Open 638: Friends and Enemies! (And Enemies!) - GAME OVER!

[BTD6_maker]

I can see where ranger is coming from
Hammers get more attention, town aren't generally bothered about that attention because they can prove there towniness and gain trust, scum don't want attention because they are lying and whilst being under pressure due to the unwanted attention, caused by a hammer does lead to contradictions, slips etc.

The very fact that you've pointed it out means that scum will do it to reduce suspicion.

It's her fucking smug arrogance as she plays like complete fucking dogshit

I've noticed some of this arrogance. Like

thinking she can call out all four scum on Day 1

.

[karnos]

just hammer, i dont think we can milk day 1 any more

Rushing a hammer doesn't sound very towny-masony to me.

Not dropping my vote just yet, but I have a bad feeling about how this is going down.

[Javajoe24]

You said you want me to spew as much as I can, but I have nothing to spew. I am a vanilla townie and have already given you my reads, although now I think kasumeat and btd are my top 2 scum reads.

[Killthestory]

its convenient the two most scumread people are his top two scum reads.

ranger are you certain java would flip town? that doesnt come from a town mindset to me

[Creature]

Since we don't have much to do, what about we play "Let's meta" with Javajoe26?

(Town) Micro 586: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=65483 (72 posts out of 1059 total)
(Scum) Micro 607: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=66255 (42 posts out of 728 total)
(Scum) Mini 1790: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=66305 (48 posts out of 1098 total)
(Town, replaced out) Mini 1785B: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=66274 (8 posts out of 1106 total)

[Javajoe24]

It's javajoe24...

[Ranger]

Like thinking she can call out all four scum on Day 1.

Well, not impossible; it's happened before. But to elaborate: I always expect to be wrong. That's one of the reasons my reads change as often as they do; I am under no illusions I am perfect. I'd make no progress if I, by default, assumed I was wrong. Ergo, my reads change when they have reason to.

ranger are you certain java would flip town?

Reasonably confident, yes. I think both scumteams think Javajoe is on the other scumteam.

[Ozymandias]

You said you want me to spew as much as I can, but I have nothing to spew. I am a vanilla townie and have already given you my reads, although now I think kasumeat and btd are my top 2 scum reads.

So Kasumeat went from Town to scum because of the hammer discussion? Or is there another reason?

Also, you should explain your reads.

[Javajoe24]

Yes, he is scummy now for the hammer discussion. And no.

[Charloux]

@Charloux: I see you have me as a nullread, we also differ in opinion on Joe and BTD6, yet you don't try to talk to me about my reads. I'm getting the feeling you have no interest in improving your reads because they are fake. What has Random done to make your read change from scum to null? How come you're not voting anyone?

You are half correct. Although not fake i have no intention on drastically improving my reads today. My read on Random was mostly because i had a personal problem with him; And i gained a better impression of him after our small dialog. I said that i won't be voting unless we need 1 vote or it's a no-lynch; But i don't include masons in that group

Are you seriously going to keep that promise? Why would you even do that?

I'm a spoiled brat.

You have Random as a scumlean in a prior readslist, so how come you listen to your scumread? Why aren't you voting anyone at all? What are your thoughts on Joe and BTD6 other than what you said in this post? Have any of your reads changed since you made 356?

I am nullreading Ozy and Random; But am following Ozy's interactions, while i'm leaving Random for later.
BTD and Kasumeat are my top scumreads right now, followed by java who is leaning towards scum, but his playstyle itself in most games is scummy so am keeping an open mind for him.

[Masquerade]

Sigh.
Can't argue with a promise no matter how freaking much it annoys me.

[Randomnamechange]

I'm going to do some wagon analysis after flips.

[karnos]

Seems like nothing of interest has been discussed in the last day. I'm feeling worse and worse about the whole javajoe lynch, but honestly I still think BTD is even less likely to flip scum.

If it wasn't for the elephant in the room, ranger/kop/KTS are all near the top of my "acting scummy" list, but in the absence of any contrary claims I can't see a reason to try to push a lynch on any of them anymore. Maybe flips & a new information will give some more clear answers, for now I am reluctantly holding my vote as-is.

[Ranger]

Uhg.

I think Javajoe is town and BTD is scum, but...

The game's stalled, and I'm beginning to get concerned we won't be able to get any other lynch than Javajoe. Which

sucks

. :S

[Charloux]

I am not sure if Java is random so it's better to VOTE: BTD6 and think about him after some flips. L-1
Sorry i couldn't keep my promise Random Win con first

[KuroiXHF]

Vote Count - Day One - VC#19

killthestory - 0 -
Creature - 0 -
Kop - 0 -
Masquerade- 0 -
Kasumeat - 0 -
Javajoe24 - 5 - Ozymandias, Masquerade, randomidget, BTD6_maker, Karnos
Ranger - 0 -
karnos - 1 - Creature
BTD6_maker - 6 - Kasumeat, Ranger, Javajoe24, killthestory, Kop, Charloux
Ozymandias - 0 -
randomidget - 0 -
Charloux - 0 -

Not Voting:

With twelve alive, it takes seven to lynch!

“Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names." - John F. Kennedy

(expired on 2016-05-31 11:13:00)

Mod Notes:
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[Ozymandias]

Meh, I still prefer Joe, but Kasu is sheeping the Masons and Masons are not gonna move, so a Joe lynch is not happening.

I just want to end this day, at this point.

If BTD flips Town, tomorrow lynch Joe, even if I die.

If BTD flips scum, still lynch Joe probably, but discuss it a bit more, I guess.

Any last words?

[Ozymandias]

Ah, Charloux is not online anymore.

VOTE: BTD

Good night.

[Ozymandias]

And now Kuroi went offline, too.

[Randomnamechange]

Fair enough. I still think we should lynch Joe tomorrow.

[Ozymandias]

Yeah, don't let Joe live to LYLO. he is not gonna get Nked, he needs to be hanged tomorrow, if he is Town and BTD is Town, we already lost anyway.

[Randomnamechange]

Nope. Town have almost won a similar set up with every mafia member left alive and one townie. I was in one of the mafias and was forced to settle for a draw with the other team.

[Charloux]

I was kind of hoping to see some reactions before a hammer; But shit happen.
PE: @Ozy: Don't forget to pay attention to others before you vote for someone!

[Ozymandias]

I guess that could happen, yeah, but I would rather not bank on it, Random.

PE: @Ozy: Don't forget to pay attention to others before you vote for someone!

Hmm?

[Creature]

I still feel like there's a chance we can read Javajoe24.