Open 633: Near Vanilla-GAME OVER

[Ollie]

Not really. Can't see a defense here. More like hedging actually.

Why are you hedging on Lowell Nos?

[Ollie]

I think Virtue is scum with SS based on his catchup.

why?

[Nosferatu]

Yeah, I just skimmed through Lowell's ISO. I'm content voting here until I am fully caught up. My biggest concern is that KTS and Nosferatu are both acting very weird about this, but I cannot get ahead of myself.

VOTE: Lowell

what is up with the level of lack of comprehension here? I mention lowell rarely, and the only post of me talking about him is me saying he's not tonally the same as my last scum-game with him, and that I was feeling suspicious about him giving town reads so frequently, but lowell does tend to do that sometimes.

It really feels like you're reaching to tie me in with lowell here. Like scum preparing to bus and then bring a few townies down with fake associations.

You can play semantic games all you want to with my definition of weird but your "hedging" or my view of it as a soft defense (yeah he's scummy but look at this over here), the relationship is weird. If you think Lowell's scum, you should vote him. Rather, it looks like you're just coming up with reasons to agree with everyone here. Where's the hunting? The critical analysis I'm used to you from you?

I don't understand. How is my relationship with lowell weird?

Your "hedging" which I still maintain is a weak defense is wierd. If you think he's scum, you should vote him without caring about how you'll be perceived. It's a wierd relationship to have someone as a scumread to but to always essentially say he's scum yahhh butttt he kinda looks townie over here.

I didn't say I was scum reading him. I said I would be paying attention to him.

What is your read on Lowell then?

null-scum.

In other places you call him a scumlean. Don't sell me that's not a "scumread" or that you said you'd be paying more attention.

when I hedged I didn't have him as scum. I said "lowell might be scum but I'm kinda iffy on that."

[Nosferatu]

Not really. Can't see a defense here. More like hedging actually.

Why

did

you

hedge

on Lowell Nos?

past-tense, it was almost 13000 posts ago.

He's null-scum now because he hasn't posted enough for me to make a final decision, but if I had to pick an alignment for him, he'd be scum.

[Ollie]

My reads look something like this atm...

Killthestory, OceanWind, MagnaofIllusion, Imperium
RadiantCowbells
Nosferatu, Massive
Virtue
Lowell, Ranger

Although RC & Virtue are where they are from my Severa (who might as well have been a different player) & Bella reads, harder to get a read on their 'replacements'. Nos I'm unsure about atm. Ranger's responses have been good lately but the Snarky scum read is convenient & I'd like to see how I read Lowell's replacement so my vote stays.

[Ranger]

And Imperium, who you've spent the last few pages bickering with is where?

Whoops.

{Ollie, Killthestory, OceanWind, RadiantCowbells, MagnaofIllusion, Nosferatu}
{acryon}
{Imperium}
{Virtue}
{Lowell}
{SnarkySnowman}

convenient that Snarky is your top scum read Ranger.

Yes, how convenient it is that my top scumread is the player

I am voting

who I have

actively tried to lynch

. Funny how that works, innit?

[Ranger]

{Ollie, Killthestory, OceanWind, RadiantCowbells, MagnaofIllusion, Nosferatu}
{acryon}
{Imperium}
{Virtue}
{Lowell}
{SnarkySnowman}

I'd like to clarify that there's a gap between acryon and Imperium, but

also

a huge gap between Imperium and Virtue.
acryon's fallen out of my townbloc and I'm waiting for the replacement there. Imperium's not even close to that level, but their posting's feeling much better overall, which is why they're well north of the nullline.

[SnarkySnowman]

Pretty sure there's at least two scum in your "townblock", ranger.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think there's exactly 1.

[Ollie]

convenient that Snarky is your top scum read Ranger.

Yes, how convenient it is that my top scumread is the player

I am voting

who I have

actively tried to lynch

. Funny how that works, innit?

Have you played with Snarky before? He had 3 votes when you replaced in, you had no reason of your own for voting for him. Only then did you read the game & nothing changed in your reads lists. Reminder...

VOTE: SnarkySnowman.
I'm starting my readthrough now, but I think Drunk RC is town and I think that if he's calling SS a scummy scumperson, SnarkySnowman was probably a scummy scumperson.

[Ollie]

I think Virtue is scum with SS based on his catchup.

why?

^

[Ranger]

Have you played with Snarky before?

More than any player in here, except possibly RadiantCowbells. So, yes. Extensively. As both alignments.

This is his scumgame.

[SnarkySnowman]

I'm gonna look back, because I don't think you have any completed games where I was scum.

[SnarkySnowman]

In fact yes, you haven't played in any completed games where I was scum. So why does this look like my scumgame to you, as opposed to my towngame?

[RadiantCowbells]

In fact yes, you haven't played in any completed games where I was scum. So why does this look like my scumgame to you, as opposed to my towngame?

why are you arguing with Ranger instead of me?

[SnarkySnowman]

Actually, neither you nor Ranger has a completed game where I was scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Have an uncompleted one though!

At least until this finishes.

[SnarkySnowman]

So why am I scum here?

[RadiantCowbells]

because of reasons things and stuff.

you know you're scum. stahp.

[Ollie]

Have you played with Snarky before?

More than any player in here, except possibly RadiantCowbells. So, yes. Extensively. As both alignments.

This is his scumgame.

Have an uncompleted one though!

At least until this finishes.

When have you two successfully read Snarky during a game?

[SnarkySnowman]

For the most part, they both tend to scumread me - see my wiki, which is mostly up to date on completed games.

[Ranger]

In fact yes, you haven't played in any completed games where I was scum.

The key word there is 'completed'.

When have you two successfully read Snarky during a game?

Most games actually. So,

For the most part, they both tend to scumread me

This is actually a flat-out lie. At least for me. Can't speak for RC, but I'd assume it's also not true of him.

[Imperium]

Magna - nacho will get his butt in here today

The current line of defense from snarky is silly. Everybody here has access to current games along with their flips and playerlists. And completed or uncompleted anyone can read those games and use them to inform their read on a player and how they act as scum or town, even if we can't talk about the ongoing ones. For the record, I didn't find anything that greatly distinguishes his scum/town game and a couple times I thought I found a smoking gun I found a town game he did it too. So who knows.

[kelbris]

vote count 2.07

Bellaphant

Virtue (0): none
Severa (1): SnarkySnowman

Jim Heuristically_Alone

Ranger (2): MagnaofIllusion, Ollie

jmo16mla

SnarkySnowman (5) [L-2]: Severa, Imperium, Nosferatu, Ranger, Oceanwind
MagnaofIllusion (0): none
Imperium (0): none
Killthestory (1): Acryon

Lowell

Masquerade (3): Ollie, killthestory, Virtue
Nosferatu (0): none

acryon

Massive (0): none
OceanWind (0): none
Ollie (1): Masquerade
not voting:
With 12 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.
day 2 has begun, it will end in (expired on 2016-05-04 20:01:46)

I have yet to find a replacement for Lowell, no-one has contacted me.

[RadiantCowbells]

For the most part, they both tend to scumread me - see my wiki, which is mostly up to date on completed games.

this is 100% a lie. I defended the fuck out of you in miller's hollow and was one of the only people who did.