicitly voting one of the people who was on the wagon, specifically for having a crappy vote. If your opinion is that strong, act on it. Otherwise it looks like you're lying to the thread about something super important (your reads)... and that's lynchable stuff IMO.

PS Yes, the YA D1 hammer was terrible, and I really should have pushed harder on that. Probably my biggest regret of the game.

[Ircher]

But, @Smith

Not having absolute confidence/doing things carelessly is quite common for me. I voiced my opinion even if not well.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

You did die with me as your top town read though...

(Post mortem in progress)