New York 194: Guns N' Roses Mafia! (Day 8)

[Firebringer]

@Fire what do you make of Frag's consistent mention of you being some PR, yet you're still alive? Is it simply...fluff from him? Am I reading too much into that?

Why are you hunting for PR?
My interpretation is that he said that because he thought I was Citizen and maybe knew there is another faction? So tried to get them to kill me?
Just theory.

Again, why you hunting for PR

[Firebringer]

Fire you always say you have late-game potential. We need all the help we can get.

This sounds like you buttering up to me. I don't think you would say this as town tbh.

[KuroiXHF]

I find it hard to believe town wouldn't check the flips before posting;

I actually pulled it up on my mobile phone. But my mobile phone didn't want to open all the spoilers it only openned Drixx, and showed town. So I was like okay, cant see rest will assume they were also town, I know bad. Then got on computer started posting and was like "Ohh I should actually check Ozgin and Fragger flips" then saw my horrible mistake lol.

Fire you always say you have late-game potential. We need all the help we can get.

I don't like this. It pings me as something scum would say. It sounds like a fake-town thing to say.

[Performer]

@Fire what do you make of Frag's consistent mention of you being some PR, yet you're still alive? Is it simply...fluff from him? Am I reading too much into that?

Why are you hunting for PR?
My interpretation is that he said that because he thought I was Citizen and maybe knew there is another faction? So tried to get them to kill me?
Just theory.

Again, why you hunting for PR

It's d4 and instead of sitting around, we need to keep generating info. I'm going to be basically 100% gone this weekend. I 'm just trying to see what your reply is , in case you're associated with Frag/Ozgin.

[Performer]

Fire you always say you have late-game potential. We need all the help we can get.

This sounds like you buttering up to me. I don't think you would say this as town tbh.

Instead of coming out of a night phase saying you replaced in because you're stupid or being lost and saying you were on mobile, I'm trying to see if you can get some info with us. I wouldn't be talking to you like this if I didn't think you're town.

@Kuroi if I were scum, I wouldn't bother with anybody at this point.

[KuroiXHF]

You'd want townie points, but I see you had WIFOM in there.

VOTE: Performer

[Performer]

I'm looking over my notes on this large normal and am still bewildered by now a Town Ascetic Enabler could even exist in a normal game that was reviewed for balance. Wow.

Thinking back to SS's 2089 - why tell me to not hammer and just leave it at that, at twilight?
Also had no vote by end of d3 votecount, yet stated Fire & Ari were his scumreads.

[Performer]

You'd want townie points, but I see you had WIFOM in there.

VOTE: Performer

WIFOM? What are you even talking about? Talk to me, Kuroi.

I am still re-evaluating my scumreads , as KAAG has fallen into there . I will leave it on Drip for now.
VOTE: Drip

[KuroiXHF]

You'd want townie points, but I see you had WIFOM in there.

VOTE: Performer

WIFOM? What are you even talking about? Talk to me, Kuroi.

I am still re-evaluating my scumreads , as KAAG has fallen into there . I will leave it on Drip for now.
VOTE: Drip

Anytime "If I were to do this...," especially as a defense, it inherently brings up WIFOM. "If X were to happen, I would do Y!"
'''BUT if Z were to happen, I'd do A!"

Hypotheticals is the precursor to WIFOM.

[Performer]

eads , as KAAG has fallen into there . I will leave it on Drip for now.
VOTE: Drip

Oh so that's what WIFOM really means.

What's your stance on Yume and Ilikebugs? Yume's predecessor and Ilikebugs - because of the Ozgin (lurk) flip , it's made me paranoid on those 2 slots.

[KuroiXHF]

I think you screwed up the quote...

But Yume and Ilikebugs are likely going to be replaced, so I'm letting that happen.

[Performer]

I think you screwed up the quote...

But Yume and Ilikebugs are likely going to be replaced, so I'm letting that happen.

Hmm not certain how the quote issue happened. Ok.

[Performer]

@mod can we get a deadline extension then . Thank you

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Ozgin wasn't on the Snarky wagon. I find it very unlikely that wagon went through without multiple scum.

Frag was on the wagon. Of the living, so were:

Killthestory, Aristophanes, KuroiXHF, Firebringer, DrippingGoofball, Performer, Something_Smart

I like KTS and S_S for town, and I liked Performer until he started talking about reading his notes (a non-provable way of changing you reads, classic scum idea), and setup speculating today.

Looking at the iraonavp wagon, Aristo is in the "scum zone" on both lynches. So is Kuroi.

I would really like you to explain these points to me Performer:

Yeah, I hadn't thought about it, but that does suck..
I will do my best to be here for current events type stuff, doubt I'll get my analysis done though.

DGB had been okay, but I'm done defending them. Their insistence on a Yume lynch yesterday was ridiculous. As I said, they seemed almost to be a lyncher, though those aren't "normal" and probably aren't likely in a game that seems to have 2 killing factions already.

Also, who was the single death N2? I forget, but it probably means both scum attacked them. Perhaps rereading their posts is a good idea.
And condemning some who pushed immediate shade onto Guy for "Not being around to submit a kill."
Possible scum going for an easy mislynch in that group!

Hmm.. nothing that hugely stands from 85-86 right after the n3 phase, except I noted KAAG and Kill voted you.

I don't think you're scum anymore though.

I'm curious, why do you think "both scum" attacked Egg rather than other possibilities?

Rach I don't recall you stating any large push against the lurking Oz slot before n3 (who I erroneously read as town for his note of replacing out). What caused you to suddenly tell us this?

Fire you always say you have late-game potential. We need all the help we can get.

This sounds like you buttering up to me. I don't think you would say this as town tbh.

Instead of coming out of a night phase saying you replaced in because you're stupid or being lost and saying you were on mobile, I'm trying to see if you can get some info with us.

I wouldn't be talking to you like this if I didn't think you're town.

@Kuroi if I were scum, I wouldn't bother with anybody at this point.

Just the bold parts. Because I don't agree here, at all.

[Performer]

KAAG, I've always used my own notes in my townplay , to keep track of things. I've went over people's ISOs - recently Frag & Ozgin's, and it looked to me like Fire could be town so I am doubting my scumread on him. This can change as the day goes on, as I've pushed him to contribute more substance instead of fluff posts.
The way Kuroi and Fire pushed me in pg 87, makes me further think they're town.

I try to have my reads evolve. Setup speculation is nai for me.


Snark & Drixx had you in their list , which is why I moved you from my townreads.
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Yume/jam – at first I thought he was town because of 279. Since then, there’s nothing that screamed “scum” to me from this slot. But after doing another ISO of Yume, I’m putting the slot at null. Never followed up with me on providing a reads list on d3, either. However, after seeing oz & frag’s interactions regarding Jam on d1, as well as Drip’s constant push on that slot, I moved this slot to town

[Performer]

In terms of noting who's voting who, that's just my observations aloud.

Ari's posting has made me think otherwise - that he's probably town. I wanted to engage him today to see some more thoughts , and if he doesn't follow-up next week appropriately, then I'll have to re-evaluate him .

[Performer]

We mislynched Reub & Snark - though those those 2 slots were less active than Ari, I wanted to take a different look at things and see what happens. Also, it's d4 so I'm prepared to offer up a plan to see what people's thoughts are, hopefully by next week - but and as Kuroi mentioned , we can see what the 2 replacements have to say too .

[Performer]

The longer the game goes on and Slandaar is still alive, the stranger I think his reads on Ari & Guy/RachMarie are. He also mentioned scumreading Kop/Ari, Frag, Ozgin, Guy, and Drixx a while back, and I don't recall observing anyone else hitting 2 scum out of their reads lists.

And look at this from Oz:

I don't think GuyFawkes' hammer was scum; I was about to hammer anyways, Reubus gave 0 shits about this game, the day was going nowhere, and we were low on time.

Later , after that Ozgin post, Slandaar posted that he mysteriously read Guy as town despite me stating that I had a scumread on the slot. As the game went on, Oz continued lurking and so did Guy . After n2 - when there was ONE nk - Guy slot replaced with RachMarie.

Is there is too much coincidence here or am I just going paranoid???

[Performer]

^ebwop reads on Ari & Guy/RachMarie are strange.

[Performer]

Ari if you're here : updated reads lists please.

[RachMarie]

Still early on page 2 but why are we giving Oz dude a pass? Well other than Slan that is, feeling better about Slan going in the town pile now that I see a bit more from him.

D 2 read up

Sorry you are so sick Oz Hope you feel better soon, still feel your slot is scum though.

what on earth was that crazy claim by snarky? I can see why he got hammered after that.

@Kill doing short catchups as I go along so that its not one huge ass wall,

Ok caught up

what is with all these PR claims uggh,

There were two deaths on N1, and frag is an un CCed PR claim, of watcher.

Yes you can have a town ascetic, I was one in a game a long time ago, but it was not a normal game, micro one I believe it was, would have to double check. Town ascetic is actually a very swingy role and not super helpful to town since it can't be investigated by a cop or a seer. What on earth would a town ascetic enabler do? I have never heard of that role.

At this point, we go with the results, after all if Frag is fake claiming this, and it feels likely he is not, then he would swing tomorrow and he knows that,


VOTE: ira

Slan, Kill, bug, SS are in my town pile,

Frag too based on the claim,

Ira, Oz, in my scum pile,

Still sorting everyone else out for now.

Perf here is my reasoning AS I was going along and reading, HERE is why I switched my read on Ira, I was wrong, but my reasoning was sound. The claim in a large normal seemed the most outlandish of the two, but I knew one or the other had to be fake claiming. I fully had planned on voting Oz, until the clusterf*** of the competing claims. Then I had to go with which one I felt more likely to be a fake claim, I was wrong, but town are mistaken sometimes. Meanwhile I did ask you some questions just before the lockdown of the game, still would like your answers.

[Performer]

Rach I don't see any questions from you that I haven't addressed.

[Something_Smart]

Thinking back to SS's 2089 - why tell me to not hammer and just leave it at that, at twilight?
Also had no vote by end of d3 votecount, yet stated Fire & Ari were his scumreads.

I didn't have much time just then iirc, but I wanted to go back and see what my thoughts were assuming Ira was scum (Fragger-scum still made perfect sense to me but I still wasn't positive). At that moment, my thoughts dependent on Ira-scum were limited (I hadn't thought about it much) but they were that Fire and Ari were most likely scum in that scenario.
I don't think any lynch other than Ira was ever a possibility, and as you see I didn't want to lynch Ira just yet. Hence the no vote.

Also @Performer do you think DGB is a different faction from Fragger or a Fragger partner? Because rereading the early-game interactions between Fragger and Robster they really don't seem like partners.

[Performer]

I kept rereading 977 & 981 over and over.

Then I read 990 over and over and realized something. Rach must be highly likely town - one reasonable possibility those 2 agreed on Guy in a unified way, then Frag responded with 990 like that - could've been they wanted him around for lynch bait. If I am wrong about this , I'm going to be angry with myself post game.

[Performer]

Thinking back to SS's 2089 - why tell me to not hammer and just leave it at that, at twilight?
Also had no vote by end of d3 votecount, yet stated Fire & Ari were his scumreads.

I didn't have much time just then iirc, but I wanted to go back and see what my thoughts were assuming Ira was scum (Fragger-scum still made perfect sense to me but I still wasn't positive). At that moment, my thoughts dependent on Ira-scum were limited (I hadn't thought about it much) but they were that Fire and Ari were most likely scum in that scenario.
I don't think any lynch other than Ira was ever a possibility, and as you see I didn't want to lynch Ira just yet. Hence the no vote.

Also @Performer do you think DGB is a different faction from Fragger or a Fragger partner? Because rereading the early-game interactions between Fragger and Robster they really don't seem like partners.

I think Drip could be a different faction. In fact, I was townreading Golden a long time because I thought he was acting that WAY as a Vengeful Townie, hence the completely insane voting style of trying to cause a ruckus.

Later on after the n3 flips and reviewing Frag & Oz's ISOs - I started wondering if Drip could actually be an SK instead. She's been pushing heavily on lurkers and posting very briefly.