Open 638: Friends and Enemies! (And Enemies!) - GAME OVER!

[Randomnamechange]

But that isn't true. Ranger said it was an accident
PEdit: If you wouldn't mind explaining the BTD6 readm that would be great thanks

[KuroiXHF]

Vote Count - Day One - VC#5

killthestory - 2 - randomidget, Karnos
Creature - 0 -
Kop - 0 -
Masquerade- 1 - Ranger
Kasumeat - 1 - Kop
Javajoe24 - 0 -
Ranger - 2 - Kasumeat, Javajoe
karnos - 0 -
BTD6_maker - 0 -
Ozymandias - 0 -
randomidget - 3 - Creature, BTD6_maker, killthestory
Charloux - 0 -

Not Voting: Ozymandias, Charloux, Masquerade

With twelve alive, it takes seven to lynch!

"The language of friendship is not words but meanings." - Henry David Thoreau

(expired on 2016-05-24 11:13:00)

Mod Notes:
- It's been twenty four hours since Dr. DoLittle's prod and I see no reason why he'll come back any time soon.

I will search for a replacement for Dr. DoLittle.

[Charloux]

Stop sealing my page top!

That's called karma

[KuroiXHF]

By the way, Ozymandias replaces Dr. DoLittle. Please welcome him aboard!

[Creature]

Current leans:

BTD6_maker, Charloux, Masquerade, Ranger

DrDolittle's slot, Killthestory, Kop, randomidget

Javajoe24, karnos, Kasumeat

[Ranger]

{randomidget, Kop}
{Creature}
{Charloux, karnos, BTD6, Javajoe}
{Killthestory}
{Masquerade}
{Kasumeat}

Mod: I moved my vote to Masquerade, but I'm still listed on the Killthestory wagon.

Though,
VOTE: Kasumeat.
Masquerade's no townread, but his 117 puts him a tier above Kasumeat. (They were otherwise equal in scumminess until that point.)

[KuroiXHF]

Fixed.

[BTD6_maker]

UNVOTE:

My RVS vote wasn't doing anything. RVS seems to be very Non Alignment Indicative.

I think that Kasumeat is a very slight scumread at the moment (effectively nullscum). It's the strongest I have and it's certainly better than an RVS vote.

VOTE: Kasumeat

[Ozymandias]

Hai.

VOTE: karnos

I really dislike his posts, they all strikes me as too cautious.

Top class play coming from kts, not calling L-1 on page 2. Confident in the vote now.
Also kts, I was the first person to vote you. I'm not jumping on the wagon, I'm returning to it.

Wasn't it though? I hate to defend him, but you unvoted yourself, leaving 3 votes. BTD voted you, 4, then KTS voted, 5. Puts you at L-2. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I have gone over the thread twice and I don't see it adding up to you being at L-1 with KTS's vote.

Spreading misinformation looks a bit scummy, but I think it could be an honest accident.

Particularly don't like this one.

Ah OK that makes sense. I can see why the reads on KTS and Karnos.

I'll happily change my vote to KTS if that helps. I just don't want to be the jerk that pushes a lynch onto a nice townie on day 1, and I am not yet confident that KTS is scum.

Do you believe anyone on the Kts-wagon legit scumreads him?

.

KTS is one of the players I have seen before. If he wasn't, I would absolutely be scum reading him, but I know from the prior game that his town play just likes a bit scummy. That doesn't actually rule out him being scum, though, and right now I have no other real leads. I would probably be voting him if he wasn't already shouldering several votes.

And this.

Kts has 2 votes, I'd understand being careful for a derphammer but the wagon isn't even close to hammer. Seems like you're being overly careful. What exactly is the 'lead' you have on Kts? What do you think is scummy about his play so far that warrants a maybe-vote?

Mostly his early posts, for example #21 doesn't really serve much benefit, it just makes people less likely to post. Don't get me wrong, it's not a strong scum read of any sort, it's just the most I have seen so far this game. I personally think that reads on day 1 are unlikely to be accurate except through dumb luck anyway.

I guess it doesn't hurt to back up my thinking with an actual vote.
UNVOTE: dr dolittle
VOTE: Killthestory

How does the post you linked make people less likely to post?

I don't like the katsu wagon, I am town reading him based on tone right now. Most posts feel genuine, even if the content is not exactly top town read material. Will look into it later.

[Ozymandias]

Nvm.

I forgot about post 77. Still quite thought it was a reaction test.

What kind of reaction test would this be?

[Creature]

VOTE: Kasumeat

I can't understand you, you say Ranger's mistake is scummy but you say there's no motivation at all.

[Ranger]

PEdit: If you wouldn't mind explaining the BTD6 readm that would be great thanks

Sure thing. I liked 9 a little, so BTD started as a mild townread: not solid, but placed well enough on page one. 31 was a fairly typical first-Ranger-game response, except this line:

Can you even have such strong reads yet?

Rubbed me the wrong way. This was further amplified by 40, where they defended Killthestory and attacked the strength of my reads. It's one thing to ask how I can have reads, it's another to state it is impossible for me to have them, and BTD looked like they were doing the latter. The vote on you for pressure felt like a horrible afterthought thrown in to make them look like they were doing something. This bounced back in 79, because

that

was the way I was originally expecting a town player new to me to ask about my reads, yet I had given no prior indication of this and there were no hints in-thread that this is what I was looking for.

[Ozymandias]

Yellow as mod colour is hurting me.

[Creature]

Nvm.

I forgot about post 77. Still quite thought it was a reaction test.

What kind of reaction test would this be?

I believe she was testing to see if someone was paying attention.

[Creature]

Nvm.

I forgot about post 77. Still quite thought it was a reaction test.

What kind of reaction test would this be?

I believe she was testing to see if someone was paying attention.

*would be

[Ranger]

{randomidget, Kop}
{Creature}
{BTD6}
{Charloux, karnos, Javajoe}
{Killthestory, Ozymandias}
{Masquerade}
{Kasumeat}

[Ozymandias]

Yeah, that's a poor vote kop. His push on Joe would be a better reason

Masq's defense of Kop was a bit off.

I liked Random entrance, but both of these posts put me off.

Seem like generic statements to doubcast without actually exposing yourself. What did you not like about Masq defense?

[Ozymandias]

Nvm.

I forgot about post 77. Still quite thought it was a reaction test.

What kind of reaction test would this be?

I believe she was testing to see if someone was paying attention.

*would be

And how is paying attention indicative of anything?

[Kasumeat]

Ranger, I can see how you could mistake that uncoloured post for a non-mod post. (

128 is not in mod-colour either

) But what doesn't make sense is that you wouldn't read the rest of his many posts before posting your read. And now you're scum-reading me because I cased you on what many people agree is a very suspicious post of yours. That should be increasing my town cred in your eyes, not decreasing it.

[Creature]

Well i like using "rating" for my reads, which goes from -10 to 10. Everyone starts at 0 and depending on their posts it changes.

So where everyone is at currently?

[Charloux]

Well i like using "rating" for my reads, which goes from -10 to 10. Everyone starts at 0 and depending on their posts it changes.

So where everyone is at currently?

Nothing noteworthy i'm afraid. Since it's still early in the game everybody is pretty much between -1 and 1. Kasumeat is my scummiest read with -2.5.

[Ozymandias]

I am seeing Ranger as town. I believe she usually makes not-so-well-thought gut reads. The Kuroi read seems weird, but I don't see scum motivation behind it.

Both of these points seem null, so I am interested in knowing where the town read comes from?

Nvm.

I forgot about post 77. Still quite thought it was a reaction test.

What kind of reaction test would this be?

I believe she was testing to see if someone was paying attention.

*would be

And how is paying attention indicative of anything?

I would like this to be addressed.

[BTD6_maker]

PEdit: If you wouldn't mind explaining the BTD6 readm that would be great thanks

Sure thing. I liked 9 a little, so BTD started as a mild townread: not solid, but placed well enough on page one. 31 was a fairly typical first-Ranger-game response, except this line:

Can you even have such strong reads yet?

Rubbed me the wrong way. This was further amplified by 40, where they defended Killthestory and attacked the strength of my reads. It's one thing to ask how I can have reads, it's another to state it is impossible for me to have them, and BTD looked like they were doing the latter. The vote on you for pressure felt like a horrible afterthought thrown in to make them look like they were doing something. This bounced back in 79, because

that

was the way I was originally expecting a town player new to me to ask about my reads, yet I had given no prior indication of this and there were no hints in-thread that this is what I was looking for.

I was trying to ask how it was possible for you to have reads at all, when there was next to nothing of note so far as RVS is full of NAI. I was not implying that you do not have reads, that it it impossible to have reads at that stage, or that you are scum for having early reads.

[Ranger]

But what doesn't make sense is that you wouldn't read the rest of his many posts before posting your read.

To my knowledge, that was his first post in the game. I did not see Kuroi posting prior to that, because again, I filter out the moderator as being, "oh, moderator post", not "oh, Kuroi the moderator posted".

And now you're scum-reading me because I cased you on what many people agree is a very suspicious post of yours.

One, I held the scumread on you well before then, two, it's cute that you think I'm scumreading you for that and not other things, and three, this is an appeal to majority.

[Kasumeat]

The buddying between Creature and Ranger was just so hard and came out of nowhere and it was Creature defending a post which even Ranger admitted was stupid as fuck. I suppose it's possible they're masons but I cannot possibly believe they're both VT.