Newbie 1718 [Game Over!] Mafia

[RadiantCowbells]

Towny: {House, Foe}
Leantown: {DoctorPepper}
More scum than town: {Harlii}
Scummy: {Makesnosense}
Very scum: {Giga}

I will do more later. Less Pepper votes please.

[Harlii]

I mean I'll unvote for now if only so you can explain why you think Pepper is town, because I'm still pretty unconvinced, I'm basing the "safe townread" on giga's earlier post, but if you say so. Do you plan on being here for a while today, or is 'til you're back' a while away and going to result in a lot of waiting for the explanation?

UNVOTE: DoctorPepper

[foedufafa]

And Foe, Why would you switch your vote when somebody joined your vote for RC? I guess you are a scum. you're not even sure who to vote. As for me, You're clearly looking for someone that makes him look like a scum and make up stories then vote him. You're Obviously an Obvious Scum. Very suspicious.

I'm not trying to defend DoctorPepper because I said this. I just agreed of what he said.

Before I vote you, What is your reason why you change your vote for RC?

UNVOTE: House

I've answered this before and I refuse to do it again. Look through my old posts in this game and you'll get the answer. I'm not going to continue defending myself over something that's been covered.

[House]

DoctorPepper, you need to claim.

Intent to hammer

[Harlii]

Was it not because there was no point in putting pressure on someone who majorly wouldn't be able to respond? (due to v/la)

[keyenpeydee]

And Foe, Why would you switch your vote when somebody joined your vote for RC? I guess you are a scum. you're not even sure who to vote. As for me, You're clearly looking for someone that makes him look like a scum and make up stories then vote him. You're Obviously an Obvious Scum. Very suspicious.

I'm not trying to defend DoctorPepper because I said this. I just agreed of what he said.

Before I vote you, What is your reason why you change your vote for RC?

UNVOTE: House

I've answered this before and I refuse to do it again. Look through my old posts in this game and you'll get the answer. I'm not going to continue defending myself over something that's been covered.

I just want a "clarification and more explanation" and I think that post has nothing to do with the present since you voted DcotorPepper, I believe.
And you "refused" a clarification and that makes it suspicious. Sorry but I think you're a 100% scum, Mr. Foe.

VOTE: foedufafa

[House]

foe, you make me has a sad.

[House]

foe

Harlii, you make me has a sad.

EBWOP

[Harlii]

I get the distinct feeling that RC isn't going to be back to explain for a while, and I don't think I'm willing to wait that long. I'm willing to take the (not that risky, in my opinion) risk here for reasons I explained earlier. To, again, put DP in L-1:

VOTE: DoctorPepper

(House: I was willing to unvote earlier in the interests of getting more analysis from more sources, which always seems beneficial. Apologies for screwing around with my vote and such, but it's my first game and I'm still trying to figure out what I think is good play in various situations)

[House]

DoctorPepper, you need to claim.

Intent to hammer

[foedufafa]

I just want a "clarification and more explanation" and I think that post has nothing to do with the present since you voted DcotorPepper, I believe.
And you "refused" a clarification and that makes it suspicious. Sorry but I think you're a 100% scum, Mr. Foe.

VOTE: foedufafa

What I refused to answer is an accusation that I've already dealt with. I understand you came into this game late, but I'm not answering your question because I've already answered it. You're the one who isn't bothering to look back at my old posts on the matter.

[House]

In other news...

Very scum: {Giga}

I can't wait to hear more about this, lol...

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I was not prepared for hammering this quickly. What happens if DP flips town? Scum? I have no clue what really happens in either scenario. I'd really like to hear House's thoughts on this specifically since he's the one giving his intent to hammer.

I'd unvote to reflect on the fact that I want more time to think about this, but I don't see RC, Racer, or KNDP quickhammering, nor do I see DP self-voting. My vote stays, I guess.

We have like 10 days before the deadline, too. Is it bad to ask we use a little bit more time to think about this? We also have two (three? DP is too, right?) players in V/LA whose input could point us in another direction.

Also I'm not really going to defend against the people scumreading me because I can see why some of my plays could be viewed as scummy in retrospect. Would like to know the specifics though for future reference.

[DoctorPepper]

All the interesting things happen while I'm asleep. I'm kind of really buying into this DoctorPepper wagon, especially since makesnosense showed up. The whole "scum!rc wouldn't put their partner at hard neutral" or whatever it was thing rubs me as a WIFOM, if that's the right use of the term. I'm not super down to put anyone at L-1, but if it's going to be on anyone, it's going to be on DP. I just can't justify a reason why as town he'd go that hard on foe for things that are at best half-true.

Honestly, it feels like one of {foe, doctorpepper} is probably scum, based on how hard they're going at each other. Of those two, I'd put it as doctorpepper.

So:
UNVOTE: makesnosense
VOTE: DoctorPepper

In other news, I'm slightly sad that I'm apparently the safest townread because I feel like that makes me a good target to be nightkilled, which I would prefer not to happen.

Now this is a horrible reason to scum read someone

[DoctorPepper]

I get the distinct feeling that RC isn't going to be back to explain for a while, and I don't think I'm willing to wait that long. I'm willing to take the (not that risky, in my opinion) risk here for reasons I explained earlier. To, again, put DP in L-1:

VOTE: DoctorPepper

(House: I was willing to unvote earlier in the interests of getting more analysis from more sources, which always seems beneficial. Apologies for screwing around with my vote and such, but it's my first game and I'm still trying to figure out what I think is good play in various situations)

You're flip floppy and your vote after House expressed displeasure makes me sense you feel the need to be liked and make people like you. Kinda scummy of you to vote right after the IC tells you to.

Also lol for the IC committing the very non IC play of intending to hammer right away, early on the day to deny town information. Jeez.
I will not claim. This is just straight up bad play. If you mislynch me this early without anything to go off but 'Defending the V/LA player' and 'basing reads off supposedly shaky stances' then so be it. I see my wagon is heavily scum motivated, and if you don;t see it well sucks for this town

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I get the distinct feeling that RC isn't going to be back to explain for a while, and I don't think I'm willing to wait that long. I'm willing to take the (not that risky, in my opinion) risk here for reasons I explained earlier. To, again, put DP in L-1:

VOTE: DoctorPepper

(House: I was willing to unvote earlier in the interests of getting more analysis from more sources, which always seems beneficial. Apologies for screwing around with my vote and such, but it's my first game and I'm still trying to figure out what I think is good play in various situations)

You're flip floppy and your vote after House expressed displeasure makes me sense you feel the need to be liked and make people like you. Kinda scummy of you to vote right after the IC tells you to.

Also lol for the IC committing the very non IC play of intending to hammer right away, early on the day to deny town information. Jeez.
I will not claim. This is just straight up bad play. If you mislynch me this early without anything to go off but 'Defending the V/LA player' and 'basing reads off supposedly shaky stances' then so be it. I see my wagon is heavily scum motivated, and if you don;t see it well sucks for this town

UNVOTE: DoctorPepper

House needs to convince me to bring him back to L-1. I really think I need to reanalyze my reads, I knew there was something wrong about House wanting to hammer so quickly.

[DoctorPepper]

Not claiming, but in case I get quick hammered my watch list is House, foe and Harli. Gl town.

Good for you for coming back to your senses

[DoctorPepper]

I guess this is kinda my fault for providing cursory glances and just making posts when I read them on my phone without double checking if what i said was correct, I'll get on this when I have more time.

For now, I think I'll have to convince you to go foe

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Not claiming, but in case I get quick hammered my watch list is House, foe and Harli. Gl town.

Good for you for coming back to your senses

Honestly I still don't think Harlii is that suspicious, he just comes across as very new to mafia as a whole. Wishy-washy voting is normally pretty suspicious, yes, but when everyone's a newbie I think it's a bit more normal to be unsure of yourself. If anything, being

too

confident in your reads seems more scummy for a new player. With some experience on Harlii's side it'd be a lot different.

If this wagon has made me want to think more about my reads, I think House is the person I'd move down. I see a MNS/House scumteam as a possibility, but nothing more than that.

I guess this is kinda my fault for providing cursory glances and just making posts when I read them on my phone without double checking if what i said was correct, I'll get on this when I have more time.

For now, I think I'll have to convince you to go foe

Maybe, but I'll have to give it more thought. This is just pretty difficult because I'm pretty much going the opposite of my initial gut feelings.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Also I should add that claiming Day 1 pretty much hurts town no matter what. Claiming VT narrows down the pool of power roles for mafia to hunt down, while claiming a power role just makes you a certain target, especially if you're helpless (Doctor, Cop w/o doctor, etc). Any BP Townie claim should be seen as scummy anyway.

[DoctorPepper]

This is where I disagree with you. Normally scum, especially new scum, are less reckless when they post, they want to keep their posts well read and have little room to attack. Overly cautious play is scummy in situations like this

[House]

I get the distinct feeling that RC isn't going to be back to explain for a while, and I don't think I'm willing to wait that long. I'm willing to take the (not that risky, in my opinion) risk here for reasons I explained earlier. To, again, put DP in L-1:

VOTE: DoctorPepper

(House: I was willing to unvote earlier in the interests of getting more analysis from more sources, which always seems beneficial. Apologies for screwing around with my vote and such, but it's my first game and I'm still trying to figure out what I think is good play in various situations)

You're flip floppy and your vote after House expressed displeasure makes me sense you feel the need to be liked and make people like you. Kinda scummy of you to vote right after the IC tells you to.

Also lol for the IC committing the very non IC play of intending to hammer right away, early on the day to deny town information. Jeez.
I will not claim. This is just straight up bad play. If you mislynch me this early without anything to go off but 'Defending the V/LA player' and 'basing reads off supposedly shaky stances' then so be it. I see my wagon is heavily scum motivated, and if you don;t see it well sucks for this town

UNVOTE: DoctorPepper

House needs to convince me to bring him back to L-1. I really think I need to reanalyze my reads, I knew there was something wrong about House wanting to hammer so quickly.

Not actually interested in a DP lynch. I was more interested in his reaction to his wagon and whether he'd be derphammered.

You screwed up the second part of that by unvoting and being flippant; nobody really had a chance to jump at the opportunity.

There was a reason I had myself set up as the hammer vote and claimed it early. You need to learn to let things be and watch how they play out, THEN judge the results.

And no, my read on DP hadn't changed. I just wouldn't have shed a tear if he had been derphammered because the wagon is on scum.

[DoctorPepper]

^ The logic of "I never really intended to hammer but I think he's scum" is alarming

[DoctorPepper]

See there are good reaction tests and there are bad ones. Getting to a point where a hammer is necessary and getting a role claim 4 days into the 14 day Day phase of the game probably isn't a good reaction test. The way to avoid a derp hammer would be "someone unvote until we get enough info"

[House]

Nah, it was fine as it was.