Open 633: Near Vanilla-GAME OVER

[MagnaofIllusion]

Pretty sure I haven't called the massive slot scum. That's a slot I need to confirm is town. I also never called RC scum. So, there's four players. This is also a bad point and you know it. Ask that same question to Imperium. If you asked them who they haven't suspected at all, I don't think they'd be able to produce four names. Reads evolve. I have had my read on Nosferatu, for instance, evolve from a scumread into a townread.

Bullshit. RC is dead. I'm talking about currently living players. The fact that you try to shoe-horn in a dead player into the assessment is bad. Regardless of your alignment. Of course reads evolve. I'm saying yours have not evolved in a way that reads Town to me in the least.

I'll look at your ISO on Massive to see whether that holds water or not.

[massive]

Pretty sure I haven't called the massive slot scum. That's a slot I need to confirm is town.

I'm down. It would help me to get an idea where you are coming from too, because I'm not anywhere near confident of you being scum like some of the others seem to be. What can I answer that would be helpful?

[kelbris]

Hi everyone, glad the game is back in action. VC incoming, also, I shall extend the day by 3 days to account for the site's downtime.

[kelbris]

VC 3.07

Titus (0): none
Ranger (2): Masquerade, MagnaofIllusion
MagnaofIllusion (0): none
Imperium (0): none
Killthestory (0): none
Masquerade (5) [L-1]: RachMarie, Ollie, Massive, Killthestory, Titus
Nosferatu (0): none
Massive (0): None
RachMarie (0): none
Ollie (0): none
not voting: Ranger, Imperium, Nosferatu
With 10 players alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
day 3 has begun, it will end in (expired on 2016-05-22 01:10:00)

[Ranger]

RC is dead.

So? My point holds that he was never a scumread.

I'm talking about currently living players.

Almost half of which I'm currently townreading, with another player (massive) at null and in need of being sorted desperately.

I'm saying yours have not evolved in a way that reads Town to me in the least.

Each of those changes has a reason.

1. The first, Nosferatu from a weak scumread to an increasingly-large townread. This is because Nosferatu's content was largely nullscum early-on, but his later content was very, very solidly town. This happened about mid-way through yesterday.
2. The second, Imperium. I have gone over this read many times, and am in no mood to discuss it again. It happened near the end of yesterday.
3. The third, Lowell/Masquerade, was a degrading townread for the various reasons I've said.
4. The fourth, Titus, was because Titus is playing her scum game, and I knew it was her even when she was Virtue.
5. The fifth, OceanWind, was because I found his treatment of SnarkySnowman at the end of yesterday
   incredibly
   suspect, and his pushes at the start of today only increased this.
6. The sixth, Ollie, was my holdout read. OceanWind raised some good points about Ollie, and Ollie's posting got worse, enough for the townread to evaporate.

So two of my reads have gone up, and four down, but all at different times and for different reasons.

What can I answer that would be helpful?

I don't think there's anything you can do to make me get a good read on you other than to keep posting actively and engage others. I don't have anything I can think of to ask you; questions aren't the best way for me to get a read.

[Masquerade]

So rn I'm thinking massive and Ocean are town. Gonna take a break and come back later for more reads.

[Masquerade]

Oh but I didn't read Acryon so that read is purely based on what massive has done so far. I might read him later.

[Killthestory]

MoI is the best memer known to man

[Nosferatu]

[*]The fourth, Titus, was because Titus is playing her scum game, and I knew it was her even when she was Virtue.

Really? The reason why I'm not completely sold on the slot now that she's revealed as Titus was that I didn't feel she was playing her scum game. Could you elaborate pls?

[Ranger]

Could you elaborate pls?

Sure, I'll do it tomorrow. Today was mostly just celebrating the site coming back; I'm planning on turning in for the night.

[Imperium]

I realize that we only have threw days left and I will probably not be able to do anything revolutionary before end of day but I'll try to at least be alive and poking at things.

[Imperium]

Vote: Ollie

Masquerade's recent posting seems fairly genuine and I feel absolutely terrible about voting her.

[Imperium]

The fourth, Titus, was because Titus is playing her scum game, and I knew it was her even when she was Virtue.

This seems like a pretty easy way to push Titus, but not a particularly convincing one. Why aren't you voting her?

[Imperium]

Pretty sure I haven't called the massive slot scum. That's a slot I need to confirm is town.

I'm down. It would help me to get an idea where you are coming from too, because I'm not anywhere near confident of you being scum like some of the others seem to be. What can I answer that would be helpful?

What are your reasons for voting Masq?

[Imperium]

I happen to think your slot is scum for the things you've done (rather, the lack of things done) and what your predecessor did (rather, lack of things he did)

This implies that the case on this slot is "hasn't done Jack shit", which is not a particularly compelling case to me.

[Imperium]

now I feel really bad about doing that because I want you to get off my back because I posted something towny, not something personal.

This reads pretty genuine.

[Imperium]

I'm feeling Masq more like an entrapped animal rather than a desperate townie trying to make others see reason.

Townies are not really always calm in rational in the face of a push. I don't find your "Lowell hated me in one game but was cool with me this game" as a particularly compelling reason; people's moods change and Lowell scumreading you and disliking your play in one game doesn't mean that will always be his response to you if he's town.

[Imperium]

I can't help but feel that vote count is incorrect unless Magna lost his vote or something.

[Imperium]

I am assuming that's a joke. Why should I vote Masq over Nos or Ocean? At this point, I want a leader.

What is your read on Ranger who thinks that this is exactly your scumgame? Why vote Nos or Ocean?

[Imperium]

Unless someone can stop the kill (don't say anything!) then we might have some more breathing room.

Nice soft fish for the known jailkeeper and doctor. It's an open setup for crying out loud.[/quote]
What?
Do you think that she expected a doctor or a jailkeeper to go "I can stop kills! We have breathing room!" or do you think maybe she's not completely insane?

[Imperium]

You say my play this game isn't typical of my normal play, which I have myself admitted. You say you've never seen me play this way before, and I point out you have. After that, you say that game wasn't typical of my normal play so you discarded it. You can't have your cake and eat it too; which is it?

This is a fine point if everything checks out.

[Imperium]

Not in a "oh masq is scum" kind of way though.

[Imperium]

You say my play this game isn't typical of my normal play, which I have myself admitted. You say you've never seen me play this way before, and I point out you have. After that, you say that game wasn't typical of my normal play so you discarded it. You can't have your cake and eat it too; which is it?

Unfortunately, doesn't actually check out.

Masquerade said that she has never seen you this disengaged before. You said that the first game she played with you was a game where you were similarly this disengaged. Her counter was that the game was abnormally short, meaning that it was possible that you were disengaged simply because the game was short and full of modkills. This game is not short. This game is not full of modkills. Her response was a valid one, but you pretended like it was something else entirely. Why?

[Imperium]

which I had no reason to do at the time

The thread said it was day 2. You weren't curious who died overnight?

Vote: Ranger

[Titus]

VLA until Friday

I might have broke my foot at Chicago meet. I am getting it looked at tomorrow.