Mini 1796 | May 13th - Game over (Tomato Mafia wins)

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It's okay, I'm not going to press this issue until it resurfaces at a later time.

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Sorry if I'm being dumb, but I don't get it

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Honestly I have a townread on everyone except for tommy at this point, but that's can't be true so I'm gonna have to figure some stuff out

transcend, rask, and jarjar are some of my weaker townreads atm just in terms of attitude and other things I've noticed so far

PEdit: I don't have very good reasons for most of them, if there's a specific one you want me to explain ask. At some point I'm gonna have to do a reread and look for specific things, especially after we have a scum flip

Explain my townread, Lowell's townread, Trivium's townread

and also why Transcend is a " weak " townread to you, in depth please

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I don't feel the way you interacted with Transcend is the way you interact with one of your " weaker townreads" when you have a list full of townreads, if I'm being honest.

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Loving the 'forest' schtick. Dude, you should have just gone with a single, confident 'no'. The vanilla PM was in Creature's first post.

Son of a bitch. I DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE THAT. Was hoping to catch dude slipping.

Anyways.

Like, i might even have a power role

Also this is more garbage ATE bullshit. Town should never make this post.

For me today it's either Infinity or scout, I actually feel comfortable with infinity so leggo

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JarJar, in this case I honestly think the " resistance " to scout's lynch is scum trying to make themselves look townie.


VOTE: Infinity

Fuck it.

@Mod yo, doesn't kush's sig say v/la on weekends? Doesn't that make his replacement sorta.......uncalled for?


unless he didnt post during the week

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I already did read.

I legitimately thought I was replacing into a scum slot

and was sad when my role pm said town

Phoneposting right now and probably will be for the rest of today, but tommy looks like scum to me.

Vote on my slot looks like an excuse to avoid engagement

and so do his posts tbh. (Though his posts seem towny on the surface, this doesn't mean much)

Alpaca is noob town I think (directly saying "this is scummy so I won't do it" reads like noob town posting), Zach jar jar trivium and inspector are all town too I'm pretty sure

What's up transcend you're town right

what kind of question is that?

and how is he supposed to answer it? " ya guys.. im .. im .nott......"

I'M the one that does the satire around here.

not to mention he has everyone as town, and some as less credible town.

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Jarjar, i asked you questions and you blatantly avoided them.
I said that PR thing as a purely hypothetical thing to try and hope to get you thinking about lynching me. But that post has been a few posts ago already. Why point that out now instead of replying to my post about how quick wagons build or answering my questions?

Because you really shouldn't even be hinting at PR like that.

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Son of a bitch. I DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE THAT. Was hoping to catch dude slipping

Well, he was pretty cagey about it.

I feel like I could have executed that a lot better.

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But I actually decided to come in and interact with people so I can determine their alignment.

u called everyone town LMAO, you're very determined

Zach, I've liked what you've had to say recently and the observations you've pointed out. What is your opinion on Tommy's actions vs. Hood words in this game?

what?

anyways i'll just uh.. i'll just say that the forest thing wasn't entirely false and leave it @ that

Softclaims are usually town. We're not lynching a softclaim d2.

Only pointing this out cause you made it obvious already

inspector himself said it was a hypothetical.

Sometimes reactions to questions like this can be alignment indicative, it wasn't really much of anything

Sometimes, but not right there because that's not why you asked him that.

Yep, I just told you why you did something.

It's easy to look town if you don't engage with people, that's why tommy is doing it

It's also easy to interact with everyone to try and look town, what have you been doing that benefits the town as opposed to creating a bunch of " well maybe this could be true maybe that could be true"?

We have scout for that.

wagon on me is pretty weak reasoning but I don't think it's scum driven

Tommy and I are basically driving your wagon. He STARTED your wagon. Tommy is the closest thing you have to a scumread this game. He's got one hand on the fucking wheel. But not scum driven?

That means the scum are off your wagon? So not me, JJD, or Tommy, but somewhere else? And not inspector, because you townread him?

Is the wagon on me seriously cause you guys don't understand my reads? It would've been laughably easy for me-scum to come in and make a pretty wallpost that summarized the last 50 pages and it would probably just get me townread by a lot of people tbh. But I actually decided to come in and interact with people so I can determine their alignment.

If that were the case, Alpaca would be conf based on his entrance.

You seem to think the objective of scum is to look town.

It is not.

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I still can't get over Tommy pushing Kush aka easy scum ml and when that vote received no momentum, he voted inspector.

This is an oxymoron given what follows. Obviously NOT an easy scum ML if there was no momentum. Thus making a lot of sense if actual scum.

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is it your mission in life to comment on why every single post i make is wrong

If it were my mission, I'd have a lot more comments.

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a bit of an exaggeration on my behalf, but it is a bit annoying that i can't get a word in without you interjecting lol

I'm actually just aggravatingly sad because I never received a power town invite and I'm lashing out because I'm emotionally unstable and can't control my feelings.

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I honestly didn't even notice tommy's push cause it's was so weak

Just gonna let this one sit here.

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Tommy wasn't trying to make himself useful. That action actually was useful.

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zach i'm actually not opposed to being power town with you if you drop the vote on inspector

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Tommy wasn't trying to make himself useful. That action actually was useful.

Lemme just ask you, do most townies who start a bandwagon act like that

Shit, is what's I'm noticing just a personality tell and I'm reading to much into this?

It would appear you'd know more about that than me.


Probably a personality tell. For sure. Now what are you going to do?

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Now what are you going to do?

Try to figure out the game for realz, rn I'm doing some VCA so I'll get back to you with that in a bit

Also I'm in the middle of going over ISO's so I should have a readwall by tomorrow

b-by tomorrow?

that would imply you hope to live past today........

VOTE: infinity

LMFAOOOO infinity ya homie just switched up on you like that... that's tragic

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Now what are you going to do?

Try to figure out the game for realz, rn I'm doing some VCA so I'll get back to you with that in a bit

Also I'm in the middle of going over ISO's so I should have a readwall by tomorrow

b-by tomorrow?

that would imply you hope to live past today........

If you actually think it's correct to lynch someone based on the posts they make in 1 day that's laughable

Don't let me interrupt you in the middle of ISOs and stuff.

i said i was gonna be isos but now i can't be fucked. i think my vote is in a good spot right now.

So is jarjar clear now?

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Infinity basically just said what scout(and transcend) did LMFAO. I am not impressed.

If that's what you think go for it, but RIP

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Hi I'm back

Why didn't you call me scum for that zach

am i not still trying to kill you?

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I also grilled drmy without voting.

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Well I believe scum believed they could work to get a lynch on ANYONE but Dunn.

Which is true because anyone who thought they were getting Dunn lynched is smoking PCP

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not really, but i really hope that post #1337 isn't garbage and i will be upset if it is

no your permavote will never leave him

What if I said trivium was buddying you zach

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It's the old " townread the person trying to kill me so he townreads me "

ya you didnt think i remember when john proctor did that back in the first mafia we had in 1860 in salem? nt

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can we just casket infinity already

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I like how you turned a noun into a verb.

You don't watch enough battle rap.


.........you don't listen to rap, do you.


@Infinity I was referencing. . .I was .. it was a joke

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I'm going to bed, night everyone

goodnight. forever

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Inf said JarJar was scum 2 pages ago. I'm assuming something changed in the 2 pages and 2 posts that JarJar made since then?

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Triv - scum cause he's too smart to just vote on all the wagons that pop up. I think he might be playing dumb a little

p sure he wanted to kill scout with me yesterday and he hopped on the wagon today....... the ... your wagon

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No way boys, if you want off the Infinity train you'll have to KILL THE CONDUCTOR

that trivium vote is awful btw

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that trivium vote is awful btw

Makes me think Triv is his scumbudy and he's trying to distance himself.

na bro trivium town

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yo Triv we gotta string up infinity bruh no evaluation necessary

I will not hesitate to smite you with my magic wand

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man i really dont get why triv is getting townreads; if i played like him i was lynched D1 for sure

not too far off, you played like you and almost got lynched d2

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Is there anyone else that thinks Raskscum?

he's rubbing me the wrong way...

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^

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I honestly think you guys think I'm scum cause my posting style is weird and cause scum are doing a really good job at looking town

What is the course of action you think we should do

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Bold statement but I'm thinking 3/4 of your wagon is town

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not really no i just have to prepare for in case im wrong

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im tired of every person i try to fucking kill not dying

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VOTE: Alpaca

Imagine not responding to my iso and expecting to not get voted then L-1ing someone else.

y...y.. WHAT?

FUC K IT Ill SOlve This

SNIPE: INFINITY

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wait that has to be on a new line too

SNIPE: INFINITY

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ok.... im not sure why .. hes still alive..

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Sorry dude obv mod would've had to come in

im having a malfunction

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I'm starting to think reaction tests are just a bad idea. None of them ever work pretty much.

its ok transcend will realize the error of his way and return his vote where it belongs

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I think we should use every day we have though cause we certainly need it.

How many days do you have

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Honestly even if you guys think I'm scum you should wait until the last day to hammer

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ok so... so... why the fuck is no one defending him?

probably cause bacde and rask aren't here atm

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ok so... so... why the fuck is no one defending him?

probably cause bacde and rask aren't here atm

are those two slots your other scumreads?

bacde maybe but like

I could kill rask right now. WE SHOULD DO THAT IF YOU WAVER ON INFINITY

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every time you post, i want to lynch you. sorry lol

LMFAOOOO

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Are you saying it's faked or something

Transcend I think you're trying to lynch me cause of a tone thing but that was the exact same reason i thought you were scum at the beginning of the game.

when u say beginning of the game do you mean beginning of the game or when you entered it?

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UNVOTE:

I'm a sucker for a VT claim

God damn it jarjar

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From Kush's play alone it was obvious that anything but a VT claim is instant suicide

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I have a theory



Jarjar and infinity

No bullshit that same theory popped into my head

but my dear comrades if my soul is taken tonight then you must burn Raskolnikov without question

it is my last wish

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but my dear comrades if my soul is taken tonight then you must burn Raskolnikov without question

It's not like I'm actually gonna die! Haha!

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^^ look at this scumfuck's opportunistic voting

PEdit: I'm really tired and for some reason forgot you were voting me. It's not even a towntell because scum don't usually claim when they're hammered anyway.

so ya should have opted to vote lowell cause he didnt give us jack shit

Zach, we both know we're town. At least I really hope you are. I want to ask you a question. How is jarjar town after everything that's happened.

i mean he's still been my townread if you want i could go over his slot

I put waayyy too much trust into zach. I'm putting everything into this bet. I'm not even trying to hide it, zach is so obviously town that I wouldn't be able to look at this game at all without that bias. But looking over the game, Logically one of us must be scum.

Who is " one of us " referring to?

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If infinity flips scum jarjar is scum. That is all.

what does one of us mean?

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One of us refers to you, me, and jarjar. I don't like townreading two people in this type of core, so I'm getting pretty sensitive about jar. Go over his slot pls.

Well to you you should obviously be town, and if you're hedging everything on me being town then the answer should be clear to you by default, I'm not sure why that question was necessary in the first place. That sounded really bad.

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inf, why does his reasoning for the vote matter if he's wrong anyway?

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but a VT claim is the one they don't expect and it's effective if you're scum because most of the time, town claim vt

OKAY so today me triv and jarjar have been the domineering lynch force now im thinking scum would do something smart and have one person mixed in with all the wagons, while the scum stay off it.

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BECAUSE WE ALMOST GOT LOWELL KILLED AND WE ALMOST GOT SCOUT KILLED WITH MINIMAL RESISTANCE.


THE MOST WE ENCOUNTERED WAS UPON SCOUT'S LYNCH.

WE NEVER GOT A CLAIM FROM LOWELL WHICH ...... IN INFINITY'S OWN WORDS , SCUM TEND TO NOT CLAIM WHEN THEY'RE ABOUT TO BE LYNCHED SO IT SHOULD FOLLOW THAT LOWELL IS SCUM FROM HIS PERSPECTIVE.

BUT... his vote is on trivium

That's what I think, so jarjar

would be the cum

in our little shindig

you're triggering me.

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scum don't usually claim when they're hammered anyway.

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UNVOTE: INFINITY

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NO INTENT TO HAMMER JARJAR IS SCUM I REPEAT JARJAR IS SCUM

I feel like you should have lynched kush's slot a lot earlier with this rationale.

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To be fair.. I wouldn't intent to hammer either cause im a motherfucking G

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i dont know what the fuck is going on anymore my mental faculties are collapsing like the soviet union

hahahahaha

I bought the fake hammer as a hammer and didn't see the actual hammer

Unless you guys are just fucking with me again

i... i think you're dead.

your posts strike me as scum like a fucking matchbox full of lightning so... um.. forgive me if you're town

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i think we can take pride in the fact that this lynch was better than the lynch of drmy by a margin.

baby steps.

I love those similes

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I actually think trivium is town now.

GOD DAMMIT YOU WAFFLE CONE EATING MOTHERFUCKER WHY

WHY DO YOU DO THIS TO ME

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Screw u all seriously

U WERE THE ONE THAT hamereed tho. you cant just blame us like my dad blames me for being a waste of oxygen.

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I feel like zach should be questioning me more fore townreading him at the level that I do but it's cool. Jarjar.... good luck tomorrow.

I don't question people when they speak the truth

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Transcend what would you do if after all this I flipped scum.

DONT EVEN PLAY

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im just so fuckin confused. so many people dodged bullets today.

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all. i have to kil l you all.

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im just so fuckin confused. so many people dodged bullets today.

i hate to say it bruv but it's your fault that we couldn't get jarjar/tommy lynched because you kept strongarming badlynches like scout, lowell, and i guess infinity although he was scummy.

prior to the last 3-4 pages you wouldnt have been able to get me to even think jarjar could be scum. and i still think tommy is town.

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LMFAOOO i dont believe that the hammer was scummy it's other extenuating circumstances that make the possibility of you being scum go up by a 14% margin

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im just so fuckin confused. so many people dodged bullets today.

i hate to say it bruv but it's your fault that we couldn't get jarjar/tommy lynched because you kept strongarming badlynches like scout, lowell, and i guess infinity although he was scummy.

prior to the last 3-4 pages you wouldnt have been able to get me to even think jarjar could be scum. and i still think tommy is town.

do you think that jarjar is scum? you started casting doubts on him i know trivium did and i think you did as well.

not really but id have to iso that slot ill wait til tomorrow if i survive

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transcend this may seem redundant but why is an iso of that slot necessary for YOU? he has been your #1 scumread this entire game. so it's not to determine his alignment.

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WTF THAT RASK KILL

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I feel like killing Bacde for some strange reason.

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Which means Zach is probably scum cause where was scum on scouts wagon?

Which means I'm not scum so try again

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JarJar acting like Trivium's vote on him isn't there

Which means Zach is probably scum cause where was scum on scouts wagon?

So you townread Trivium higher than me or are you just trying to pocket him

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I dunno mane we seem lost for angles I could probably be with you on alpaca

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Aren't you voting him?

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idk if trivs clear u want him on your side for lynches but despite what people have been saying u dont read to me as scum still

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VOTE: alpaca
I was here. bacde was here. dead cop raskol was here. Three people I (now) feel very good about. Also, the way the wagon sort of fizzled when it could have taken off, and instead lo and behold everyone votes infinity, reinforces my read here.

@triv, no, I'm not going to apologize for being right. Thanks for the offer, though. rask was moving up my scumlist by the end of the day. gun to my head it would have been a tossup between rask and alpaca. so, long story short, his death makes my decision easier.

OH WHOOPS

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WTF THAT RASK KILL

Uh huh.

Do you believe my surprise was fabricated?

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Do you believe my surprise was fabricated?

I believe you made a deliberate decision to post it.

Impressive deductive instincts. Are you going to do anything about it?

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Scout, can you remind me why you're voting for me?

Uhh, i still want jarjar and triv dead but i can live with a tommy lynch for now, since hes been rising into my scumreads. Hes still didnt give clear reads. He was sure of kush being scum, and now he seems sure of me being scum. He townreads triv and...? And yes, not only his votes but also his play is opportunistic. His scumspects were an afk player and a player at L-3 who is flailing like crap. Nice.

Plus my wagon yesterday couldn't be full town. I think you and jarjar are a team. have yet to figure out the third member, triv is rising in my reads lately.

If ur scum your wagon could easily have been full town.

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It's also laughable that your wagon couldn't have been full town but it can be full scum (2/3 scum? You're still not sure on me though)

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VOTE: Lowell

I want to kill this slot actually he skated off last lynch and has been coasting this entire game

Need some backup here

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@zach, wrong again. alpaca is the vote here.

nah.

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Also pretty bold move to say there's scum in a group of 4/10 players left.

No. I would not be surprised with Lowell/Bacd/Alpaca scum.

Scout is still a possibility for me. Lowell's flip would clear that.

You all seem insistent on lynching JarJar, you can do it without my vote then.

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Why not mention you only didn't vote when the wagon was on jarjar? You were on both lynch wagons that turned out to be town, too.

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@ZACH dude...u said lowell flip should determine if im maf or not...where is the reasoning behind that? I didnt say he was scum (i put him on my list cuz everyone seems so sure) but im not certain about him being town. I think i put him at nulltown a while ago, my stance is neutral. Where am i so pro/anti-lowell that his flip will determine my alignment?

You've barely interacted with him throughout the course of the game. I think it's a tell of scumpartners.

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Having Lowell as a neutral read after he got L-1'd yesterday is bad, too.


We should just flip him today.

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VOTE: Zach

Good luck with that.

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Having Lowell as a neutral read after he got L-1'd yesterday is bad, too.


We should just flip him today.

This is not OK. If you don't scumread someone or at least have a reason to, you can't just coast on being 'powertown' and flip your nullreads.

What are you talking about? Scout nullreads him. I scumread him.

I would like everybody to really ISO zach. Especially his reaction to my blatant buddying and WK'ing.

You're gonna sprain a fucking ligament with all that reaching bruh. take it from me

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I interpreted 'neutral read' as your own neutral read.

So that was it?

I would like everybody to really ISO zach. Especially his reaction to my blatant buddying and WK'ing.

Because this post makes you look really bad. Really bad.

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Okay if I HAD to choose between scout and jarjar I would lynch scout because of the way he townreads people like hes giving out free candy. But I don't want either of them.

I want to go back to lowell.

And he turns up dead.

We should kill Lowell. Quit lusting over JarJar for a little.

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He really isn't vote hopping compared to like everyone else and he's solidly anti scout. Jarjar scum has been pushed by over half the game and a substantial amount are power towns like trans so having that driven into you day after day will wear you down if you're not egotistical like me and assume everyones wrong.

I don't care if you townread me I just want to get to tomorrow because

I'm hoping for some clarity then tbh

.

His investigation results probably would have got us somewhere today. I'm pretty sure he would have wanted us to get Lowell, and that may have been who he investigated from what I can tell.

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Sheep my vote

Not I.

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reading Rasks ISO, I'd say that he had a green-check on Triv.

I can guarantee you this is wrong

It doesnt matter he TRd Triv

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You guys aren't willing to lynch scum so...

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Bacde how can you make a guarantee of that sort? or is it just because JJD said it lol

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THAT LINE OF REASONING DOES NOT FOLLOW

MY ALARM SENSES ARE SUPER FUCKING BEEPED RIGHT NOW

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THAT LINE OF REASONING DOES NOT FOLLOW

Explain

the softclaim part.... no...

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Seriously LOL that softclaim part is kind of a reach

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i'm down to lynch Tommy for sure

VOTE: Tommy

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One of Lowell/Tommy is scum, I guarantee it. Whichever one of them I can get more support for is who I'll stick with.

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One or both of Tommy/Lowell

I also think this softclaim business is bullshit.

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Yeah I think Jarjar's flipping V

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flipping V is flipping town right?

ya

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If you don't think that's a softclaim, get better @ mafia. @ least make him explain why he says he guaranteeing that rask didn't check triv.

ya I dont think its a soft. He either drew a different conclusion from the same ISO or he dismissed your statement on the grounds that it was YOU saying it.

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If you don't think that's a softclaim, get better @ mafia. @ least make him explain why he says he guaranteeing that rask didn't check triv.

ya I dont think its a soft. He either drew a different conclusion from the same ISO or he dismissed your statement on the grounds that it was YOU saying it.

So there's no point in even asking him to explain it?

This legitimately reads like my two scumreads pushing on a PR soft to get them to possibly hardclaim.

I think he should absolutely hardclaim.

There's still plenty of explaining for him to do either way

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so you have nothing to say about Tommy sheeping your vote like that?

Transcend and JarJar are both town this is where I'm at right now so your wagons are useless because I don't agree with the Bacde push either

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i hate how stubborn you are about jarjar town zach.

just saying i have a baad feeling about that lynch

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and the fact that its nOT TOMMY OR LOWELL

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but there's 3 mafia? if you tr me jarjar and bacde then who do you think is the last one?

[] scout
[] Trivium
[] Alpaca

place an "X" where applicable

[X] scout
[?] Trivium
[Applesauce] Alpaca


ALTERNATIVELY:

[] scout
[APPLESAUCE] Trivium
[X] Alpaca

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lmfao

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I'm on my phone but Zach if you don't think it was a soft tou also have to explain that second post where he was like 'could be, but that goes against my guarantee'. Everyone who DOES think it was a soft, ask yourselves why Rask is dead. How did he attract the scum kill? Why isn't Zach dead when everyone thought he was town? I know I know, chockfull of WIFOM. But think about a Zach-bacde scum possibility before you sheep Zach today.

ya try again

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a jarjar wagon benefits scum too much. you guys are going to ML on him i'm pretty sure of that

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a jarjar wagon benefits scum too much. you guys are going to ML on him i'm pretty sure of that

why does it "benefit scum"?????????

transcend can push jarjar scum pretty well which means scum doesn't have to be as responsible for their vote because im pretty sure jarjar is going to flip town should that lynch come to fruition. also another townie gets lynched. bad. we want to lynch scum today obviously.


also jarjar was right in #1809 whether you like it or not

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Bacde. Read on Tommy?

What is your opinion on my heavy townread of you

I also want to point out that the late infinity also said JJD was town

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I'm on my phone but Zach if you don't think it was a soft tou also have to explain that second post where he was like 'could be, but that goes against my guarantee'.

No, I don't have to explain that. If it's a guarantee it doesn't break off and fall apart at someone's word. I think that statement was taken at face value when it wasn't meant to be.

you have DUMPED those pushes to pursue a push on someone you have no reason to fos other than a dead pr which might not have even been his doing.

Might not have been. But probably was. I mean what are the chances that town Bacde and a scum investigator both decided to look into Rask?

P sure tommy scum

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In other words, I think I correctly identified that Rask was killed cause scum knew he was a PR and Tommy felt like he had no choice but to bus.

He's just too certain that's what happened.

This is only true on the flimsy fucking basis that Bacde is a PR

Tommy can be scum barring that

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@Creature do scum have daychat

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how will you react when jarjar flips town transcend

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how will you react when jarjar flips town transcend

your townread on jarjar has been what has prevented this town from lynching scum

you need to seriously reconsider your reads

U dont need me to flip him so have fun

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Also that's hilarious that I single handedly prevented anything. Yeah. Don't make your inaction somehow my fault. It's about a 4:1 ratio of people who think JarJar is scum to me. I'm not why he hasn't been lynched.

In any case, we have actual scum to lynch so I'd be pleased if you would reciprocate


I'm almost certain Lowell is scum at this point, by the way. I'd probably be willing to swap him out for Tommy

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Also that's hilarious that I single handedly prevented anything. Yeah. Don't make your inaction somehow my fault. It's about a 4:1 ratio of people who think JarJar is scum to me. I'm not why he hasn't been lynched.

In any case, we have actual scum to lynch so I'd be pleased if you would reciprocate


I'm almost certain Lowell is scum at this point, by the way. I'd probably be willing to swap him out for Tommy

you have much more influence over this game than I do so I think your opinion matters a lot

I've been really frustrated with the pushback I've been getting on jarjar since d1

My one opinion however does not make it impossible for you to attain a majority vote on target of your choosing, especially when TRANSCEND wants to lynch him as well. Blaming me for that is lazy. Not that I'm upset because it's a mislynch anyway... but do what you will

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If nnn gets lynched, it won't be because he quickhammered. That's NAI imo. Legitimately ONE PLAYER IN THIS GAME qh'd me because he didn't know I was at L-1.

Are you saying Kush gets a pass because he may not have known Shotty was at L-1?

Hi can I have feedback on my vote please.

I don't have a read on Lowell yet.

Zach, can you give a case on me please.

@Zach - why do you think that JarJar is town?

Nice appearance just to question me

that's irrelevant. He just is. Besides Triv he's my most strong TR.

my guess is, he tried to get you to hardclaim to acquire information for his team. you didn't budge (good job <3). so he knows he's in shit and last resort busses. i mean COME THE FUCK ON. the line that he voted Tommy for was absolutely non-alignment indicative. I have made SEVERAL legitimate cases on Tommy that he has ignored to pursue OTHER SHITTY LYNCHES.

HANG HIM.

This is awful all this talk about the Bacde soft already condemns him to eat the NK. YES, you did it too so I'm not sure why we're dancing around the obvious elephant in the room. Bacde is hindering town by trying to bury this.


He himself should know that. Not sure why TRANSCEND thought HE would die tonight BUT AT THE SAME TIME THINKS bacde is a PR....


On second thought that makes Transcend scum a lot more likely

Alpaca if you're not scum use your head here

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dude a protective role will be on bacde and they have to kill outside. maybe they'll hit bacde but i'm sure a protective role will be on him.

W I F O M but w/e

If that's remotely the case he should claim now if he's safe tonight... it makes no sense he can also deliver results tomorrow




but its not gonna happen in any capacity because this PR stuff is bullshit.

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Alpaca, a short but simple answer.

Trans, u havent answered:

If we lynch scout and he flips town

then do you admit that we (triv, zach, myself) are the power town players and you're garbage?

Scumslip.

This is a

ridiculous

joke. Obvious typo.

And that being a scumslip would kind of insinuate that his partners are me and Trivium.

Alpaca, that was NOT an answer.

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I wouldn't have answered for the motherfucker if not for Alpaca asked you for the single scummiest thing he's done in the game and you give him THAT bullshit. LOL

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And that being a scumslip would kind of insinuate that his partners are me and Trivium.

no

Okay, great.


Saying that is the SCUMMIEST THING he's done in this game still makes you look very, very, very bad.

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Pedit: don't worry Zach I'm not that bad of a player

IT WOULD APPEAR I AM

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ok hf with that

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I'll make a giant case on him eventually, but there's a lack of motivation from me right now.

Will that 1 post still be the scummiest thing in the giant wall?

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^^^this is why we need to lynch jarjar

what happened to lynching me bro

Nobody wants to lynch you. They might after Tommy flips red or they'll still think I'm bussing.

I think it's pretty clear that You and Tommy are both desperately trying to get me lynched.

Tommy hasn't been trying to get you lynched at all dude

but whatever

Scum's either you or Bacde so this slot hangs first

VOTE: Tommy

AM I MISSING SOMETHING, TRANSCEND?

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Trivium don't jump the gun please I want this lynch but I wanna hear a little more discussion...

don't ITH just hammer shit

- The guy who's #1 scum is JarJar.

does not look good for transcend.

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Also Transcend's blatant apathy to the whole JarJar situation has not gone unnoticed.

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man i wish i could dayvig scout

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Tommy stop being obstinate and vote for Jarjar

I'm not scum if I was I'd hammer you dude

Ridiculous attempt at saving face. If you hammered him that'd be as good as a scumclaim.

Pretty sure JarJar's town. Don't mind the Alpaca wagon. But we still have ten days, so it's not compromise time yet.

You don't have ten days. I'd say you don't have one.

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It's not a naked vote. I'm sheeping Jar Jar. If bacde knows who Rask targeted, and Rask is dead, the most likely thing is that bacde killed Rask.

Then he says:

Pretty sure JarJar's town. Don't mind the Alpaca wagon. But we still have ten days, so it's not compromise time yet.

So you don't mind the Alpaca wagon and talk about compromise when Bacde should be lock scum to you. Nevermind that you've insinuated that

I

could be Bacde's scumpartner.

Rather than argue for the lynch on Bacde which should be your strongest feeling, you talk with him casually at L-1 and again, mention the Alpaca wagon. And the word compromise.

Trivium, just flip him already please.

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Okay Bacde, explain that softclaim shit from yesterday otherwise you're up for the lynch.


also Infinity basically called tommyscum

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And I'm really comfortable with a Lowell lynch.

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I agree 100% with #908. I'm coming around on tommyscum.

He says this and then never once moves on Tommy.

And at L-1 we never got a claim, we got what I assume to be bravado.

VOTE: Lowell

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RIP my dawg trivium

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Also, that kill makes me sad.

Trivium was beginning to get on my good side.

+ 15.5 toward Transcend scum

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holy fuck you guys are still pushing for jarjar scum i want to empty a few .38 rounds into my brain matter

Townread on jarjar and scout. I find it unlikely jarjar and tommy are partners. Could be bussing/distancing, but it seems like a pointless risk to take.

VOTE: alpaca

Somehow he manages to be both scummy and useless. Usually I can only get away with one or the other. So, yes, I'm jealous.

who do you think is scum with alpaca...

By process of elimination, zach or transcend. I'm going to be possibly crazy and guess transcend. I feel I may have been "pocketed" on this one all game. I've been saying he's town all game--I'm worried this game ends with him buttering me up in LYLO.

this is a scumpost from lowell. he says he GUESSES transcend after reading him town all game. the only reason he didn't say me is because he knows there's not a half of a half a chance he or anyone can get me lynched.

also bacde for fucks sake................................................................................ god damn it you're fucking us up here.. not sure why im not voting you.


VOTE: Lowell

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bacde claim. from what i assume there is still a protective role alive so your role is safe.

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Did we get scout to L-1 last time? I can't remember.

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Because I kinda want to kill scout.

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okay scout, i'll let it slide for now.

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I still dislike jarjar and both bacde and lowell have some town credit to me.

i actually might not let it fucking slide at all

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My prediction is the scum on Tommy's wagon is either scout or Transcend and scout is more likely.

I wanted to lynch scout earlier because I remember someone telling me a common scum tell for newer players was ignoring their partners, which makes sense for the little/forced interaction that scout had with Tommy this game.

And even by saying this, i fucked myself because scum now knows my line of thoughts, too, so they can adapt to what i said.

I think this is the kind of 'Aargh I'm going round and round' thought process that's hard for a newbie to fake as scum.

That's not scum talking about scum

I actually thought it was... hmm...

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I feel very comfortable about getting Lowell and sorting out the Bacde and scout situations tomorrow.

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*sigh* if we lynch lowell today, and if he flips green, are you guys finally going to listen to me?
if he flips red you are allowed to say im retarded and conservative lol

no

PEDIT what is the logic of bussing when im newb and i ignored him?

In a situation where that action either helps you or hurts you, it helped you more than it hurt you.

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VOTE: lowell

i really hope you guys arent wrong about this

stop trying to shift responsibility on to us i didnt force your fucking hand to the vote and we're well early into the day


you acting with the crowd and not for yourself makes it very likely you are scum


at the same time I want lowell to die so carry o-

i probably don't need to ask that since you literally just got done saying that lowell would likely flip green

but uh perhaps your opinion changed on the opinions given about lowell

PEDIT: WHAT

*sigh* if we lynch lowell today, and if he flips green, are you guys finally going to listen to me?
if he flips red you are allowed to say im retarded and conservative lol

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PEDIT: uh....................... that was the fastest 180 i've ever seen honestly.

Alpaca didnt say a lot lately but his tone still seems more town...i dunno i see him a bit like me tbh xd he isnt very good at this game either

and as i said i hope you are not wrong about this, but if 3 others are sure about him being scum who am i
but, i also said that his replies to your cases are pretty much bullshit

@zach yeah i should really go on pushing the jarjar wagon because everyone sees him as obv scum.

your decisions are not mine.

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no one hammer or ith until after claim

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after claim from? only lowell or bacde too, like jar asked? or are we just gonna do a massclaim? what do you think is the best option and why?

Pedit lol

I want Lowell to claim and I want Bacde to claim.

I wouldn't suggest a massclaim.

also zach congratz on 2016th post you are very up to date

guess im AHEAD OF THE TIMES NOW

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also, i'm entertaining the idea of a possible townbloc.

jjd's had a really good day today so.......

zach if you put scout in the bloc, i'd be willing to put jjd in the bloc as well...... then we have a townbloc of 4 people in 7 {You, Me, JJD, Scout}

it's quite a gamble to take, but honestly i've seen these blocs work in other games, really well, to my surprise.

HMMMMMMMMMMM scout has to take my town bloc entry quiz first

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lmao do i want to be in a town block?

HMMMMMMMMMMM scout has to take my town bloc entry quiz first

hmmm before you ask anything my answer wont be applesauce.

my town bloc quiz is quite different from Transcend's

- Why did you scumread Trivium throughout the game

- Why was your read of me constantly shifting

- What was your prior case on JarJarDrizzle? Did it change just because transcend's read changed?

+ i dunno if putting me with jarjar is a good idea...he has done a very good day, yes, but apart from that my opinion didnt change yet + he changed his mind about a solid townread on me (?) that wasnt really clear to me so

yes this ties into QUESTION 3

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This Lowell flip will sort things out nicely

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You appear and do everything but claim.

" that's a scummy ass townbloc "

ya the players on it are the most town in the game.. so..

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If you believe in the townbloc you shouldn't mind joining me in voting alpaca, ya?

What I mind is you not claiming when you were L-1 before and you not claiming now.

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If you promise to kill alpaca, then I'll claim. VT.

Bullshit. The amount of resistance you've put up toward claiming and you give us VT?

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also, i'm entertaining the idea of a possible townbloc.

jjd's had a really good day today so.......

zach if you put scout in the bloc, i'd be willing to put jjd in the bloc as well...... then we have a townbloc of 4 people in 7 {You, Me, JJD, Scout}

it's quite a gamble to take, but honestly i've seen these blocs work in other games, really well, to my surprise.

Damn that's a scummy ass townbloc. I don't respond to scummy ass townblocs.

It's a scummy ass townbloc, your words, but Alpaca isn't in it. Who is scum in the bloc?

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@2055, either you or trans, most likely.

What about Alpaca prioritizes his lynch over mine or Transcend's? Short case him.

Claiming in this situation is stupid and will always be stupid. Kill scum with me or gtfo.

I'm not going to tell you how this sounds because you thought about it in your head, wrote it down, still decided to keep it, and then posted it.

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@zach, you have also looked bad at times, but my case on alp is basically that I'm more sure about him than I am about you or trans.

I think jarjar's town, and for whatever reason I'm now on board with scout being town. So if I'm wrong on bacde and he's the last one then good on you, and no hard feelings. But yes, if I'm right and this game ends in a scum win because of LOLTOWNBLOCLOL then yeah it's pretty annoying.

If that's the case then wouldn't Bacde be the one we should be resolving first...


I'm fine with moving to Alpaca and letting that one happen because he doesn't look good...

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VOTE: Alpaca

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I still want Bacde's claim today.

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Whatever happens no one gets hammered until Bacde claims.

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UNVOTE:

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Bacde rn

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No massclaim. Bacde is claiming.

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Due to this turn of events though, I'm p sure we get scum if we flip Alpaca/Lowell in any order

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fuck I even said I would claim first

In Alpaca/Lowell, who's scum?

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nah nah nah i don't think we should force this out of him actually. I have a good feeling he'll be safe at night.

Which is probably why he should claim.. but...

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fuck I even said I would claim first

In Alpaca/Lowell, who's scum?

Would you like my opinion?

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeah case lowell go

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And this information will help us out and if you eat a nk for it, then so be it.

If I eat a NK for it then everything that you need to find will be found

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I'm not sure how that works. What sort of role gets its results revealed upon a flip?

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You weren't included in the they however you should probably just claim since if you are town forcing people to put you at l-1 isn't helping

No fuck off, I stated my terms

If people want to be anti-town and force my hand they can do that but I'm not forcing anyone to do anything

What is the issue with you claiming and why would it be anti town to try and force you to do so?

Pedit: give me a sec zach

what is the issue with people not understand what I've said and not taking it at face value?

I've done a value assessment, its better for me not to claim unless we massclaim

o..................k so debate of the day alpaca / lowell

hmm who do i really believe

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Is it LYLO tomorrow if we ML?

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We can afford to gamble on Alpaca/Lowell.

Which one are you leaning toward again?

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Just for fun, let's call it jarjar, zach, and alpaca as the scumteam. see how I do.

FTR this post doesn't seem like it came from scum unless he's a shifty little fuck doing shifty things to get in our heads

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Another question is would Lowell getting Alpaca lynched be an ideal play for him to make as scum? Because if Alpaca flips town then we get Lowell. I don't think this is the case because Town loses if we mislynch today AND tomorrow, and Lowell being scum would mean we DON'T ML when we get him after Alpaca flips. Although he said prior he's fine with his death if Alpaca dies afterward. That makes me believe Lowell a lot more.

One question though Lowell, and really, why were you so opposed to claiming at L-1 both times? I may know what the answer is already, but I'd like for you to tell me it please.

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Transcend, are we also still holding the belief that Tommy's wagon was full town? Does that happen a lot? I think this is going to be a point that we need to deliberate on in the future.

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What I meant was, if any scum joined Tommy's wagon it was probably JarJar.

With that said, I think Tommy's lynch was a solid town BW.

Replace JarJar with scout and you have my opinion. The possibility of scoutscum isn't as strong for me as it was before though, for some reason.

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Same.

Anyways, Bacde claim. So we can rope alpaca already lol.

He said he wasn't going to unless massclaim and I REALLY DON'T THINK a massclaim is in our best interests right now. I say we just trust him, trust the stars alignment looking out for him, and trust his results tomorrow.

Transcend is very town although scum possibility is a possibility, but I doubt he'd crusade for Tommy's lynch so I'm gonna say town.

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i"M REALLY NOT AT ALL SURE WHY HE'S BEING SO STUBBOrn about the whole claim thing, but it must be for a good reason.

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The only person I wouldn't intent to hammer is inspector. If that guy went to lynch1 I would not hesitate

Keeping this in mind.


I'll probably bite the NK tonight so you guys better win.

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VOTE: AlpacaAlpaca

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@zach

Well all that's left to claim is you and scout and scout already agreed. Stop giving him excuses. If he shows up and doesn't claim then we take it as a scumclaim.

@zach
Stop giving him excuses.

UNVOTE:

just because i want to hear his claim very much

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heeeere, scouty scout scout. *waves one of trivium's dead body parts around*

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heeeere, scouty scout scout. *waves one of trivium's dead body parts around*

effective way to get my attention. what do you want? my claim? a vote on alpaca?

@jarjar i didnt really agree to claim tbh, if possible id like to claim after a scumflip

@zach why keep that trivium quote in mind?

Because trivium was the one that got bumped off, and besides me he was the dual captain of the lynch inspector squad.

I wanted your claim, but I'm super fucking triggered cause I was under the impression that you agreed to claim. If you're not doing that, then we'll get Alpaca's head on a platter.

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Scout, if you're feeling what I'm feeling, then I'm feeling that you claiming tomorrow may be a bad idea.

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I hate to draw out this line of thought more than I need to... but I hope you catch what I'm alluding to.

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Pedit: i think i get what ur hinting at...so i shouldnt claim at all?

No.

I wanted to discuss stuff after a flip but since thats impossible i might as well claim very soon

Today, please. And along with your claim an alpaca vote.