kuribo in Wonderland - [Game Over]

[Cephrir]

This is me expressing that I would mildly prefer to keep BROseidon around out of that group.

[Fate]

I guess I'm not as impatient as you, Fate, and I really don't want to set a precedent of people getting killed without claiming either.

I realize Nacho said he wouldn't, but I've seen (town) people say that before and be persuaded to change their minds. I'd much rather have all the information before making a final decision.

I siad other days would play out much differently re: claims before kills


This isn't the fucking justice system, we can change things according to the day, there's no "precedents"

[Fate]

This is me expressing that I would mildly prefer to keep BROseidon around out of that group.

I'm listening

[Spiffeh]

Fate who would you execute?

Or are you keeping it a secret?

[Fate]

It won't be clear to me until I see how the day plays itself out.

I've made my reads more or less clear, given how I feel about Kagami, nacho, godz, implosion, camn, and DGB.

[Fate]

And my inherit suspicion of the Spiffeh wagon

I want Cephrir's defense of BROseidon though, I've heard Nacho's.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Spiffeh or Fate for King?

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Fate

[Fate]

VOTE: Spiffeh

His list is good let's go

VOTE: Fate

what happened?

[Spiffeh]

ABR aren't you townreading Nacho?

[G[o]dz]

Then he explained it and the explanation didn't seem to fit the behavior.

Mm... I don't really see what he did as something that's more likely to come from scum than town. Thinking about it from the perspective of what you personally would do is generally not a good way to think about things. I think Nachomamma8 is the type of player to take a long and winding path towards his end goal rather than get directly to the point. Inefficient and unusual as it may be, I don't think this is something he's only going to do as scum (if he even bothers to do it as scum at all, because I don't know that he would). I also don't think that him not explicitly stating a town read on me while discussing with me means much.

Let's look at it from a different perspective. What do you think his aim here was if he's scum? What was he trying to achieve and why did he go about it in this way?

Okay, the thing here is, obviously you make posts as scum that you *think* you would make if you were town. Everyone tries to do that. It's the name of the game. Some people are better at it than others. So the point of "why would he say that as scum" has never resonated very well with me. I think your suggestion here, of what he might have said, makes a lot more sense, yes. That might, indeed, have looked less suspicious. But he didn't say that. And you going, well, he could have said this other thing which wouldn't have sounded as suspicious, so the fact he didn't means he's less likely to be scum is just silliness to me.

This isn't about whether or not he can emulate his town play, though. This is a basic idea about the setup itself that he thinks is something town should aim for, independent of his alignment.

Yes it is?

I mean, I fully get that you can get a town read on someone who's making a terrible case, but I do not think that's the typical situation.

Perhaps for you it isn't. But generalising across different people with different playstyles from your own, again, isn't a good way to scum hunt.

I don't know what sort of player he is. Is anyone that sort of player? i don't demand he have a fully formed comprehensive set of scum reads at all times, but if he's giving his reads and they're as weak as the ones he gave, I can take notice of that. I do think that scum are more likely to throw out a poor/lazy list of scum reads under pressure. Because they're afraid of giving something away.

He has more posts than most players in the game. Suggesting that he's afraid of giving something away is silly. If he's scum, there's a mound of interactions he's left behind already.

I don't think the fact that his scum reads are "weak" is that big a deal. This isn't the sort of game where I think any scum player would have difficulty airing seemingly-genuine gripes about half the playerlist...

I think ducking out under pressure is also scummy. Maybe it's totally just a coincidence that he disappeared right after I asked him a question and hasn't been back since. Maybe he's got IRL issues. But I have no reason to give him that benefit of the doubt. I also note that since he's stopped posting, more than one person has come to his defense here, so, were I scum, I might very well decide that not posting was actually working out better for me.

*shrug* You're not really making a point here.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Spiffeh

His list is good let's go

VOTE: Fate

what happened?

Spiffeh wants to axe Nacho, right? I trust you more.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR aren't you townreading Nacho?

It's more that I am totally against executing him Day 1 because he's a good player. Day 2, yeah, fine. I'm not involved enough in the game to say whether or not he's scum, but I'm against executing him today nonetheless.

[kuribo]

I'd expect nacho to fight a bit more for his life.

You've never moved your vote from Spiffeh since early game


Do you still feel Nacho is scum and your First post vote just happened to align with that?

[KittyMo]

Page 25ish and realizing that my top townread has expressed a scumread on my only at all serious scumread.

VOTE: KittyMo

aw I thought this meant you wanted to kill Skybird (dunno if implosion not being at the top of my kill list affects your read of me. I need to reread him v axelrod tho)

VOTE: Spiffeh

His list is good let's go

VOTE: Fate

what happened?

Spiffeh wants to axe Nacho, right? I trust you more.

What did you like about the list then?

@Fate- I remember liking BRO a little for some early unique opinions and casually making enemies. I go back and forth about his stuff about the game narrative

[Albert B. Rampage]

Fate's list?

[KittyMo]

Why did you vote Spiffeh in the first place

[Albert B. Rampage]

He seems town.

[camn]

Fate has a reasonable point.
Katz - let's do this.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fate

[G[o]dz]

That is L-1 on Fate, FYI

[Katsuki]

Camn you read my mind. I'm ready to hammer Fate. Granted, I don't think Fate will.shoot who I was planning on shooting which does m ake me somewhat sad but oh well.

You clownfucks have until Fate goes to bed before I hammer.

[G[o]dz]

Which town player were you planning on shooting?

[Katsuki]

As mr.godz has made clear, no one else is allowed to hammer.

[Katsuki]

dz post_id=7945244 time=1464158721 user_id=15399 post_num=1246]Which town player were you planning on shooting?

Many. I'll save it for tomorrow when I'll have to campaign for it.

[Katsuki]

dz post_id=7944865 time=1464143709 user_id=15399 post_num=1206]Kastuki, what do you think about Cephir's points about me being town? I think he makes some strong arguments.

I haven't really read warthog. I'm having an issue sorting him out because he refuses to address any of my posts to him thus far.