Mass Effect Mafia - [Game Over]

[Elsa and Anna]

I'm done reading this today.

Going to play dota battle season .

~Elsa

[KuroiXHF]

So this is my point of reference. There's no scum but humans want turians dead and they want salarians dead and they want geth dead who want krogans dead who want asaris dead who want humans dead.

..but there's no scum. Meaning, there shouldn't be any reason anyone should have to hide their alignment, except for the sect that want them dead.

I feel there's something I'm missing.

[Varsoon]

You're reading it wrong, Kuroi.
Each faction can win with either of the two factions next to it, but not both of them.
Since Salarians and Krogans have Killing Actions and Geth are an informed minority, they can be put together as the 'scum' factions.
Since Asari, Turians, And Humans are the uninformed majority, they can be put together as the 'town' factions.

There will always be, essentially, 3 factions aligned against you, and the reality is that in late game it'll be 4 factions since you can only win with one of the two that are next to you in the wheel.

[beeboy]

This is Mass Effect mafia.

For you to push a standard godfather meta as a reason to clear you is incredibly fucking disingenuous considering both me and FA came to the conclusion that any godfathers would be mixed breeds that investigate as the townier of the pir. Ergo, none of these results confirm jack about you considering you could just as easily be a solarian mix (which I feel is the least awful design so as to not give a false inno.)

Beeboy already asked that question and said that the answer was something along the lines of "Godfathers always produce a positive result."

Find me this.

I can confirm that the mod did tell me that godfathers will always return a positive result. That is why I wanted to work with Varsoon because I wanted to see if we could both get a positive result on someone to find out if they are a godfather.

[KuroiXHF]

Oh so this is like multiball but half of this game is pretty much scum of some fashioned.

And you're saying if I was a Turian, for example, I can win with the Salarians or Humans but not both?

I'm really curious how balanced this is. This sounds like this is completely balanced and completely inbalanced all at the same time.

[Painbringer]

Ok, I've got a repeated request on how Godfathers work in detail (if present). Do not take this as confirming the presence or absence of Godfathers. I try to include all possibilities in early posts so people don't get blindsided.

To friend and foe cops, Godfathers return "Friend" or "no result" (roleblocker, ascetic, etc).
To Turian and Asari cops, they will indicate aligned with the

target

investigator.

I will not phrase this as "positive" or "negative" as that can be confusing or misleading.

[Varsoon]

I'm a Turian. My enemies are the Asari, Krogans, and Geth.
However, that said, there's nothing stopping Solarians from just accidentally killing Turians.
So, the reality is that I want to lynch anyone with a killing action and I need to also lynch the Geth or hope they get killed.
While I can not win with Asari, they are the lowest priority for me to lynch out of my enemies, because they do not possess a killing action and they are also aligned against the Geth and a Killing faction (even if it is the one I win with, in early game there is no point to dividing the killing factions up because they are both enemies in a way).

I hope that makes some sense.
I think Klingoncelt said it right when basically early game pairs down to 'Town' being the uninformed majority of Asari/Turians/Humans and 'Scum' being the informed minority with killing actions, the Krogans/Solarians/Geth.

So, yeah, if you are Turian, you could win with either the Salarians or the Humans but not both since Salarians and Humans can't win with each other.
In the early game it wouldn't matter that much but in the late-game if it got down to just Salarians, Humans, and Turians, then the Turians would have to take a side.

[KuroiXHF]

It makes a lot more sense.

BTW, did you just claim Turian?

[beeboy]

He claimed Turian a long time ago.

[KuroiXHF]

He claimed Turian a long time ago.

This is a big game with a lot of rules that were extremely confusing. I feel like a baby in a strip joint, except we're in the internet and there are no women on the internet, so it's basically a sausage fest.

[Varsoon]

The balance point is that, while there are at least two kills floating around, both will want to avoid killing their partners, which makes cross-killing at least a little more likely.
As a claimed Turian, I am far more likely to draw a kill from a Krogan but far less likely to draw a kill from a Solarian.

Since no single faction has a voting majority, the non-killing factions are forced to work together to lynch their collective enemies.

I messed up and essentially soft-claimed Turian early on and was hoping no one would notice, but Beeboy, being Asari, caught on quick. I fullclaimed Turian (and my flavor) because there was no point in keeping it hidden and because full claiming might afford me benefits that I wouldn't have otherwise.

[KuroiXHF]

You ballsy mofugga.

[Painbringer]

He claimed Turian a long time ago.

This is a big game with a lot of rules that were extremely confusing. I feel like a baby in a strip joint, except we're in the internet and there are no women on the internet, so it's basically a sausage fest.

Half the mods and players don't exist. No wonder this is complicated.

~Titus (the non-existant mod head)

[Elsa and Anna]

He claimed Turian a long time ago.

This is a big game with a lot of rules that were extremely confusing. I feel like a baby in a strip joint, except we're in the internet and there are no women on the internet, so it's basically a sausage fest.

Half the mods and players don't exist. No wonder this is complicated.

~Titus (the non-existant mod head)

So, do I not exist either or do you actually exist?

[Nahdia]

I mean, the Geth are a non-killing faction. And in fact, because of their position, they do benefit from steering lynches onto the killing factions for now as well. They can only win with one of those killers, but they also need to outnumber them, so they want to whittle their numbers down without outright removing the from the game.

So this early in the game the Geth interests are closer to Human-Asari-Turian than Krogan-Salarian.

[Nahdia]

This is more pointless setup spec though.

[Spiffeh]

Still not liking fa

Why?

[Spiffeh]

RC's Varsoon push is so awful he might be scum after all.

FA's posts haven't been great either.

[KuroiXHF]

RC's Varsoon push is so awful he might be scum after all.

FA's posts haven't been great either.

I actually agree.

VOTE: Elsa and Anna.

[Spiffeh]

But no we're lynching TTH first

[Nahdia]

so im not actually sure if im town or scum rn, so im just gonna read up, give thoughts, and then look at alignments i guess

Just noticed this while looking through ISO's... I kinda feel like this was a non-human claim.

[Spiffeh]

Nosferatu's ISO is exclusively setup spec

[Nahdia]

far as very sparse ISO's go, H&M looks good. Gendaberry look good. Yume looks... unhelpful. DrippingGoofball looks like he clearly hasn't read the game. Shiro... doesn't look so good. KTS I kinda think claimed non-human. Bait looks good. PeregrineV looks... meh. Gamma looks good. Expedience looks very meh. TTH looks... iffy-ish.

[beeboy]

@Ranger Neighborize me or Spiffeh please because I don't think you will get anywhere with a RC/FA hood.

[beeboy]

I still want to believe that FA wouldn't reach out to me at L-12 as scum though but I think they are still a bad neighbor choice.