Mini 1794: Gunslingers Ahoy! {Game Over}

[MURDERCAT]

I was working on that for like 5 minutes before you even posted

[Dunnstral]

Whatever Dunn I had that before you posted that, look at the times.

I mean I'm seeing a solid 6 minute gap there so not sure what I'm looking for

I was working on that for like 5 minutes before you even posted

So you must have reasoning then yes? If you've been working on it for ~10 minutes, can I hear your detailed thoughts on:

BlackStar
Rachmarie
Zefiend

?

[BlackStar]

@braw can you quote some stuff from transcend that you found scummy?

There's not really one post I can point to and call scummy. It's more of an overall pattern of posts that I dislike. Hence, I'll just leave his ISO here.

It mainly comes down to these things.

1) How he doesn't push Accoutant. He lists Accountant as his #1 scum read at time when there's no wagon with more than a vote, and other people have indicated suspicion of him, but does actually nothing to pressure him or try to convince anyone to vote him. If he were Town, this is a perfect opportunity to get his preferred lynch candidate's wagon going. If he's Scum, I can see him being too spooked to lead a wagon he knows is a ML, since he's new and hasn't played Scum before, preferring to just drive-by vote a seemingly good candidate and wait for someone else to lead.

2) Before Accountant, his BlackStar vote is awful. His justification is "BlackStar has been very bad and has made a few scummy votes and a few potentially forced lines.", which is one of the most incredibly vague statements I've heard in this game. It leaves him so incredibly open to just wait and see what the Town agrees with and then parrot it back to look townie. I asked him specifically to explain this and a few others circa #250 and he still has not done so.

3) In a more general sense, I don't like how he posts a reads list with only one sentence justification on each player, says he can go into more detail, is asked to go into more detail, and doesn't. It reads as Scum trying to look helpful without being helpful.

4) The general fluffiness of his posts is pretty bad. They're mostly one-sentence filler that don't involve actual scumhunting.

tl;dr I think Transcend is playing the way he would if this were his first Scum game ever. Really passive, safe play attempting to stay out of the spotlight with little content, by avoiding leading or scumhunting.

*sigh*

UNVOTE: Transcend VOTE: BlackStar

we should revisit this slot later, but there's nothing to be gained from pushing it now, really

So you post a case against Trasvend and one of the things you say against him is that he gave a weak and forced reason for why he voted me. Okay. So if you find that scummy, why you would move your vote back to me just because he replaced out? If he was opportunistically voting me, that would make me town. So why would you decide to vote for me?

[BlackStar]

I've basically just tuned out BlackStar at this point not even sure what he's saying right now

Try actually listening. It'll help.

[BlackStar]

VOTE: brawl

[BlackStar]

I'm going to sleep

[Dunnstral]

I've basically just tuned out BlackStar at this point not even sure what he's saying right now

Try actually listening. It'll help.

Honestly I've basically disagreed with everything you've said all game, just not sure of your alignment

[MURDERCAT]

TBG:
96 Coming in and townreading me and pushing chumba is begging to be attacked by Accountant so I don't think scum does that
Generally interacting with everyone and seems genuine in those interactions
Doesn't go over the top pushing either Blackstar or Chumba. Even when interacting with them he seems genuine in his desire to understand their thinking.
559 Unvotes Blackstar, I don't think scum does that.
General lack of anything that looks really scummy to me.

Chumba:
36 The wagons are fun post doesn't ping me at all. Plenty of town motivation for getting any random wagon started. If anything, I'd expect scum to make it look more legitimate.
I don't really buy into any of TBG's posts about Chumba at all and Chumba's posts read to me like town who is being falsely accused for poor reasons.
Also a general lack of anything that looks really scummy to me.

Blackstar:
I'll concede that Black looks really scummy on the surface. Posts like 232 I really don't like.
However, 557 (the self vote) just screams upset town to me. Maybe it's because I've played with a lot of angry townies in my first couple games, but I think scum doesn't go off like this.
I also think the more recent posting has been good.

Accountant:
I don't think the push on me was 100% genuine (aka I thought some of your points were overblown), but it was the beginning of the game and I think you are a very aggressive player so I don't think you are scum for it.
I think the change in read on Blackstar was genuine, scum wouldn't be so obvious.
I remember thinking that some of your early posts had a genuine sense of open-mindedness

Dunnstral:
Eventually became involved in the conversation about me so that point went away.
243 Still think unvoting is more likely to come from town. I think scum likes the confusion no vote counts was causing.
General lack of anything that looks really scummy to me.

Transcend:
Weak town lean because I wasn't seeing scum motivation in the pushes he made.

Derek12:
Weak town lean because I agreed with some points in his reads list so it feels more legit to me.

Null folks are null

chilledtea:
scum lean because

he hasn't done anything this game when he was super townie in the other game I played with him, he's kind of wishy washy on me, and how chilled interacted with blackstar felt a little strange to me.

zefiend:
scum lean because it seemed he purposely ignored some things I explained to make me look bad 154, was a bit too defensive at points 656, seems like he was leaving a lot of mislynch options open in his reads list.

[MURDERCAT]

So you must have reasoning then yes? If you've been working on it for ~10 minutes, can I hear your detailed thoughts on:

BlackStar
Rachmarie
Zefiend

No real thoughts on Rachmarie right now.

[RachMarie]

This is where I'm at right now, I'm missing a scum probably, but yeah.

[TehBrawlGuy]
[Chumba]
[BlackStar, Accountant, Dunnstral]
[Transcend, Derek12]
[RachMarie (NightmareGaunt), I Am Innocent, KickAssAndGiggle (ConvergentConclusion)]
[chilledtea, zefiend]

Your 3 most scummy players are lurkers or non entities waitint to be replaced? Really with all the pages and pages of posts we have?

Why do you have trans and derek in the middle while tea and zefiend at the very bottom?

And why on earth is CC anything but totally null? And why do you have KAG as ranked higher? KAG is CC's replacement.

[RachMarie]

I am shaking my head here KAG has not even posted once since replacing in for CC how can you have him ranked as anything but null even more null than some of the others?

[MURDERCAT]

Second from the bottom is null. Within a bracket is all ranked the same. KAAG's name is included only for readability.

[RachMarie]

Black and mc are still my strongest scummy reads

[Dunnstral]

RachMarie do you know why I voted you?

[RachMarie]

@Dunn,

No clue you did not give much detail.

[Accountant]

Why is chilled scummy MCAT?

[Accountant]

RachMarie do you know why I voted you?

I think we would all like to know

[MURDERCAT]

For the reasons I quoted

[Accountant]

I was hoping for some real reasons rather than {meta, vague, vague}

[Dunnstral]

Basically I wasn't a fan of her posts talking about the lurkers and replacements and all - no solid reason there just not liking it

Additionally it kind of feels like she's

defending

chilledtea and not in a good way - I know you guys don't like these associations but it kind of looks like Rach is mafia trying to defend town chilledtea for "town cred" later on

Also this talk about "not wanting to nolynch" when we've got 10 days less is silly and looks like mafia trying to bring up a town point of view

oh and she initially ignored my vote on her

[MURDERCAT]

About chilled:

The fluff is null because I started it (and is generally null anyway).

However he won't take a firm stance on me, which I think is a bit strange because we just got out of a game together and I've posted plenty.

He also has said he's catching up, but then hasn't really done anything. I can kind of give him a break for that because I'm not super engaged in this game either, but I feel like he would just come out and say that if it were true.

[RachMarie]

No I saw your vote, I was more focused on scum hunting.

Not defending tea, saying I see more scummier players (ie Black and mc)

[Accountant]

Dunnstral I'm not particularly convinced by your case on Rach since I don't see scum motivation behind bringing up stuff like lurkers and nolynch. At worst it's a waste of time but I can see her trying to solve the game.

[MURDERCAT]

You didn't explain why I'm town Dunn, if that was legitimate.

[Dunnstral]

I don't think even you can explain why you're town my man

But yea it was we'll say half legitimate maybe a town lean