Newbie 1718 [Game Over!] Mafia

[gigabyteTroubadour]

If you thought he voted for me (-2), then -1 is slightly less. The only error I see still is that he voted for me.

[House]

I think I still townread House but there's a lot more doubt in there. I need a moment to decide whether or not I should validate that doubt or not.

You had this doubt when I simply stated intent to hammer, yet zero doubts when I posted a factually inaccurate case along with a vote?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I think I still townread House but there's a lot more doubt in there. I need a moment to decide whether or not I should validate that doubt or not.

You had this doubt when I simply stated intent to hammer, yet zero doubts when I posted a factually inaccurate case along with a vote?

With my Harlii townread going down the drain, yes. Foe is my only solid townread and I tend to agree with your reads and claims.

[House]

If you thought he voted for me (-2), then -1 is slightly less. The only error I see still is that he voted for me.

Facts are objective.

He voted for RC in the very post I quoted, and -3 is considerably less than -1.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

wtf why did i say "claims", disregard that

And OK, that's three things wrong. I still like pressure on Racer64 so I'm keeping my vote there.

[House]

I think I still townread House but there's a lot more doubt in there. I need a moment to decide whether or not I should validate that doubt or not.

You had this doubt when I simply stated intent to hammer, yet zero doubts when I posted a factually inaccurate case along with a vote?

With my Harlii townread going down the drain, yes. Foe is my only solid townread and I tend to agree with your reads and claims.

How can you agree with my reads when your Harlii townread is going down the drain?

More inconsistency.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I was really liking Harlii's posting until the self-proclaimed major townread and nk paranoia. That was bad play if town, and manipulative if scum. Still mulling that one over.

Harlii's still a townread then?

[House]

I was really liking Harlii's posting until the self-proclaimed major townread and nk paranoia. That was bad play if town, and manipulative if scum. Still mulling that one over.

Harlii's still a townread then?

Harlii is not a person of interest for today.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I was really liking Harlii's posting until the self-proclaimed major townread and nk paranoia. That was bad play if town, and manipulative if scum. Still mulling that one over.

Harlii's still a townread then?

Harlii is not a person of interest for today.

OK, but if you're going to suggest that our reads aren't similar, then I don't see how that quote from you implies Harlii's anything but a nullread.

[House]

I was really liking Harlii's posting until the self-proclaimed major townread and nk paranoia. That was bad play if town, and manipulative if scum. Still mulling that one over.

Harlii's still a townread then?

Harlii is not a person of interest for today.

OK, but if you're going to suggest that our reads aren't similar, then I don't see how that quote from you implies Harlii's anything but a nullread.

Harlii is not the subject of discussion. You adding a vote after a contrived case on Racer64 is the subject of discussion.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I was really liking Harlii's posting until the self-proclaimed major townread and nk paranoia. That was bad play if town, and manipulative if scum. Still mulling that one over.

Harlii's still a townread then?

Harlii is not a person of interest for today.

OK, but if you're going to suggest that our reads aren't similar, then I don't see how that quote from you implies Harlii's anything but a nullread.

Harlii is not the subject of discussion. You adding a vote after a contrived case on Racer64 is the subject of discussion.

Discussing the read on Harlii is relevant to me though, you said I was inconsistent for saying I both generally have agreed with you (why I put a vote on Racer64 without much thought) and distrusting Harlii.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

House, Racer isn't voting for me, or anyone for that matter.

I still think he's pretty suspicious but I want him to defend himself once more before placing a vote, his V/LA ends tomorrow.

So?

There's nothing wrong with him coming back to some pressure.

Also I voted for Racer because you specifically said this... If you had corrected yourself I wouldn't have changed my mind about staying on an unvote.

[House]

I was really liking Harlii's posting until the self-proclaimed major townread and nk paranoia. That was bad play if town, and manipulative if scum. Still mulling that one over.

Harlii's still a townread then?

Harlii is not a person of interest for today.

OK, but if you're going to suggest that our reads aren't similar, then I don't see how that quote from you implies Harlii's anything but a nullread.

Harlii is not the subject of discussion. You adding a vote after a contrived case on Racer64 is the subject of discussion.

Discussing the read on Harlii is relevant to me though, you said I was inconsistent for saying I both generally have agreed with you (why I put a vote on Racer64 without much thought) and distrusting Harlii.

So you're admitting that you've been sheeping me instead of forming your own reads?

That doesn't exactly improve my opinion.

I have to give you props though, you were doing a marvelous job of buddying me.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

So you're admitting that you've been sheeping me instead of forming your own reads?

How can you say I've been sheeping you? I was the first to push for both of this game's major wagons (MNS and DP), and you weren't even a part of MNS at its end. Also, me unvoting DP because I didn't want you to have the power to hammer implies that I have

some

distrust of you.

Really the only time I've sheeped you is the vote you're scumreading me for, which is fair, but I think my mislynch will be incredibly unhelpful to the town because it doesn't incriminate Scim!House at all.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

*Scum!House

[House]

At least I townread you harder now because Scum!House would have missed that typo to use me as an easy mislynch tomorrow.

Really the only time I've sheeped you is the vote you're scumreading me for, which is fair, but I think my mislynch will be incredibly unhelpful to the town because it doesn't incriminate Scum!House at all.

Yep. 1 scum down, 1 to go.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

My logic is that Scum!House wouldn't do this, but me pointing that out gives scum!House a reason to go foward with it and use it as towncred.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

also if you're going to say i'm scum without a flip, who's my scumbuddy?

[DoctorPepper]

^ associative tells like this don't help your case tbh. The insistence of "I'm not scum, who is my scum buddy" adds nothing to the discussion. Would it matter at this point? Scum act independently during the day anyway

[gigabyteTroubadour]

No, they don't, but I want to better understand House's case besides that one slip. I just personally would not be so certain about someone being scum unless I know what I want after a correct lynch and after an incorrect lynch.

[House]

No, they don't, but I want to better understand House's case besides that one slip. I just personally would not be so certain about someone being scum unless I know what I want after a correct lynch and after an incorrect lynch.

You jumped on an entirely inaccurate case as an excuse to cast a vote.

That. Is. Not. Town.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

No, they don't, but I want to better understand House's case besides that one slip. I just personally would not be so certain about someone being scum unless I know what I want after a correct lynch and after an incorrect lynch.

You jumped on an entirely inaccurate case as an excuse to cast a vote.

That. Is. Not. Town.

The case wasn't even why I wanted to vote. I think DP/Racer is still a possible scumteam and apply pressure onto him. If I wanted to jump on a vote because of your inaccurate case, my first post in response to you would have been a vote. You telling me "My case might be inaccurate but it's still good to pressure him" persuaded me to vote, and I justified it because I can unvote when I need to.

At this point I realize I can't defend myself (and House is totally justified to put this much pressure on me, whether or not this was a test at first or a legitimate scumread), so I'm trying to make sure Town isn't fucked when I flip town.

[Harlii]

Because I agreed that he needed some pressure? He's been mostly on V/LA and unlike RC there's not really anything to justify anything more than a townread. So giving him 2 votes of pressure seems better than 1.

I think DP/Racer is still a possible scumteam and apply pressure onto him.

Okay, so here's my question(s).

When House says "Pressure" in this context, my assumption is he means something along the lines of forcing Racer to explain his previous "weird" (as they were thought by House at the time of initial wagon) actions. Giga comes back with discussion of the inaccuracies of the claim of "weird"-ness. And then votes for Racer anyway, to put on "pressure".

What's the intent of the "pressure"? Is its only goal to explain his initial nullread on DP?

Also, in 194, when you say "justify anything more than a townread", that's a really confusing statement to me. Do you mean more as in you can't justify a stronger townread, or more as in can't justify not a townread, or more as in something else entirely?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I meant more than a nullread. It makes no sense because it's not what I intended to write. I don't think anyone can possibly townread Racer and that's what I would have said if I didn't make that stupid error.

I still think Racer's nullread is weird and I want him to explain himself. That's what I mean by pressure. House's view on the weirdness of the vote (why not giga?) was different from mine (why DP?) but House and I were still on the same track with the DP read.

I think House went off on me because RC, who he trusts more on the basis of skill, has me as a very strong scumread (yet he's not on my wagon yet) and he wanted to see how I would put up with a fight. I failed miserably, and it's really starting to frustrate me because I thought I was better than this :/.

[Harlii]

How can you agree with my reads when your Harlii townread is going down the drain?

More inconsistency.

Harlii is not a person of interest for today.

House, why isn't your read on me relevant here, when part of your case on Giga making inconsistent statements is their read on me + their statement of agreement with you? Giga asked you this too, but I think you kind of dodged it by moving on to the sheeping thing.