Mini 1794: Gunslingers Ahoy! {Game Over}

[Derek12]

@MURDERCAT:

Do you have any completed scumgames on site? I kinda want to look through them.

[Accountant]

Derek seems town to me, I agree with everything he says and his tone feels good

[Derek12]

VOTE: MURDERCAT

Forgot this.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Do you agree that murdercat fits with your definition of active lurking?

Shit, this is actually a good find. I was leaning town on him pretty hard initially, and dismissed this with a lolno when I first but yeah, I would say it does. I think he's had content, some of which I remember being pretty good, but on an ISO readback there's a lot of him seconding things rather than being the one to say them initially, and most disturbingly, pretty much no scumhunting. I don't town read him anymore after this. I'm going to have to think more about if he's null or scum now, prob null I think though.

[TehBrawlGuy]

pedit: when I first -> when I first read it

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral you seem to be trying to sell Derek on Rach harder than you're trying to sell me on Rach. Why?

What's that supposed to be implying LMAO

No real reason it's just that I got asked again and went ok might as well get derek onboard here

Maybe it's the fact that it was actually possible for derek to have voted rach?

[Accountant]

Fair enough

[Accountant]

I'm actually really happy now because the top two wagons are my top two scumreads

[MURDERCAT]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=65862
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=66091

I already said I've lost a lot of motivation because a number of people have barely posted and the most interesting content from the last however many pages is an argument on the definition of active lurker between two people I'm pretty sure are town. I've been waiting for the chilled catch-up/content that never comes.

[BlackStar]

@Dunnstral:

Sell me on Rach

Alright alright

875 felt like a weird post - seems like she goes beyond what's necessary to try and explain her town read on IAI (and I still think it's weird after seeing that but the read itself isn't why I'm voting her)

The way she's "pushing" BlackStar is by saying we shouldn't lynch inactives - lol?

Doesn't actually get direct with Blackstar

I'm getting this feeling like she's trying to be reserved and non-confrontational

Additionally, just the fact that I'm not really seeing her as town makes me more inclined to believe she's straight up mafia.

I said some other stuff about her too earlier, might overlap a bit

Surprisingly little happened over those 13~ or so pages. If there's anything in particular that you want me to talk about, feel free to mention it in case I missed anything.

I'm kind of feeling like I'm not contributing anything

And then I look at what other people are posting and go "oh I'm fine"

I agree. She's said that I'm scummy multiple times but isn't really doing anything to try and get me lynched

[Accountant]

blackstar reads? specifically the hiearchical ranking of all the people you said were scummy

[BlackStar]

Scummiest to nullest

Brawl
Murdercat
Rach

[Accountant]

I'm no longer a scum read? the fuck

your read on me keeps penduluming

[MURDERCAT]

Are we really still thinking black star is scum? Like, does this really look like scum play to anyone?

[MURDERCAT]

Like I admit there's individually scummy stuff but on a whole I just don't think it's scum play.

[Accountant]

you have to actually say why, not just say 'it's not scum play'.

[BlackStar]

I'm no longer a scum read? the fuck

your read on me keeps penduluming

No it doesn't. You're just not reading the game I said you were scum when you first started tunneling me, then I changed my mind. I never went back and said you were scum again. So stop making things up because it's really getting annoying

[MURDERCAT]

The self vote, being antagonistic, and all over the place reads make me think that black star isn't trying to be town read. He clearly wants to be, but he has caught heat for certain actions and hasn't changed his behavior and it doesn't feel like he's trying to appease anyone.

[Accountant]

His strategy isn't trying to appease anyone or get town read, it's to push counter wagons aggressively so he won't get lynched today.

Also the self vote is NAI at best and scum claiming at worst, and anyone who says otherwise is wrong.

[BlackStar]

His strategy isn't trying to appease anyone or get town read,

it's to push counter wagons aggressively so he won't get lynched today.

Also the self vote is NAI at best and scum claiming at worst, and anyone who says otherwise is wrong.

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[BlackStar]

lol fail

[MURDERCAT]

In those two games I linked I had 3 townies self vote and 2 scum self vote. When scum did it they self hammered calmly to end discussion. 2 of the townies went off similar to blackstar. I won't talk about ongoing games, but suffice to say they haven't changed my viewpoint. So that's where I'm coming from.

[Accountant]

Meta is not a defense.

Meta is not an attack.

Meta is the equivalent of last year's newspaper.

[chilledtea]

excuse me, what? Can you clarify this?

Clarify it how? Cases are scummy (quite a few people on this site think so and even one player believes it so much he has it as his title under his avatar)

Disagree that cases are scummy. First time I am actually hearing this actually.

The only thing that can be considered as scummy is if a case is made in an attempt to frame someone - that is if there are lies or misrepping involved in the case.

[Accountant]

Thats not a scummy case, its the lies and misrepping in the case that is scummy.