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Dwlee99 · Post Post #825 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 1:47 am

That is cause I am town you lameo
I have a soft yesterday, and I have a clear thought process for my N1 action, like bro

Dwlee99 · Post Post #826 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 1:50 am

Not to.mention how obviously scum both of them are if you just read their isos.

MURDERCAT · Post Post #827 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 1:51 am

Yeah I think you are town, but I'm going to be very deliberate about this because I want this win real fucking bad.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #828 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:02 am

I hope you realize even if youre wrong about me being town there would be a 2 1 1 prisoner's dilemma and we win anyway. Pls

MURDERCAT · Post Post #829 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:06 am

But what happens if we kill doc and they both shoot town?

MURDERCAT · Post Post #830 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:08 am

Also just a reminder that no one should try to talk to mod in thread about endgame scenarios. Please don't get modkilled, that would really suck.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #831 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:11 am

In post 829, MURDERCAT wrote:But what happens if we kill doc and they both shoot town?

Do you know what the prisoner's dilemma is?

Dwlee99 · Post Post #832 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:12 am

In post 800, Dwlee99 wrote:
From Wiki on Prisoner's Dilemma wrote:
Yomi Level 2 (2 Town, 1 Mafioso, 1 Werewolf Goon)As with most dilemmas, the correct response for the Townie(s) is to take a third option and No Lynch. There is absolutely nothing the scum can do in this situation but follow suit.
At Night, the dilemma shifts to the scum. The only way for either scum to win is for them to shoot the other scum. But if both scum do this, then the Townie(s) will be the only player(s) alive, and the Town will win. This is a disheartening outcome so late in the game!
The other option, shooting the Townie, is clearly suboptimal. Going with the three-player example above, if the Mafioso shoots the Townie and the Serial Killer shoots the Mafioso, the Serial Killer wins (and the Mafioso feels dumb afterward). Thus, to the scum, the choice is between giving victory to the other scum or the Townie.
It is worth noting that depending on the moderator, if BOTH scum shoot the Townie, the result is a draw. Since a draw is less than a win, there is no real reason to not shoot the other scum. (Or is there? See Caveats below.)
Thus, the Town will always win

Im actually gonna go check out caveats one sec

Dwlee99 · Post Post #833 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:19 am

None of the caveats cause town loss. scum HAVE to shoot the other scum to have a chance at winning.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #834 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:20 am

Btw it says no lynch to go into.night 2 1 1 but because it is 3 1 1 we need to lynch today. Look, we are winning this game, vote nahdia and ride the glory of perfect town win.

MURDERCAT · Post Post #835 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:22 am

It's honestly not as clear as that quote makes it seem. Obviously, cross killing loses for both of them, so they have to trust each other to shoot town.

MURDERCAT · Post Post #836 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:22 am

How does town win if they go to 1-1?

MURDERCAT · Post Post #837 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:23 am

We can go into 3-1 tomorrow if fire is scum.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #838 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:24 am

Town doesnt win if they go 1 1, but it isnt going 1 1 because for 1 1 to happen the scum have to play against win con and give up their chance of winning.
pedit If I doc correctly yes we can.

MURDERCAT · Post Post #839 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:25 am

No it's guaranteed 3-1. We say dwlee protect me, nahdia protect snoe and scum can't kill without outing themselves.

MURDERCAT · Post Post #840 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:26 am

I like the odds in 3-1 better than trusting scum to cross kill.

MURDERCAT · Post Post #841 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:27 am

And I'm almost positive fire is scum.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #842 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:28 am

I hope you realize the dilemma is all theoretical because nahdia is going to flip scum.
pedit fair enough

Dwlee99 · Post Post #843 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:29 am

VOTE: Firebringer
Say who the doc targets are, yo

Dwlee99 · Post Post #844 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:31 am

Ftr the odds in 3 1 arent any different than 2 1 because in both there are only two people that could be scum but whatever floats your boat,

MURDERCAT · Post Post #845 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:33 am

Dwlee protects murdercat.

Nahdia protects snoe.

Please confirm you read this and know what you are doing. If the person you are protecting dies, we will lynch you.

MURDERCAT · Post Post #846 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:34 am

Yeah but I have another person to talk to that I know is town and that is really nice.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #847 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:42 am

In post 845, MURDERCAT wrote:Dwlee protects murdercat.

Nahdia protects snoe.

Please confirm you read this and know what you are doing. If the person you are protecting dies, we will lynch you.

I see this

And yea having someone else to talk to is nice when they dont constantly talk in skype about how sircakez is scum and faking his reads and how obvtown guiltylion is /salty

snoe · Post Post #848 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:31 am

It'll be about 5-6 hours before I have significant time, but I read MC's plan in the Madon thread and it sounds good to me

Nahdia · Post Post #849 (ISO) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:44 am

In post 832, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 800, Dwlee99 wrote:
From Wiki on Prisoner's Dilemma wrote:
Yomi Level 2 (2 Town, 1 Mafioso, 1 Werewolf Goon)As with most dilemmas, the correct response for the Townie(s) is to take a third option and No Lynch. There is absolutely nothing the scum can do in this situation but follow suit.
At Night, the dilemma shifts to the scum. The only way for either scum to win is for them to shoot the other scum. But if both scum do this, then the Townie(s) will be the only player(s) alive, and the Town will win. This is a disheartening outcome so late in the game!
The other option, shooting the Townie, is clearly suboptimal. Going with the three-player example above, if the Mafioso shoots the Townie and the Serial Killer shoots the Mafioso, the Serial Killer wins (and the Mafioso feels dumb afterward). Thus, to the scum, the choice is between giving victory to the other scum or the Townie.
It is worth noting that depending on the moderator, if BOTH scum shoot the Townie, the result is a draw. Since a draw is less than a win, there is no real reason to not shoot the other scum. (Or is there? See Caveats below.)
Thus, the Town will always win
Im actually gonna go check out caveats one sec

this is actually wrong.

MURDERCAT wrote:Dwlee protects murdercat.

Nahdia protects snoe.

Please confirm you read this and know what you are doing. If the person you are protecting dies, we will lynch you.

got it.

VOTE: firebringer