Open 633: Near Vanilla-GAME OVER

[Ollie]

I'd made the most noise about Lowell, yet he is RC's apparently.

RC and I have a running contest to see who the better scumhunter and nightkill magnet is.
He, unfortunately, is winning.

Bluntly, I didn't even really notice your Lowell point nor did I care much for it. I

did

care about having felt RC's reads were right on SnarkySnowman and Imperium, then learning my third scumread was also

his

third scumread.

You didn't notice it or you didn't care for it? If you didn't notice it I'm not sure how you formed an opinion.

It was a bit overkill and read very fake to be like, 1, 2, 3, 7, some with minimal minutes between them.

Ollie being ignorant on a first game is believable.

This is not. Tammy and Nacho both, 100%, absolutely

know

that I display this tendency in games. Of course, ongoing is ongoing, so let's use recently completed games.

Example one. Town.
Example two. Scum.
Example three. Serial killer.
Example four. Town.
Example five. Town.
Example six. Scum.
Subverted: example seven. Scum...where I did

not

do this. I put in five minutes worth of effort to fake it, then cruised the rest of the game.
Example eight. Town.

I think we can thoroughly establish this is a null tell for me.

Imperium saying otherwise when they, 100%, absolutely KNOW this is the case,

that

makes them scum.

That seems legit but if you were really reading the game properly while you were making these lists then how did you miss this...

As the night drew to a close and day took it's place. It was noticed that a member of the town was missing. After a quick head count, they found that Xisiqomelir was not at the gathering. When checking his house, the rest of the town found his corpse in his lounge room. Upon closer inspection of his residence, it was determined that

Xisiqomelir:

Vanilla Townie

had been killed night 1.

I wouldn't care if you didn't make this post shortly after, bringing up your mistake yourself...

Xisiqomelir: Vanilla Townie had been killed night 1.

Well on the one hand.

Pretty sure this confirms me as town.

On the other.

This would have been really useful to know when reading D1. I was under the impression we had no deaths last night; none are listed in the OP.

[Nosferatu]

Okay, that's a much more believable answer. What are your reads so far?

kill and KT are probably town

magna might be town

Lowell might be scum sorta iffy on that tho

Ollie is probably scum

Mind explaining the Lowell read? You haven't said anything about him so far.

I'm suspicious of people that come out of nowhere with comments like "x is town" but lowell loves town reading people so I'm iffy.

I haven't defended lowell this game. I only said he gives town reads often.

That sounds like nonsense, especially given the context.

Not really. Can't see a defense here. More like hedging actually.

[Imperium]

What is your read on Lowell then?

[Nosferatu]

null-scum.

[Virtue]

Imperium, we have played together significantly, individually and collectively. I started playing here around the time your hydra was created, give or take a month.

As for what you're saying, that is possible. I just feel that town players should focus on making town reads look as good as possible. By saying Magna's annoying, players are much less likely to listen to them.

I'm terrible with reading AtE. Yet, I don't like that post in a vacuum because it has the same problem I felt with his Magna read.

[Imperium]

And bella just joined another game. Granted it's a bit after, but will people stop replacing out of one game cuz busy and pretty damn soon after signing up for another?

[Virtue]

Yeah, I just skimmed through Lowell's ISO. I'm content voting here until I am fully caught up. My biggest concern is that KTS and Nosferatu are both acting very weird about this, but I cannot get ahead of myself.

VOTE: Lowell

[Virtue]

And bella just joined another game. Granted it's a bit after, but will people stop replacing out of one game cuz busy and pretty damn soon after signing up for another?

Agreed that it needs to stop, but this environment isn't that fast? Are people getting into draining 1 v 1s? Something has to be causing this.

[Imperium]

And bella just joined another game. Granted it's a bit after, but will people stop replacing out of one game cuz busy and pretty damn soon after signing up for another?

Agreed that it needs to stop, but this environment isn't that fast? Are people getting into draining 1 v 1s? Something has to be causing this.

There has been some tension, but nothing overwhelmingly terrible.

I know townies do it too, it just messes with my head when a game isn't moving terribly fast and they can't keep up or real life is moving too fast and they replace out to in to a game immediately or very soon after.

Nacho and I were town reading bella, and I think she sometimes gets overwhelmed when she has suspicion on her for reasons she can't understand and so she sometimes fades out. Nacho and I were trying to give her support because I think that when she has that she's more likely to push more and be more aggressive. We were hoping to be her support today to help her get into the game and solidify our read on her and give her space, if my assumption about her is true, but she replaced out. I know it's not a scumtell for her specifically though as I've replaced into her slot as town before, but it still messes with my head.

[OceanWind]

I'm in favor of Lowell being force-replaced if he doesn't post game-relevant content. I think some mods don't count prod-dodges as legitimate posts, not sure if this mod enforces that.

@Virtue -

I have a guess about who you are and if I'm right, we've played together before. Your reads are a bit difficult to follow. Can you post a short summary outlining who your major suspects are? I also want to see you taking stances on the current two big wagons Ranger and SnarkySnowman as in which you find scummier. (Ranger replaced heuristically_alone who replaced Jim, and SnarkySnowman replaced jmo16mla).

[Virtue]

My reads are largely the same as they were in my catchup. I have far too many I am suspicious of still but I am leaning in favor of Nosferatu/Lowell/KTS having a few scum in there. I haven't reached Ranger's sub in during my catch up. I have jmo and Imperium as town. Jmo is Snarky.

[Nosferatu]

Yeah, I just skimmed through Lowell's ISO. I'm content voting here until I am fully caught up. My biggest concern is that KTS and Nosferatu are both acting very weird about this, but I cannot get ahead of myself.

VOTE: Lowell

what is up with the level of lack of comprehension here? I mention lowell rarely, and the only post of me talking about him is me saying he's not tonally the same as my last scum-game with him, and that I was feeling suspicious about him giving town reads so frequently, but lowell does tend to do that sometimes.

It really feels like you're reaching to tie me in with lowell here. Like scum preparing to bus and then bring a few townies down with fake associations.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think Virtue is scum with SS based on his catchup.

That leaves 1 more?

[Nosferatu]

based on my theory, that last one would be lowell

[kelbris]

welp, Lowell is getting force-replaced.

[Ollie]

welp, Lowell is getting force-replaced.

Good man Kelbris.

[SnarkySnowman]

Virtue may I ask who you're an alt of?

RC is still scum, I'm re-thinking the bellephant slot. Imperium and Ocean are still scumreads.

[Tammy]

That would defeat the purpose of an alt.

I have some questions to you above. If you're reading, mind answering them?

What about Ranger looks like regular town? You're not bothered by

anything

???

[Tammy]

Do her reads lists look just fine to you? As they are?

[Imperium]

That would defeat the purpose of an alt.

I have some questions to you above. If you're reading, mind answering them?

What about Ranger looks like regular town? You're not bothered by

anything

???

Do her reads lists look just fine to you? As they are?

oops

[Imperium]

Snarky - if you thought severa derailed a part of discussion (I'm guessing on Bella?) why didn't you engage in it? Why couldn't it have been reemphasized?

Why do you talk like you think you're god's gift to scumhunting?
I'll give you a little hint: you're not.
I will not be unvoting CoM today unless something big happens.

Snarky why is this derailing kts?

Kts was/is acting like he's gods gift to the game.

There was no derailing but a refusal to bus here.

snarky

So they're easy for you to find and don't get lost in your deep deep reading of the game.

[Nosferatu]

Virtue may I ask who you're an alt of?

RC is still scum, I'm re-thinking the bellephant slot. Imperium and Ocean are still scumreads.

Do you have associatives to any of those scumreads

[Virtue]

Yeah, I just skimmed through Lowell's ISO. I'm content voting here until I am fully caught up. My biggest concern is that KTS and Nosferatu are both acting very weird about this, but I cannot get ahead of myself.

VOTE: Lowell

what is up with the level of lack of comprehension here? I mention lowell rarely, and the only post of me talking about him is me saying he's not tonally the same as my last scum-game with him, and that I was feeling suspicious about him giving town reads so frequently, but lowell does tend to do that sometimes.

It really feels like you're reaching to tie me in with lowell here. Like scum preparing to bus and then bring a few townies down with fake associations.

You can play semantic games all you want to with my definition of weird but your "hedging" or my view of it as a soft defense (yeah he's scummy but look at this over here), the relationship is weird. If you think Lowell's scum, you should vote him. Rather, it looks like you're just coming up with reasons to agree with everyone here. Where's the hunting? The critical analysis I'm used to you from you?

[Virtue]

Virtue may I ask who you're an alt of?

RC is still scum, I'm re-thinking the bellephant slot. Imperium and Ocean are still scumreads.

*squnits* Really? Those reads? You have two scumreads that are the most vocal and respected players who just happen to be scumreading you and another vocal player on the other wagon. How'd you reach those conclusions?

[Killthestory]

My reads are largely the same as they were in my catchup. I have far too many I am suspicious of still but I am leaning in favor of Nosferatu/Lowell/KTS having a few scum in there. I haven't reached Ranger's sub in during my catch up. I have jmo and Imperium as town. Jmo is Snarky.

this post is absolute ass

oh my god this is so bad stop sotp sto ps stop ranger is obvtown lowell was obvscum and imperium is probably scum hard defending her buddy forcing a mislynch on ranger