New York 194: Guns N' Roses Mafia! (Day 8)

[Aristophanes]

*Whispering* PSST
Hey, Mods! It's not N4 anymore! The title here is wrong!

*slinks back to the dead thread*

[Killthestory]

BEGONE FOUL BEAST

[Axl_Rose]

*Whispering* PSST
Hey, Mods! It's not N4 anymore! The title here is wrong!

*slinks back to the dead thread*

But what if it is night 4?

[RachMarie]

ummm ari stop talking in thread you are dead don't want you to be mod killed and you are not a tree stump dude.

[Slandaar]

It's still weird to me that you tunneled that slot so long without having your read evolve, but that could be just a playstyle thing.

I mean it did 'evolve' I took Aristo's actions into consideration and I deemed them not very good so it didn't change.

Other than me, who are you scumreading , Slandaar.

No-one really. Rev but that is just an association read.

I need to think.

[Something_Smart]

Hebichan could you explain your scumread on me a little more?

[Performer]

It's still weird to me that you tunneled that slot so long without having your read evolve, but that could be just a playstyle thing.

I mean it did 'evolve' I took Aristo's actions into consideration and I deemed them not very good so it didn't change.

Other than me, who are you scumreading , Slandaar.

No-one really. Rev but that is just an association read.

I need to think.

Wow. I've seen Slandaar's town game and it looks like he purposely plays mysterious - I remember the first game I played with him when he was town and I I was scum.
I've never seen his scum game.

Hmm. Those 2 are in process of being replaced, which is unexpected. Looks like I'll shelf my idea for now because it relies on everyone being here.

[hebichan]

Hello everyone, I'm back. I see the thread exploded in my absence.

I still want Kuroi's head as his posts still show a scum mindset and scum logic. Also, I noticed a surprising similarity between 2401 and 1806, I wonder if that means anything...

KAAG is making me annoyingly paranoid in these pages with his awkwardness but I'm thinking it's just natural awkwardness as opposed to scum awkwardness (like Fragger had).

I've been hesitant to vote Yume for a few reasons: one, jam's ISO is pretty good and feels like newbtown (on the other hand, I have been burned by what I thought was newbtown at least once) and two, I think I know why Yume lurked out and it's not because she was scum (though I don't think it's right to go into it more). At this point I would like Kuroi and/or Fire dead. If Kuroi flips scum I will have serious problems with the way Fire defended him as well.

you tunneled hard on kuroi, but the first thing you did when day started was attack me for hammering (which I had counted and wasn't supposed to have happened) on your tunnel read. You refused to switch off kuroi when we had another wagon starting on the basis you didn't think we had enough to lynch firebringer. Even though you said multiple times here fire was probscum.

I incorrectly assumed because I was new my reads were worse than everyone elses here. Which I see was a huge mistake. I don't like your play yesterday at all.

[Something_Smart]

That's not an accurate representation of what happened. You asked me my thoughts on Kuroi/KTS, and I said I didn't like how you started off saying it was TvT and ended up convinced that it was TvS.

[hebichan]

That's not an accurate representation of what happened. You asked me my thoughts on Kuroi/KTS, and I said I didn't like how you started off saying it was TvT and ended up convinced that it was TvS.

No, the tunneling on kuroi started way before I replaced in. Nice try though.

[Something_Smart]

No, I was talking about today. Pressuring you about the hammer wasn't the "first thing I did when day started" and it wasn't unprompted like you made it seem.

I feel like you're making two separate arguments here and you're confusing them together. There's my actions yesterday (my push on Kuroi, my unwillingness to switch to Fire) which you still haven't explained what you dislike about (I hope the argument's not just I was wrong and you were right), and then there's my actions today, telling you what I didn't like about you yesterday, as a response to your question directed specifically at me, which is a misrepresentation, as I explained.

[hebichan]

No, I was talking about today. Pressuring you about the hammer wasn't the "first thing I did when day started" and it wasn't unprompted like you made it seem.

I feel like you're making two separate arguments here and you're confusing them together. There's my actions yesterday (my push on Kuroi, my unwillingness to switch to Fire) which you still haven't explained what you dislike about (I hope the argument's not just I was wrong and you were right), and then there's my actions today, telling you what I didn't like about you yesterday, as a response to your question directed specifically at me, which is a misrepresentation, as I explained.

I don't like that you would not switch to fire. I don't, I didn't like it yesterday either, but I conceded to you. We had the votes if you and KAAG pushed harder. It's more the fact you were not even willing to consider another wagon that had four people on it. I get you may be stubborn but still. It wasn't specifically you per say, I don't like that it didn't seem like any wagon had any particular traction. If you aren't scum, and I am not scum, the majority of the people who started the wagon in the first place were certainly scum and we should be looking at them at the very least.

Right now, you are questioning my reads, and contributing very little else. Purpose a new vote if you think my reads are bad, don't keep focusing the conversation on your accuser and getting defensive. No one else is talking besides you and I? You don't think that's odd at all? I will take back that you started this day focused on me, but still, there is very little else going on with you.

Why don't we talk about KTS who hasn't posted much of value since yesterday and purposed the fire wagon yesterday. Or maybe Performer who has actually posted some reads. Or the other 6 people who haven't said much of anything yet today.

[Something_Smart]

I'm trying to sort you because I've engaged a lot with you recently and your slot is relatively low-content.

I'm still sorting through my reads and it's frustrating because I want to townread half the players and the other half I'm getting conflicting signals on. You, Fire and Slandaar are the ones I want to call scum but am having trouble doing so.
(Also KTS is conftown, but if you want to talk about anyone else then I will. I haven't been inclined to share my thoughts because they're so inconclusive but I can focus on specific people if you want.)

[hebichan]

I'm trying to sort you because I've engaged a lot with you recently and your slot is relatively low-content.

I'm still sorting through my reads and it's frustrating because I want to townread half the players and the other half I'm getting conflicting signals on. You, Fire and Slandaar are the ones I want to call scum but am having trouble doing so.
(Also KTS is conftown, but if you want to talk about anyone else then I will. I haven't been inclined to share my thoughts because they're so inconclusive but I can focus on specific people if you want.)

I'll say the same thing I said yesterday. Vote Fire with me.

[Performer]

Still feel Slan is town

Kill is probably town

DGB is probably town

Been ISOing Frag and Ozgin and trying to figure out who their other scum budz are.

Hmm. Why are you townreading Slandaar? I'm not as sure about him recently.

Mostly meta from previous games.

Never played with him before. What's his scumgame like?

Mostly played with him as town but I can probably find a couple scum games if I had some time.

Does anyone have meta on Rach?

[Something_Smart]

@hebichan: I would be okay with pressuring Fire however I'm not sure how enlightening that will be. The thing is that I want to call Fire scum, but I've wanted to call him scum every game I've played with him as town and he never has been. It seems silly to read a player on day 5 based on their predecessor who replaced out day 1 but Creature is like 20 times easier to read and I really didn't like his posts. There's also Fragger's terrible "jester" comment about him and there's the fact that Fire was (is? he's voting me still but hasn't said anything about it recently) pushing me for pointing out a scummy thing that he did... in conclusion, I would vote him, but that doesn't mean that I've come to a conclusion about him.

@Performer: the only game I've played that included RachMarie was this one, and it's not very good for meta. I was already dead when she replaced in (I think it was D4) and the game was suffering from serious apathy issues anyway. So I can't really help you there (though Slandaar and DGB probably can).

[Performer]

@SS thanks for the link. Also, wasn't it Frag who mentioned Jester ? Fire voted Frag due to that, which made sense.

[Something_Smart]

Yeah it was. The interaction was like:
Fire says some weird stuff
Fragger says "oh fire must be jester lol"

Like given the quality of Fragger's play this game I could actually see him doing this to try to cover up for his partner's stupidity (which wasn't even stupid, it's just Fire being Fire).

[Performer]

@SS I can agree with you that I want to vote Fire in every game I play with him. Could just be because he uses a very different playstyle or largely relying on gut.

Based on the game you linked for Rach, she looked much more involved in trying to solve the game in that game she was VT in, compared to this game where she is apathetic and brief.

[DrippingGoofball]

I really think Fire is town.

[RachMarie]

meh yesterday was bad for me, got no work done, and was just miserable, was my son's 29th birthday

He died at 18 1/2 just 19 days before my 40th birthday, but some days are just hard

Will post more when my head is more into it again.

[Performer]

K. My read on Rach has changed because of 2693. Her 2695 further supports my growing suspicion.

Still don't see where the scumread by Drip on hebi, came from. But I feel like Drip could be onto something though, so I'll do this and see what happens. VOTE: hebichan

Still waiting on the 2 replacements.

[Slandaar]

KAAG read progression is a little suspect. KAAG/Rev makes sense. Might elaborate later but you can check it yourselves.

[Performer]

KAAG read progression is a little suspect. KAAG/Rev makes sense. Might elaborate later but you can check it yourselves.

Are you saying you will finally join me against KAAG? I've pushed for his death since d4 but no one was having it. I've went over my scumread on him too.
His consistent avoidance of me in this game overall, has been suspect as well - it's like he knows something's going on. I can't pinpoint what exactly.

[Performer]

I haven't seen associations between Rev & KAAG though, but I am curious about that.