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Post Post #8 (isolation #0) » Fri Jun 10, 2016 11:14 am

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VOTE: atm487

I really want to lynch atm487 atm
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Post Post #27 (isolation #1) » Fri Jun 10, 2016 11:55 pm

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This was so close to become the first non-newbie newbie game...
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Post Post #29 (isolation #2) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 12:18 am

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Link or that doesn't count.
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Post Post #31 (isolation #3) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 12:41 am

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VOTE: LicketyQuickety

Then you're lying.
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Post Post #35 (isolation #4) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 1:25 am

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Lying is a scummy thing, not?
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Post Post #41 (isolation #5) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:31 am

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It's a reaction test, I don't want to wait something happen in this boring RVS.
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Post Post #43 (isolation #6) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:22 am

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tbh I think this is a town!Cakez game
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Post Post #44 (isolation #7) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:23 am

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tojam2 noticed he got a scum PM with so few newbies around and ran away.
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Post Post #48 (isolation #8) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 11:40 am

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You won't get information if you don't vote.
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Post Post #51 (isolation #9) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 11:53 am

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Because you Appeal to Momentum?
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Post Post #55 (isolation #10) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 1:13 pm

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idk

Apparently tojam2 siteflaked.
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Post Post #56 (isolation #11) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 1:15 pm

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But he checked his PM, so it's possible he wanted to disappear because of that.
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Post Post #58 (isolation #12) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 2:01 pm

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Did he even play outside newbie?
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Post Post #60 (isolation #13) » Sat Jun 11, 2016 2:16 pm

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Oh right.
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Post Post #65 (isolation #14) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 1:24 am

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Anyone up to temporary IC this?
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Post Post #67 (isolation #15) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:26 am

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SirCakez

This is your chance to shine as an IC.

(at least explain the L-#/hammer part)
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Post Post #68 (isolation #16) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:04 am

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Damn SirCakez, thought I could town read you.
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Post Post #69 (isolation #17) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:06 am

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atm487's looks towny.
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Post Post #70 (isolation #18) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:06 am

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crazycrabman's posts look like "i need to find a case so my vote isn't scummy"
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Post Post #71 (isolation #19) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:07 am

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Dragon of the West is town.

eagerSnake seems scared.
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Post Post #72 (isolation #20) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:08 am

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Dwlee99 is town.

Can't determine if LicketyQuickety is aiming for town cred or trying to spice something.
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Post Post #73 (isolation #21) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:08 am

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Anyone knows if tojam2 is inactive like this?
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Post Post #74 (isolation #22) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:09 am

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Townleans: atm487, Dragon of the West, Dwlee99
Townleans (close to scumlean): SirCakez
Hard-to-tell leans: LicketyQuickety
Inactive scumleans: eagerSnake, tojam2
Scumleans: crazycrabman
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Post Post #75 (isolation #23) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:11 am

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Let's go here

VOTE: crazycrabman
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Post Post #106 (isolation #24) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 9:57 am

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Dwlee Dwlee Dwlee
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Post Post #108 (isolation #25) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 10:00 am

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In post 83, tojam2 wrote: Sorry, I'm really tired right now as I've just got back from a shooting competition (and no I didn't win any medals).
I understand, being scum is tiring.
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Post Post #109 (isolation #26) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 10:02 am

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SirCakez, I disagree.
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Post Post #110 (isolation #27) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 10:03 am

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You should see who's trying to pose like town.
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Post Post #112 (isolation #28) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 10:07 am

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Your example.
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Post Post #114 (isolation #29) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 10:12 am

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I don't want to be discriminated for making short posts.
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Post Post #116 (isolation #30) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 10:16 am

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In that case I agree, but I don't see scum fluffposting nowadays.

I'd be surprised if scum weren't posting once in a blueb moon a lenghty noise post.
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Post Post #120 (isolation #31) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:02 am

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eageSnake, did you find any scum?
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Post Post #123 (isolation #32) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:10 am

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Let's help crazycrabman make a case on someone.
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Post Post #128 (isolation #33) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:30 am

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It isn't, but congratulations anyway.

UNVOTE: crazycrabman
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Post Post #130 (isolation #34) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:37 am

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Your post 127 has a townslip, can you say that?
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Post Post #132 (isolation #35) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:07 pm

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123 isn't a reaction test, it's supposed to be interpretated as "crazy is trying to make a case"
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Post Post #134 (isolation #36) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:36 pm

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I'll wait to see if others noticed your townslip before explaining.
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Post Post #135 (isolation #37) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:37 pm

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For now,

VOTE: tojam2
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Post Post #136 (isolation #38) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:38 pm

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Pay attention to the votes, if you're putting the 4th vote, you should announce it's L-1.

If it's L-1, don't place another vote before we're open to.

(wished Zaicon were more active)
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Post Post #138 (isolation #39) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:50 pm

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It's a townslip for a different reason.
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Post Post #140 (isolation #40) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 1:01 pm

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Because he's being extremely scummy by being inactive which could mean he's scum afraid of us and also by PoE.
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Post Post #142 (isolation #41) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 1:04 pm

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In post 127, crazycrabman wrote:That almost sounds like a
scum PM
you accidentally put in the forum.
Here's the townslip (bolded).

He thinks scum communicates between themselves through private messages (PM). If he were scum, he would notice scum actually uses private topics and most likely wouldn't say "scum PM"
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Post Post #144 (isolation #42) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 1:08 pm

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If we wait the game won't proceed.
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Post Post #145 (isolation #43) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 1:09 pm

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I'm way more ahead of all of you.

My townblock consists of atm487, crazycrabman, Dwlee99 and SirCakez.

If I include myself, there will have 5 likely town players and 4 potential scum candidates.
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Post Post #147 (isolation #44) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 1:28 pm

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Find it funny the main reason you suspect me is for being active and aggressive. My scumgame is totally the opposite.
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Post Post #149 (isolation #45) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 1:29 pm

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If you've played Newbie 1703 you would have me as your towniest vibe.
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Post Post #150 (isolation #46) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 1:31 pm

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atm487 strikes me town because his posts/votes don't fit scum's, scum are usually more hesitant and afraid.

Dwlee99 is a gut feeling, a good gut feeling.

This looks like the town!SirCakez I've played with rather than the scum!SirCakez.
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Post Post #151 (isolation #47) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 1:34 pm

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eagerSnake's recent posts strike town for me, but I am not very confident on him being town, his questions can still come from scum. Also, I believe he played IRC mafia, so he isn't that newbie.

Dragon of the West was quite a townlean, his votes seemed town at least, but I am quite null on him now.

So it leaves you (LicketyQuickety) and Tojam2.
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Post Post #152 (isolation #48) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 1:35 pm

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Your posts seem like coming from scum trying to push a case on someone and at the same time stay at a town spot.
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Post Post #153 (isolation #49) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 1:50 pm

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Hi Dwlee99

We found both scum
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Post Post #155 (isolation #50) » Sun Jun 12, 2016 1:53 pm

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*trying to pull a case
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Post Post #167 (isolation #51) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:31 am

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Not so sure.
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Post Post #169 (isolation #52) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:36 am

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He's townier than Tojam, LQ and DotW.
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Post Post #172 (isolation #53) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:49 am

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Btw, if I am right about Tojam2 and LQ being scum, play another newbie game, this wasn't a good enjoyable experience.

So many lack of engagements and activity.
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Post Post #176 (isolation #54) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:25 am

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"newbscum slip" lol
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Post Post #196 (isolation #55) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:45 am

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It still looks like a genuine slip.

When I said scum PM, I was referring to his role, not mafia chat.

crazycrabman confused the "scum PM" as the mafia chat, which I don't think he would if he was one.
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Post Post #198 (isolation #56) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:50 am

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I'm a waste of investigation.
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Post Post #200 (isolation #57) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:54 am

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UNVOTE: tojam2

I am going to unvote for now, I dislike DotW's pop in.
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Post Post #201 (isolation #58) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:56 am

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In post 199, tojam2 wrote:And I also don't trust you, you easily could have been buddying with CCM.
lmao
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Post Post #202 (isolation #59) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:57 am

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Not fan of how you and LQ are trying to doubtcast CCM's townslip, "you easily could have been buddying with LQ"

Also, your post sounded like you know I am town.
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Post Post #211 (isolation #60) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:20 am

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tojam2 is pretty scum, but I find it too early to lynch.

I am most likely leaning on LQ as tojam2's scumbuddy, but I don't want this game to be so easy.

DotW and atm487 are worth taking a look at imo.
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Post Post #214 (isolation #61) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:21 am

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In post 209, Dragon of the West wrote:In my mind there are 3 things this could be: 1) creature honestly believes this to be an affirmative townslip, 2) creature is trying to make crazy sound town as his partner, 3) creature knows that crazy is town because creature is mafia and creating an accurate town read gives creature more credibility
Congratulations, you narrowed it down to nothing!
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Post Post #215 (isolation #62) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:23 am

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In post 206, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 44, Creature wrote:tojam2 noticed he got a scum PM with so few newbies around and ran away.
In post 202, Creature wrote:Not fan of how you and LQ are trying to doubtcast CCM's townslip, "you easily could have been buddying with LQ"

Also, your post sounded like you know I am town.
Honestly I find it interesting that it was just coincidence that crazy "derp cleared" himself by using terminology that you have (loosely) used.
Or crazycrabman could've noticed me mentioning "scum PM" and thought mafia communicate between themselves through "scum PM"
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Post Post #222 (isolation #63) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:29 am

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idk, maybe we can just lynch tojam2, LQ and DotW in that order.

I doubt anyone else is scum.
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Post Post #224 (isolation #64) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:30 am

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LQ, tojam2 and DotW doubtcasting/discrediting my reads makes me feel I got all my town reads right.
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Post Post #227 (isolation #65) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:32 am

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Nvm, I can't determine what tojam2 is trying to do.
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Post Post #229 (isolation #66) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:34 am

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In post 226, LicketyQuickety wrote:That is just not smart at all.
Yeah, you need to keep your mislynch options open apparently.
Why are you lining up lynches?
Because I am confident on them.
Why that order?
It doesn't have to be in that order, maybe if you stop trying to discredit my reads I might change the order.
Why are you so confident in your reads on like day 4?
Why are you ignoring my reasoning posts?
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Post Post #232 (isolation #67) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:37 am

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In post 231, Dragon of the West wrote:Because creature has been
quietly pushing
to make me seem like scum
but I haven't seen anyone else suggest that or agree with it
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Post Post #234 (isolation #68) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:42 am

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Well, I am considering you a VI right now seeing DotW's obviously faked post .
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Post Post #239 (isolation #69) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:47 am

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In post 237, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 234, Creature wrote:Well, I am considering you a VI right now seeing DotW's obviously faked post .
You said he was Sus because of the L-1 vote correct? Explain how you got that he was VI based on 231.
I am saying you're a VI.
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Post Post #242 (isolation #70) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:48 am

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In post 235, Dwlee99 wrote:What about it is faked?
He said I was
quietly
pushing him to make him look like he's scum, which is wrong, I've been
openly
pushing.

He thinks I am scum because nobody else has the same feeling.

It's obviously a made-up case.
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Post Post #261 (isolation #71) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 6:57 am

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Bussing is possible, the question is why would I stall the wagon like this if I am tom's buddy?
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Post Post #262 (isolation #72) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 7:02 am

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Hello SirCakez, how's the day going?
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Post Post #264 (isolation #73) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 7:18 am

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Stall the lynch because we didn't get many reads.

By not knowing what Tom is doing was me backing away from what's supposed to be tojam2 discrediting me (I think).
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Post Post #266 (isolation #74) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 7:24 am

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In post 224, Creature wrote:LQ,
tojam2
and DotW
doubtcasting/discrediting my reads
makes me feel I got all my town reads right.
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Post Post #270 (isolation #75) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 7:29 am

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I don't remember backing away one of my town reads.
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Post Post #272 (isolation #76) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 7:30 am

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In post 271, Dragon of the West wrote:Tom is tojam in my book. And yes he was but I was the L-1 vote and then creature unvoted pretty quickly taking away the risk
of a quickhammer.
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Post Post #276 (isolation #77) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 7:34 am

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Not yet, atm and Cakez should get more involved.
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Post Post #280 (isolation #78) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 7:37 am

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Don't worry, we're lynching tojam2 today, but we still have plenty of time to discuss about tojam2's partner.
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Post Post #283 (isolation #79) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 7:41 am

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SirCakez uses lurking!

-5 Town HP!
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Post Post #301 (isolation #80) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:13 am

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Nah, he's at L-2
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Post Post #302 (isolation #81) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:14 am

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I don't think we'll get cold feet to lynch tojam2, he's not trying to help himself.
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Post Post #311 (isolation #82) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 9:41 am

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Everybody is engaged enough except atm487, SirCakez and tojam2.
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Post Post #312 (isolation #83) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 9:42 am

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Also, I am seeing SirCakez lurking, does it mean SirCakez is on his scum game?
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Post Post #321 (isolation #84) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:30 am

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In post 320, LicketyQuickety wrote:Creature on the other hand, has a shitty tone.
I have an obvtown tone and I don't understand how you don't think that.
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Post Post #325 (isolation #85) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:43 am

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LicketyQuickety

What page are you at?

It sounds like you're trying to pull a mislynch on me then say my reads mean nothing at all.
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Post Post #338 (isolation #86) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 1:15 pm

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In post 334, eagerSnake wrote:Creature what are your top 4 possible scum combinations?
Tojam2 + LQ
Tojam2 + DotW
Tojam2 + SirCakez
SirCakez + ??
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Post Post #340 (isolation #87) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 1:19 pm

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idk

I don't think DotW would have such a strong town read on his buddy.
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Post Post #344 (isolation #88) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 1:24 pm

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That's why.

The typical newbscum is afraid of making it obvious who scum are.
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Post Post #468 (isolation #89) » Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:09 am

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If you want help sorting eagerSnake, he's town, along CCM and Dwlee.
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Post Post #469 (isolation #90) » Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:10 am

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crazycrabman, Dwlee99, eagersnake
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atm487
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SirCakez
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Dragon of the West
LicketyQuickety
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Post Post #471 (isolation #91) » Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:12 am

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Do you think atm487 can be put along CCM, Dwlee and eager?
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Post Post #472 (isolation #92) » Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:12 am

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His posts sound newbtown.
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Post Post #474 (isolation #93) » Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:24 am

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What about Dwlee99?
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Post Post #479 (isolation #94) » Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:34 am

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In post 476, tojam2 wrote:If you want me out
I wil self-hammer
, but
voting IC Day 1
isn't a good plan.
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Post Post #481 (isolation #95) » Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:35 am

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He seems pretty town for me.
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Post Post #484 (isolation #96) » Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:40 am

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Well, I don't think we need to stall until the last minute, but we don't need to hammer halfway the day.
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Post Post #485 (isolation #97) » Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:41 am

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I don't feel safe strong town reading SirCakez yet, I feel like he was more engaged in Newbie 1696 (and asked more weird questions there).
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Post Post #510 (isolation #98) » Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:02 pm

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Since everybody is giving their readlists, I am posting mine.

Town: crazycrabman, Dwlee99, eagerSnake
Townleans: atm487, Dragon of the West, SirCakez
Scumleans: LicketyQuickety, tojam2
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Post Post #518 (isolation #99) » Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:18 pm

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I am not sure if LQ is the kind of scum that would white-knight his scum buddy (tojam2) so weak like this.
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Post Post #536 (isolation #100) » Thu Jun 16, 2016 12:12 am

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In post 535, LicketyQuickety wrote:granted I really think the IC should participate more because this 1-2 posts a day is pretty ridiculous for this game.
I am debating whether or not I should take the pressure off the IC a while, but I would expect town under this pressure try something rather than stay inactive like this.
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Post Post #539 (isolation #101) » Thu Jun 16, 2016 1:42 am

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I think he already gave up lol
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Post Post #541 (isolation #102) » Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:05 am

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Btw, who should post the IC wall since tojam2 isn't doing it?
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Post Post #547 (isolation #103) » Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:23 am

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Well, let's wait until tonight. If we notice he came online from this post until tonight but hasn't posted anything, we hammer.
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Post Post #549 (isolation #104) » Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:27 am

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Okay, then.
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Post Post #551 (isolation #105) » Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:35 am

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Here's an IC wall by Accountant (newbie 1688) for those who want:

Spoiler:

Hi, I’m Accountant, your friendly neighbourhood Inexperience-Challenged player, or IC. This means that I have a few games under my belt, so I know the ins and outs of mafia and can show you the ropes. For those of you who hate reading long rants, or have read a similar post already, check out the link:
A Beginner’s Guide to Being Awesome At Mafia
Anyway, as the IC, it’s my job to teach you theory concepts, which means I will never lie about theory questions. When I answer those questions, I will be typing in this color (red), so you know I’m wearing my IC hat and not my <insert alignment here> hat.
Before we start the game proper, I’d like to cover a few key concepts.


Hammering, Lynching and L-1

When the number of votes on a player exceeds half the number of players for that game, that player is lynched
instantly
and the Day ends. For example, we have 9 players. If that means the hammer is 5, so if there were to be 5 votes on someone, that player would be lynched. Do not recklessly hammer, especially early in the game, or you’ll risk accidentally lynching town members and cutting short discussion time.
The concept of L-X is used to indicate how many votes a player is to hammer. L-1 means 1 vote to hammer, L-2 means 2 votes to hammer and so forth. So for this game, if someone were to get 4 votes, they would be at L-1. When you place the vote that puts someone at L-1(for example, if someone has 3 votes and you’re putting the 4th vote down, with a hammer of 5), you should usually announce it with a statement like “He’s at L-1”, so people don’t accidentally hammer. Even more importantly, it means that mafia can’t hammer a town member and then claim ignorance the next day.
If someone is at L-1 and you want to hammer him, you should usually state “intent to hammer”, which means “I want to lynch you”. When you do this, you can also ask for a role claim. That way, if the player is a power role being mislynched, he can claim before you place the hammering vote, and thus save himself.


LyLo

LyLo is the shortened form of a phrase which means “lynch or lose”. The simplest form of LyLo is 3 players, 2 of whom are vanilla townies and the last being a mafia goon. Then, it’s easy to see that if they do not lynch, the mafia goon will kill one of them at night, stalemating the lynch the next day, and killing the last town member on Night 2 – although the mod will usually recognize this and end the game early instead of dragging it out.
When town is in LyLo, it’s important not to carelessly vote like you would on any other day, because of the potential for a mafia coordinated hammer(a “quickhammer”, happening before anyone else can react). Let’s say we have LyLo with 3 Vanilla Townies and 2 Mafia Goons. One of the vanilla townie carelessly puts his vote on another VT. This allows the two mafia goons to instantly rush in and simultaneously vote that VT, bringing his vote count to 3 in a game of 5 players, which is a hammer and loss for the town.
It’s good practice to try to recognize LyLo situations when you see them, but in Newbie games a more experienced player will usually point out that it’s LyLo and caution people from recklessly voting. Learning how to deal with LyLo is a very important part of playing mafia, and it comes up more often than you might think.


RVS

We are currently in the RVS, or Random Voting Stage. As none of us has any idea who is mafia(well, except the mafia members themselves, but they’re hardly going to admit it), we’re mostly poking around and slinging votes like hot curry at a food fight, trying to provoke reactions, start a discussion and basically probe around to try and determine player’s alignments.
As it is the
Random
Voting Stage, it’s common for players to vote for very silly reasons, such as “your avatar is ugly” or “your username has too many numbers in it”. Don’t worry, they don’t have a grudge against you or anything. It’s just part of RVS. Without RVS, it would be a lot harder to get the game moving.


Conclusion

Thank you for joining this newbie game, and I hope that all of us will have fun playing, win or lose. If you have any questions at all, feel free to ask me. I’m an IC, so it’s my job to be active and respond to questions from newer players. I live in Singapore, which makes my timezone GMT+8, so don’t be surprised if I answer in the middle of the night or appear to be inactive at high noon(I’m probably sleeping).

Have fun and good luck!


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Post Post #552 (isolation #106) » Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:37 am

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So now we should wait.
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Post Post #554 (isolation #107) » Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:41 am

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Here are some chemical equations to pass the time:
a) _ Al2O3 + _ HCl → _ AlCl3 + _ H2O
b) _ SO2 + _ NaOH → _ Na2SO3 + _ H2O
c) _ BaO4 + _ HNO3 → _ Ba(NO3)2 + _ H2O2 + _ O2
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Post Post #555 (isolation #108) » Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:42 am

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In post 553, Dwlee99 wrote:pedit I mean we can consider who tojam's partner is.
Then a meta question, do you think LQ whiteknights his partner like this as scum?
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Post Post #556 (isolation #109) » Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:49 am

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Sometimes I feel LQ has been treating me as town despite highly scum reading me.
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Post Post #560 (isolation #110) » Thu Jun 16, 2016 3:17 am

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In post 233, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 227, Creature wrote:Nvm, I can't determine what tojam2 is trying to do.
And now you are backing away from the read. *pukes*

P-Edit:
you clearly are not confident of your reads.
The fact that you back out of your read on tom is evidence of this. And why exactly do I need to agree with your reads? You are not confirmed town (far from it) so to say that because I don't agree with your reads means I am scum is a complete wtf.

P-Edit: Dwlee, I have and been both right and wrong on them.
In post 323, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 321, Creature wrote:
In post 320, LicketyQuickety wrote:Creature on the other hand, has a shitty tone.
I have an obvtown tone and I don't understand how you don't think that.
No, you have a sneaky tone. I can honestly say
if you are town you are a detriment to town.
Here's some reasons why:

Your reaction tests:
Your first one was out of this world terrible, which is reason to suspect you on its own.
Reaction tests are suppose to be subtly, not blatantly ridiculous.

Your contradictions:
Saying you are confident in your read on tojam who had like 3(?) 4 posts at the time and then later saying "yeah, not really sure on tojam."

Your Wifom potential:
The way you are going about it does absolutely nothing to advance town, it just creates confusion. So Even if you are just doing reaction test after reaction test, it gets town nowhere because even if you are town and even if you have good reads, unless you actually stick to those reads, people never know if they should take your reads serious or not.

An updated reads list would be nice right about now.
In post 333, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 332, eagerSnake wrote:I really can't agree with Creature being scum with tojam... who would the alternative scum team be?
fwiw, I find them being teamed unlikely. But tbh,
they are both not exactly what I would call the pinnacle of good play.
(not saying I am.)
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Post Post #565 (isolation #111) » Thu Jun 16, 2016 3:43 am

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What timezone are you from?

I am from -3.00
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Post Post #567 (isolation #112) » Thu Jun 16, 2016 3:45 am

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In post 566, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 561, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 559, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 558, Dwlee99 wrote:Regardless of associatives LQ is definitely next on my scum list.
OK, but why?
youre scummy m9
I'm always scummy. Try again.
You're scum.
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Post Post #570 (isolation #113) » Thu Jun 16, 2016 3:56 am

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They must have flu.
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Post Post #574 (isolation #114) » Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:01 am

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If that's the case, then LQ is actually a cult leader.
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Post Post #582 (isolation #115) » Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:26 am

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If tojam was town he would try to actually contribute, not post once in a blue moon and hope we change the wagon to someone else.
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Post Post #586 (isolation #116) » Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:54 am

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In post 554, Creature wrote:Here are some chemical equations to pass the time:
a) _ Al2O3 + _ HCl → _ AlCl3 + _ H2O
b) _ SO2 + _ NaOH → _ Na2SO3 + _ H2O
c) _ BaO4 + _ HNO3 → _ Ba(NO3)2 + _ H2O2 + _ O2
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Post Post #587 (isolation #117) » Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:54 am

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Or if you're so worried to look useful:
In post 553, Dwlee99 wrote:pedit I mean we can consider who tojam's partner is.
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Post Post #591 (isolation #118) » Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:58 am

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If scum are tojam2 and SirCakez, I think they should've tried harder.
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Post Post #620 (isolation #119) » Thu Jun 16, 2016 5:32 am

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tojam2

What do you think about the others?
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Post Post #694 (isolation #120) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:25 am

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Scum did a good job narrowing down my scumpects, I was getting paranoid of SirCakez.
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Post Post #695 (isolation #121) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:25 am

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I think everyone's engaged enough now (except atm487), so there's no excuse to null read someone.
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Post Post #696 (isolation #122) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:27 am

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Btw, I don't think we should analyze the NK, I think scum was PR hunting or at worst (or best) trying to throw WIFOM.
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Post Post #697 (isolation #123) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:28 am

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I still feel CCM, Dwlee99 and eagerSnake are pretty much town, so that leaves LQ, DotW and atm487.
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Post Post #698 (isolation #124) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:28 am

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VOTE: atm487
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Post Post #700 (isolation #125) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:31 am

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idk

I am not the one PR hunting.
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Post Post #702 (isolation #126) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:33 am

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but I think the ideal play for scum is to PR hunt so they don't kill someone based on their reads and give town info.
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Post Post #703 (isolation #127) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:34 am

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SirCakez was also a low-info target, so I don't think scum killed based on reads.
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Post Post #705 (isolation #128) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:36 am

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I don't think we're getting info on who would've killed SirCakez, I am imagining a lot of reasons SirCakez would be the kill.
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Post Post #707 (isolation #129) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:38 am

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Why? Some newbscum actually go after ICs/SEs because of their experience.
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Post Post #709 (isolation #130) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:41 am

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We don't need to NKA anyway, we have a bunch of posts to make a solid read.
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Post Post #712 (isolation #131) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:45 am

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I am currently going to stick my vote on atm487 because I feel DotW and LQ aren't scum together, most likely because:
1. They would try to have different opinions rather than attacking me and my reads.
2. I am getting a slim town feeling on both, but I must be wrong in one of them.
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Post Post #714 (isolation #132) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:49 am

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I wouldn't use NKA to see who would kill X, but I would analyse X's interactions with others as I know they're town.
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Post Post #719 (isolation #133) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 4:10 am

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Look at who was whiteknighting/townreading SirCakez and look for fights that look TvS (or TvT) where SirCakez is involved.
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Post Post #722 (isolation #134) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 4:18 am

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but we shouldn't focus on it.
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Post Post #726 (isolation #135) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 4:46 am

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In post 724, eagerSnake wrote:
In post 719, Creature wrote:Look at who was whiteknighting/townreading SirCakez and look for fights that look TvS (or TvT) where SirCakez is involved.
How can you tell what is TvT and what is TvS?
It's not that hard to tell.

TvT fights usually have both argumenting themselves about something, but they eventually back away when they realise the fight is usuless.

When TvS fights usually have one of the argumenters still scum reading the other but dismissing the fight. In that case, any of the argumenters can be scum.

SvS fights are also frequent as scum wants to distance themselves, but they're easier to determine if you see at least one of the argumenters reading too much (usually scum can see more scummy things in their scumbuddy than town does).
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Post Post #728 (isolation #136) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 4:50 am

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If that's the case we can't do anything.
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Post Post #730 (isolation #137) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 5:00 am

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I don't think SirCakez even had a decent fight with someone.
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Post Post #736 (isolation #138) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 8:13 am

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"usually"
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Post Post #737 (isolation #139) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 8:14 am

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Though, that isn't something to be proud about, that means you're either:
- Convinced I am scum
- Scum using confbias

If you're none of these, maybe you should take another look.
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Post Post #740 (isolation #140) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 8:59 am

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So we all should vote you?
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Post Post #742 (isolation #141) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 9:41 am

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But why are you trying to guess my reasoning to vote you?
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Post Post #744 (isolation #142) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:03 am

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I voted you mostly by PoE. I feel confident CCM, Dwlee and eager are all town. I also thought LQ and DotW weren't scum together, so the possibilities most pointed on you being scum. Also I wanted to engage you.
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Post Post #750 (isolation #143) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 11:49 am

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No read on atm487?
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Post Post #768 (isolation #144) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 1:43 pm

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VOTE: LicketyQuickety

Sorry, this doesn't look like a gambit.
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Post Post #771 (isolation #145) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 1:49 pm

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But we got a guilty on you.
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Post Post #772 (isolation #146) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 1:50 pm

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In post 770, eagerSnake wrote:Why would Creature apologize for voting someone he believes is scum?
About the gambit.
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Post Post #774 (isolation #147) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 1:54 pm

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CCM got a guilty on him.
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Post Post #776 (isolation #148) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 1:59 pm

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2 votes (me and CCM)
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Post Post #778 (isolation #149) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 2:01 pm

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Feeling confident it's either LQ and DotW or LQ and atm487.
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Post Post #779 (isolation #150) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 2:02 pm

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Oh right, I think LQ is tempted to self-hammer.

UNVOTE: LicketyQuickety
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Post Post #781 (isolation #151) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 2:04 pm

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In post 749, LicketyQuickety wrote:Reads List:

Town:
crazycrabman
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Town Lean:
eagerSnakes

Null:
atm487
DotW


Scum Lean:
Dwlee
I think LQ put his scumbuddy in the null spot to avoid associations.
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Post Post #787 (isolation #152) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 2:10 pm

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In post 783, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 781, Creature wrote:
In post 749, LicketyQuickety wrote:Reads List:

Town:
crazycrabman
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Town Lean:
eagerSnakes

Null:
atm487
DotW


Scum Lean:
Dwlee
I think LQ put his scumbuddy in the null spot to avoid associations.
Or, ya' know I just have them as Null as Town.
The problem is that CCM hasn't backed away his guilty on you.
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Post Post #788 (isolation #153) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 2:11 pm

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eagerSnake

What's happening with you?
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Post Post #791 (isolation #154) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 2:14 pm

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LicketyQuickety

Result?
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Post Post #794 (isolation #155) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 2:15 pm

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In post 790, eagerSnake wrote:
In post 788, Creature wrote:
eagerSnake

What's happening with you?
What do you mean?
The way you started accusing me.
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Post Post #796 (isolation #156) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 2:15 pm

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In post 793, eagerSnake wrote:
In post 791, Creature wrote:
LicketyQuickety

Result?
You should already know the result...
I know, but I want him to state it.
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Post Post #797 (isolation #157) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 2:17 pm

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Well, I noticed your change on me, the problem is that I also noticed CCM's chance on you.
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Post Post #801 (isolation #158) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 2:21 pm

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Didn't you notice him attacking me most of the D1?
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Post Post #805 (isolation #159) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 2:28 pm

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Well, we can wait everyone "react" first.

Then we force CCM to say if he was either serious or not.

If he was serious, then we're going to start questioning both cop claims and try to lynch the correct one.

If he wasn't, then we're going to lynch atm487 or DotW.
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Post Post #809 (isolation #160) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 2:30 pm

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Okay then, first, I would like to know if any of you breadcrumbed cop D1.
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Post Post #812 (isolation #161) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 2:31 pm

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If we mislynch we're losing a cop and I am most likely getting nightkilled, so let's try to not mislynch.
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Post Post #818 (isolation #162) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 2:35 pm

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Guess it'll be more complicated.
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Post Post #819 (isolation #163) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 2:35 pm

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Going to wait until tomorrow.
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Post Post #822 (isolation #164) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 2:47 pm

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I think LQ investigating me makes more sense than CCM investigating LQ.
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Post Post #823 (isolation #165) » Sun Jun 19, 2016 2:50 pm

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In post 420, crazycrabman wrote:I am very open to change but currently:
town {Dwlee}
townlean {DotW, Creature}
null {eagersnake, Sircakez, LQ}
scumlean {atm}
scum {tojam}

This could all change in a heartbeat if Tojam is found to be town. If that happens:

town {}
townlean {}
null {eagersnake, Sircakez, DotW}
scumlean {Creature, LQ}
scum {Dwlee}
In post 422, crazycrabman wrote:Put LQ in the townlean on the second one
In post 523, crazycrabman wrote:Ok, so here's my spiel before the night.

If Tojam Is Scum

Town: {Creature, Dwlee}
Townlean: {Sircakez}
Null: {LQ, Atm}
Scumlean: {eagersnakes, Dotw}
Scum: {}

If Tojam is Town

Town:{}
Townlean:{Creature, Dwlee, DotW}
Null:{Sircakez, LQ, Atm}
Scumlean:{eagersnakes}
Scum:{}

This is all going off vibes because vibes are all we got, besides the nightkill. I include in the "vibes" category things like post content, length, frequency, and wording. Vibes and the nightkill, when used together, are all we need to find the scum, if we feel deep enough. I'll work on a post about possible teams after the night, if we are indeed lynching tojam withing the next few days.
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Post Post #900 (isolation #166) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:07 am

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I still find LQ's reason to investigate me better than CCM's reason.
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Post Post #901 (isolation #167) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:08 am

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But I find it weird that if CCM is scum, he:
- Decided to leave his warm spot to make the cop out and try to lynch him.
- Managed to guess who's the cop.
- Postured as cop perfectly D2.
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Post Post #902 (isolation #168) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:09 am

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If CCM is the real scum, the only possible partner I can see is Dwlee99.
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Post Post #905 (isolation #169) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:17 am

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So we lynch LQ today:

If he flips scum, we lynch atm487 and DotW (preferably in that order).
If he flips cop, we lynch CCM tomorrow and Dwlee99 next day.

What do you think?
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Post Post #906 (isolation #170) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:18 am

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In post 904, eagerSnake wrote:Not that I agree with your reasoning, FTR. I think you should've investigated who you thought was the most scummy
I disagree, you should give preference to who you're having difficulty to read but that gives a lot of information.
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Post Post #908 (isolation #171) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:25 am

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Associative tells

And I am asking you and anyone besides LQ and CCM.
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Post Post #911 (isolation #172) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:33 am

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In post 909, eagerSnake wrote:
In post 893, eagerSnake wrote:If we lynch LQ and he is Mafia Goon, then could a roleblocker still roleblock AND kill if he is the only mafia member left alive?
Did anyone answer this yet?
Yes, but if there's a roleblocker it means there's a doctor too.

Either way I would want a doctor because we can win by tomorrow.
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Post Post #914 (isolation #173) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:35 am

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Well, but the roleblocker can roleblock AND kill in the same night here.
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Post Post #916 (isolation #174) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:42 am

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But I don't think we'll need to worry much about it.

I feel pretty confident the game is solved even without the N2 cop investigation.
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Post Post #919 (isolation #175) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:45 am

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Yeah, you should help your partner have a quicklynch.
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Post Post #921 (isolation #176) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 5:52 am

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Yes, he is.

Just wondering, is any of you a roleblocker? If yes, who?
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Post Post #924 (isolation #177) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 6:02 am

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What kind of game you like?
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Post Post #925 (isolation #178) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 6:07 am

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Btw, do you think we can get past 1597 posts?
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Post Post #926 (isolation #179) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 6:09 am

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26 pages of D1, 12 pages of D2, the two lowest posters dead, I think we have a chance.
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Post Post #928 (isolation #180) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 6:15 am

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Correct and sure.
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Post Post #929 (isolation #181) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 6:15 am

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but yeah, I feel confident in my reads, but I am trying to push this game anyway.
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Post Post #931 (isolation #182) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 6:25 am

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I don't care either, but I like to make it more interesting anyway.
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Post Post #932 (isolation #183) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 6:26 am

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I'll wait to see what others think, but I am hammering tonight.
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Post Post #934 (isolation #184) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 6:27 am

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DotW's style of posting fits scum more, but at the same time I feel like he's town.
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Post Post #935 (isolation #185) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 6:28 am

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In post 933, eagerSnake wrote:How has my play been this game?
If you're town, it was great.

If you're scum, congratulations.
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Post Post #936 (isolation #186) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 6:29 am

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It's hard to get a read on atm487, sometimes it feels like he's trying to look like a confuse town, but sometimes he looks like a confuse town.
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Post Post #937 (isolation #187) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 6:29 am

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If LQ flips scum, should we start by lynching atm487 or DotW?
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Post Post #938 (isolation #188) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 6:29 am

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Btw, I must go now, see you later.
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Post Post #960 (isolation #189) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 9:26 am

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I guess that's a scumclaim then.
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Post Post #961 (isolation #190) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 9:26 am

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1597 posts is the newbie with most posts hosted by Zaicon.
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Post Post #962 (isolation #191) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 9:27 am

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Wait, did atm487 scumclaimed seriously?
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Post Post #963 (isolation #192) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 9:28 am

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(not that it has much point since we're lynching him tomorrow anyway, but I am curious)
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Post Post #966 (isolation #193) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 9:42 am

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I guess we wait then.
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Post Post #967 (isolation #194) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 9:43 am

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Interesting game though.
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Post Post #969 (isolation #195) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 9:56 am

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I think we made this way more rushed.
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Post Post #970 (isolation #196) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 9:56 am

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Most of the games I've watched are huge wallpost parties, they're boring and slow the game down, specially when you don't have much to say.
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Post Post #972 (isolation #197) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 10:03 am

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I am currently joining Summer mafia, but you need to have 2 completed games on-site.
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Post Post #973 (isolation #198) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 10:04 am

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I also plan on joining the GOT and White vs Dark theme games, but I think they're quite complex.
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Post Post #974 (isolation #199) » Mon Jun 20, 2016 10:04 am

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I recommend you the mini normal.

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