Mini 1785: Game Over!

[Heat]

VC 2.03

Ircher (4):

I Am Innocent, Postie, JarJarDrinks, Mr Meeseeks

Postie (3):

Expedience, Dwlee99, Ircher

Mr Meeseeks (1):

RadiantCowbells

Not Voting (3):

acryon, MURDERCAT, Maxous

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-05-15 00:00:00)

[Ircher]

I honestly cant see why you cant understand.

[MURDERCAT]

Because there is confirmed scum to you? Why would you not want to lynch the confirmed scum to you??

[Ircher]

I never said I didnt. But, possibly gaining an extra investigation imo is a worthwhile risk for towm not to lynch Postie right now and lynch someone else by concensus.

[MURDERCAT]

I never said I didnt. But, possibly gaining an extra investigation imo is a worthwhile risk for towm not to lynch Postie right now and lynch someone else by concensus.

what the fuck is this...

[MURDERCAT]

Like if you are gs then you know that postie isn't. You think there are two gs in the game?? If you are not at L-1 I'm voting you.

[Ircher]

Can you not read? What's the risk of not lynching Postie or me today?

Pedit: Yes - 1 town and 1 mafia

[Ircher]

Let me put it this way:

As scum, I have little reason to directly cc Postie. If I did, then I basically outed myself for an even trade. Gunsmith is not super powerful cuz it can get all sorts of false results.

[Mr Meeseeks]

What's the risk of not lynching Postie or me today?

1) associative tells! we still dont officially 100% know which of you/post is scum! once we find out who is scum, we can find more scum easier. this is like, a basic mafia principle
2) less scum alive limits mafias options. especially when there is a jailkeeper. fewer scum alive makes nightkill actions be forced into a more limited scope of people which can be beneficial for us
3) power roles. at least one scum is a power role. getting that lynched stops it from being used


sure, theres no "risk", but there is minimal benefit to keeping scum alive

[MURDERCAT]

But YOU know for sure. So why are YOU so quick to not lynch the confirmed scum? And why are you sheeping RC so hard? Besides it seems like there's a roleblocker in this setup anyway.

You CCing as scum makes sense for the reason I explained before, scum trades a suspected slot for PR and town cred for another scum.

[Mr Meeseeks]

Let me put it this way:

As scum, I have little reason to directly cc Postie. If I did, then I basically outed myself for an even trade. Gunsmith is not super powerful cuz it can get all sorts of false results.

if youre scum and rc is your scumpartner - a possibility which im definitely not ignoring - then having you claim a guilty on him works out beneficial for him

because eventually you will get lynched, whether or not postie is lynched first, and that will make rc look townie as fuck

and anyone who has played with rc knows its hardly ridiculous for him to sacrifice scumpartners so he can look town and bruteforce his way through the game

[Ircher]

That ^ (Mee Post) is a decent response. No one has brought those points up at all, so I havent really considered them, esp. associative tells.

Rather than insist I'm stupid and/or scum, Mee explains the flaws in the thought.

[Mr Meeseeks]

as town, you have surprisingly little motivation to townread and trust rc as much as you do

because you supposedly got a guilty result on him

like sure, he claimed a thing that gets a false guilty

but for you to put him under no scrutiny for that at all is, frankly, baffling

[JarJarDrinks]

What's the risk of not lynching Postie or me today?

I'll quote you exactly what I posted to RC in the game he was scum and was asking the same question:

The town is on a clock and we only have so many mislynches before it runs out. Scum is just trying to run out that clock.

[Ircher]

Your right -- I ought to suspect RC more.

Tbh, town sounds weak in this setup. Someone recap pls.

@Jar
Just stop with the bias.

[JarJarDrinks]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Gunsmith

RC could be telling the truth, as Gunsmiths get guilties on backup cops.

But, I'm inclined to disbelieve it.

Either way, Postie is the best lynch.

[Ircher]

That was before RC's suggestions.

[JarJarDrinks]

Like right there, not only do u call postie the best lynch but you say you don't believe RC

[JarJarDrinks]

That was before RC's suggestions.

lol

[Ircher]

Opinions can change you know. Postie isn't any less conf scum, but the order can change.

[Ircher]

@Jar
Why are you tunneling?

[JarJarDrinks]

Uh, is "cause ur obvscum" not a good enough answer?

[Ircher]

Uh, cuz you've done it since daystart.

I could see a Postie/Jar/RC team now. Could explain the townread RC has on Jar.

[RadiantCowbells]

Meseeks is scum.
JarJar is either bad or scum as well.

We're lynching Postie today, thank you.

Uh, cuz you've done it since daystart.

I could see a Postie/Jar/RC team now. Could explain the townread RC has on Jar.

I don't understand why everyone feels the need to throw me on scumteams that make little sense.

[Mr Meeseeks]

Your right -- I ought to suspect RC more.

Tbh, town sounds weak in this setup. Someone recap pls.

@Jar
Just stop with the bias.

im gonna assume all people are telling the truth for the sake of this


gunsmith is town investigative
vig, likely 1-shot (false positive too)
town joat with a commute and jail and ?
backup cop (purely false positive)

that doesnt sound that weak to me. presuming that scum has a roleblocker rather than a doc, the vig has a decent chance of hitting scum. the joats three abilities are clearly set up to use the first and claim it the following day, commute to absorb the nightkill and then use the other ability on n3, making it pretty powerful for a joat. sure, there are two false positives, but right now im doubting that one of them is town so hey-ho.

scum probably doesnt have anything too powerful. probably just an rb, although if postie is scum they have a doc to have been able to fakeclaim gs and that

does

sound unbalanced because that gives scum both a high-probability way to avoid the vig actually hitting scum as well as an effective godfather