Open 636 - Nightless Vengeful Mayhem - Game Over

[acryon]

I cannot tell a lie

We clearly feel similarly about Severa and while I feel this player may do this as either alignment, the fact remains that the gambit has left this Severa somewhere near the middle of everyone's readlists I imagine. If Severa is town, would he ever really think a typical town would oblige in his request to be lynched? This is what strikes me as it being potentially disingenuous.

[Not_Mafia]

If I didn't know Severa's main he'd be at the top of my list

[acryon]

If I didn't know Severa's main he'd be at the top of my list

Top of your town list or scum list?

[Not_Mafia]

Town

[acryon]

Town

Same, since I think he knows better than the average shmo. Hmm...

[Bellaphant]

@notmaf, talk to me about dupin?

[Not_Mafia]

What about him?

[Postie]

Oh! And if we get lucky and hit the Day Goon, they won't even have the opportunity to use their shots!

This feels fairly fake.

Why?

Suppose I should also move my vote.

VOTE: duppin

Why's he scum again?

[Postie]

BTW, I have a townread on Blue Yoshi so I'm not going to get behind a lynch on him today. I got pretty strong townvibes from his questions near the start of the game.

[heuristically_alone]

Right now I've decided on Duppin and Postie as my biggest scum reads. When I saw duppin ask that someone ask him something, I wanted to ask the same question. Town are generally more likely to give a simple no answer while scum tend to deflect the question in some way or not answer. I've just been having bad feelings about Postie, similar to those Postie has for me, but not in an omgus sense.

Um... what? Sorry but this makes no sense at all. Why do you think town are more likely to give a simple no answer and what exactly do you base this on? Because I don't agree with you at all. This is actually not me trying to defend myself, but I'd really like to know why you believe this to be the case.

Of course a scum like you would doubt my logic. To me logically and psychologically speaking it just makes sense. Obviously never a 100% gaurantee thing, but then again, nothing ever in this game.

[heuristically_alone]

Town

Bellaphant
acryon
Aristophanes
heuristically_alone
Severa
Flubbernugget
duppin
SnarkySnowman
pistachi0n
Blue Yoshi
Postie
Not_Mafia

Scum

I cannot tell a lie

This just might be my favorite reads list so far very. Haha

[Postie]

Of course a scum like you would doubt my logic.

H_A, why is everyone who questions you scum?

[heuristically_alone]

Acron, can I get a readslist from you too? I could lynch way too many people...

To be honest I'm not one for readslists, but I'll humor you. This can be a ranking from most likely town to most likely scum.

Town

acryon
Bellaphant
Flubbernugget
Severa
Aristophanes
SnarkySnowman
pistachi0n
heuristically_alone
Blue Yoshi
Postie
Not_Mafia
duppin

Scum

Suppose I should also move my vote.

VOTE: duppin

Actually move Postie below you on my list.

Glad I'm not the only one thinking duppin and postie are the most scummy.

[heuristically_alone]

Of course a scum like you would doubt my logic.

H_A, why is everyone who questions you scum?

Have i accused everyone that has ever questioned me? I haven't noticed. Maybe scum just find me as a good questioning target this game.

[Postie]

lol.

Okay heuristic can be town.

[Bellaphant]

I just want to understand people's reads on him, notmaffy.

[Not_Mafia]

I find him to be unexceptional so far

[acryon]

Oh! And if we get lucky and hit the Day Goon, they won't even have the opportunity to use their shots!

This feels fairly fake.

Why?

I think because obviously that would be the best case scenario. Just felt a bit forced to see it written out. Like you are trying hard to look town.

Suppose I should also move my vote.

VOTE: duppin

Why's he scum again?

93: Faux-content. Everyone obviously already agreed on Severa's play, so no point in overexplaining about it the way he did. Then he asks Ari a fluff question, which he knew would likely give a fluff answer considering how he later responded to a similar question from Postie.

235 finds us an indictment for focusing on Severa but not really doing anything else, and this basically describes dupppin's play up to that point.

240: Seems weird to base your reads on a single slot's alignment especially when you

don't know that spots alignment

.

[Postie]

93: Faux-content. Everyone obviously already agreed on Severa's play, so no point in overexplaining about it the way he did. Then he asks Ari a fluff question, which he knew would likely give a fluff answer considering how he later responded to a similar question from Postie.

Why is fluff alignment indicative?

235 finds us an indictment for focusing on Severa but not really doing anything else, and this basically describes dupppin's play up to that point.

Why is hypocrisy alignment indicative?

240: Seems weird to base your reads on a single slot's alignment especially when you

don't know that spots alignment

.

Why is something being "weird" alignment indicative?

[Postie]

Also, can you explain your Blue Yoshi scumread?

[acryon]

93: Faux-content. Everyone obviously already agreed on Severa's play, so no point in overexplaining about it the way he did. Then he asks Ari a fluff question, which he knew would likely give a fluff answer considering how he later responded to a similar question from Postie.

Why is fluff alignment indicative?

Isolated incidents are not. But the fact remains it is faux-content.

235 finds us an indictment for focusing on Severa but not really doing anything else, and this basically describes dupppin's play up to that point.

Why is hypocrisy alignment indicative?

Because he evidently thinks that kind of play

is

scum-indicative, but if he is town, then it's clearly not.

240: Seems weird to base your reads on a single slot's alignment especially when you

don't know that spots alignment

.

Why is something being "weird" alignment indicative?

"Weird" is more something that pings than something which is clearly scum or town. When I put the pieces together, it makes the weird things look a little worse.

p.edit: Re: BlueYoshi scumread. My list was simply a rank from Towniest to Scummiest. Being toward the bottom doesn't mean I think someone is really scum, but rather I think they are scummier than the people above them currently. But some of Blue Yoshi's content just feels like trying to be active and look town more-so than others. I outlined a couple issues I have with BY's reads in 319. But again this is not me saying I particularly think he is scum, but he is on my watchlist.

[Postie]

Isolated incidents are not. But the fact remains it is faux-content.

So is it scummy or isn't it?

Because he evidently thinks that kind of play

is

scum-indicative, but if he is town, then it's clearly not.

He doesn't have a whole lot of content yet so I'm really sure it's fair to compare the two situations in that way.

"Weird" is more something that pings than something which is clearly scum or town. When I put the pieces together, it makes the weird things look a little worse.

If it doesn't "ping" as scum or town, how can it be alignment indicative?

[acryon]

Isolated incidents are not. But the fact remains it is faux-content.

So is it scummy or isn't it?

Faux-content is anti-town at best, but scum can use it easily to hide. Very few things are "scummy" or "townie". Gotta view them in the context of everything else. And what I see from dupp is faux-content, calling people out for doing things he is doing, and trying to appear to be doing things.

Because he evidently thinks that kind of play

is

scum-indicative, but if he is town, then it's clearly not.

He doesn't have a whole lot of content yet so I'm really sure it's fair to compare the two situations in that way.

I think it is. Don't think it's ok to criticize someone for a certain way of playing but then say the other is fine because they don't have enough content.

"Weird" is more something that pings than something which is clearly scum or town. When I put the pieces together, it makes the weird things look a little worse.

If it doesn't "ping" as scum or town, how can it be alignment indicative?

Well it pings as one or the other, but it's not clearly scum or town. Ping tends to be gut-driven, which isn't based on norms of "town" or "scum"-indication.

[Postie]

Faux-content is anti-town at best, but scum can use it easily to hide. Very few things are "scummy" or "townie". Gotta view them in the context of everything else. And what I see from dupp is faux-content, calling people out for doing things he is doing, and trying to appear to be doing things.

Okay, so, in the context of everything else, is it scummy or isn't it?

I think it is. Don't think it's ok to criticize someone for a certain way of playing but then say the other is fine because they don't have enough content.

These are all of the posts duppin made about Severa before he made the post you linked to:

Alrighty, VOTE: Severa

Agreed.

I thought Severa was doing it for reactions at first, but seems like he/she might be serious. If you truly are, please reconsider. It's disrespectful and I don't understand why you would sign up if you aren't going to play the game.

So... Aristo, are you town? pls be honest

Two posts. I'm not going to go and count how many posts I've mentioned Severa in, but I can tell you it's a heck of a lot more than this.
Tell me how the situations are comparable again.

Well it pings as one or the other, but it's not clearly scum or town. Ping tends to be gut-driven, which isn't based on norms of "town" or "scum"-indication.

If you don't know if it's scummy or towny why are you listing it as a reason to scumread him?

[acryon]

Faux-content is anti-town at best, but scum can use it easily to hide. Very few things are "scummy" or "townie". Gotta view them in the context of everything else. And what I see from dupp is faux-content, calling people out for doing things he is doing, and trying to appear to be doing things.

Okay, so, in the context of everything else, is it scummy or isn't it?

I believe it is.

So... Aristo, are you town? pls be honest

Two posts. I'm not going to go and count how many posts I've mentioned Severa in, but I can tell you it's a heck of a lot more than this.
Tell me how the situations are comparable again.

Because it was about the only substantive post he had made all game.

Well it pings as one or the other, but it's not clearly scum or town. Ping tends to be gut-driven, which isn't based on norms of "town" or "scum"-indication.

If you don't know if it's scummy or towny why are you listing it as a reason to scumread him?

You never know what is townie and what is scummy. At the end of the day, every non-informed player is to some extent guessing. His body of work, including this ping, makes me feel like he is scum.

Like, if you're looking for a slam-dunk case on why dupp is definitely scum, you're not going to find it for a number of reasons. It all comes town to my opinion on whether what he is doing comes from town or scum-motivation. I feel it comes from the latter.