Mini 1805 [C'est fini!]

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Crazycrab
Consider yourself sheeped

[Dwlee99]

Town {Derek12}
Null {Everyone else}
Scum {Eggman, Crazy}

[Dwlee99]

Town {Derek12}
Null {Everyone else}
Scum {Eggman, Crazy}








Very scum {Dragon of the West}
VOTE: Dragon
@Derek sheep me
pedit can we not rsq with stupid questions please? thanksss

[Dwlee99]

Okay so scum team is dragon, crazy and eggman. Thoughts?

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Robbnva
Actually 100% serious this person is probably scum
pedit creature wtf I used brackets last game we played..

[Dwlee99]

derek update your vote yours is outdated

[Dwlee99]

Cant tell if creature is being serious or naw.

ladhst

vote this please

[Dwlee99]

The only magic word I know is actually three words: Very buttery popcorn
So..
vote robbnva very buttery popcorn?

[Dwlee99]

yayyyy

[Dwlee99]

idek what ladhst is?
But Im going to remind myself your attempt at calling me scummy for "trying too hard" is because youre scum

[Dwlee99]

First Thoughts: 'Damn 3 pages already this game is hella active'
*reads the game*
3 people engaged in small chat... :\


VOTE: Creature
Somewhat serious vote, not entirely RVS. There's absolutely no way you're getting a town read from the very first post a person makes in the game. If you could I'd just copy/paste that post everywhere I went as scum and you'd be none the wiser. Possible that Creature is buddying, I don't like how he talks about 'early town activity' or some shit like that as if he's trying to seem a part of it.

Idk what your and robbnva's problem is with early town reads is?? "Oh it can be easily faked", great? Like wow we have some weak town reads it isnt going to determine our read on someone for the entire game?
Everytime someone says someone is town read for *blank* I might as well say that it could be "easily faked". Assuming things are easily faked and that scum are playing optimally is stupid af and there is no point in even playing if everyone played optimally.
How many games exactly do you have across all of your alts, robbnva?
@Eggman I hate RQS and want to lynch all who use it because asking people what their favorite dessert is just lets scum hide by answering those pointless questions.

[Dwlee99]

So Robbnva agrees we are out of rvs yet..

1. Has trashed those with town reads
   
2. Has no scum reads

nice

[Dwlee99]

Chores and then iso analysis of robbnva

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So you dont have any reads on

anyone

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Not even

a little

[Dwlee99]

How many games exactly do you have across all of your alts, robbnva?

About 135 give or take a couple.

dang

[Dwlee99]

I remember you saying that you had no scum reads?

[Dwlee99]

And like right there you were saying no one should have town reads or scum reads?

[Dwlee99]

So Robbnva agrees we are out of rvs yet..

1. Has trashed those with town reads
   
2. Has no scum reads

nice

Nobody really should have either at this point. It's too early to get strong reads

[Dwlee99]

I also want your response to what I was saying in 66

[Dwlee99]

Everytime someone says someone is town read for *blank* I might as well say that it could be "easily faked".

Here's the thing. Most players see actions like being pro-active as a town tell. Smart scum notice these things and adapt because the point of the game as scum is to be town read as best as they can.

That's why some scum like to end Rvs as soon as possible because that's usually considered a town tell and people who prolong it are usually looked at suspicious.

Trying to start an Rvs wagon on somebody is easily the most common way to end Rvs. Now I can't say I've ever used that myself, I have seen scum do it.

People always lecture me at "looking at motives" and imo those early pushes didn't feel natural to me, they felt forced in an attempt the end Rvs instead of letting it progress naturally. That's why I don't see those actions as necessary town motivated. I also question people who do because it should be questioned.

Now back to creature. The post he made about not going to vote them for the remainder of the game rubbed me the wrong way. Nobody was accusing him of that and it felt out of place. If he were town I would think he would be more confident in his own opinions and wouldn't be rattled by somebody else's.

Okay I can see where youre coming from, although I disagree on some things regarding whether or not someone can be townread for things (Like the specific way they pushed early can be alignment indicative not necessarily that they pushed)
Onto creature, though, I think that his post was kind of warranted. The angle you were taking was that it was "dangerous" for creature to be town reading people early which was responded to by creature as it not being a big deal as it wasnt a firm unshakable town read he would have the whole game.
pedit mild suspicion is considered a scum lean which is still a read. As long as it isnt null it is some sort of read.

[Dwlee99]

ladhst

[Dwlee99]

Im bad at buttons. Can you explain what that means?

[Dwlee99]

oh. Why are you coming up with acronyms how am I supposed to figure that out

[Dwlee99]

Guess we will agree to disagree cause mild suspicion just means they are on my radar but haven't seen enough to develop a scum read and rightfully so. Nobody has done anything this game that you can point to and say OMG he's totally scum.

Eh whatever semantics blahblah but people have done things. one sec

[Dwlee99]

Hello, everyone! General question: what's your favorite dessert?
VOTE: Creature (I won't lurk this time if you don't.)

Town {Derek12}
Null {Everyone else}
Scum {Eggman, Crazy, Robbnva}

Dwlee: Why us in particular?

This

We have someone saying some stuff about creature lurking and then pretty much lurking and then their only attempt to do anything is to ask why Im scum reading them which is just wow
VOTE: Eggman
Moving my vote here cause I think robbnva would probably be doing what theyre doing as either alignment.

[Dwlee99]

First time I have heard of LAMIST and I have 40+ games on site. That will be useful I guess lol

[Dwlee99]

Thoughts on eggman if you are like me and continue to.check mafia when you go to bed?

[Dwlee99]

Even though some people failed the basic reading test to properly confirm, I'm going to start the day regardless. Good luck people! (.. especially those unconfirmed)

clearly it will be a while until everyone posts

[Dwlee99]

See you

could

vote fox or you could vote eggman.

[Dwlee99]

Actually yea fox's post was garbage feel free to vote that.

[Dwlee99]

We'll see where these take us. For now Im sticking with eggman.

[Dwlee99]

Yes, my post was so garbage because I RLed a lurker in my first post of the game while you were all shitposting for 4 pages. *claps slowly*

wtf
You think that we're still in rvs and all of that was shit posting? What

[Dwlee99]

Idiot tell not scum tell?

[Dwlee99]

>_>

[Dwlee99]

I'll give Dwlee benefit of doubt and assume he's being antagonistic for the sake of arguments/activity. Not an ideal tact imo given all the activity, so take the hint.

so any thoughts on the game?
Also @Stelo

[Dwlee99]

I'll ask you a question before my phone dies. What's your thoughts of atm who I basically guided him towards things he could give an opinion on and instead of doing that just started questioning me.

Dwlee, don't think you ever answered this

I can see him doing that as town or scum

[Dwlee99]

if you want me to elaborate on why I feel that way, he's new so I am really unsure of the way he'll play. I played in his newbie game and he was scum and did pretty much nothing except for bandwagoning some people a little, so I am unsure whether or not this is town!atm trying to do some stuff or possibly scum!atm who figured out how to play scum better (or possibly getting coached pre-game or by mafia with day chat)

[Dwlee99]

he's gonna play that way regardless of what you say to him

this tbh

[Dwlee99]

I think the point creature is making is that scum were taking advantage of robbnva having issues with people having town reads and using it as an excuse to try to push a lynch through. (Which is a decent argument imo)

[Dwlee99]

Which sounds easier: Pushing a (presumably) strong player for not liking early town reads, or agreeing with the strong player in not liking early town reads in order to push a lynch through?

[Dwlee99]

There's absolutely no way you're getting a town read from the very first post a person makes in the game. If you could I'd just copy/paste that post everywhere I went as scum and you'd be none the wiser.

Looking ar smithereen's post again this really bothers me. Creature never said that they got a town read from like one post or something, it was based on the pushes people were making across multiple pushes.
VOTE: Smithereens

[Dwlee99]

I'll put my Vote on Smithereens for now, because I want to hear more from him.

this doesn't count as a vote

Dwlee and Robbnva's banter, to me, implies some sort of familiarity between the two, even though they're opposing each other.

how was that banter.. at all?

So far Dwlee's given this answer twice. I think he's using that as an excuse to not form reads on the specific players, or to get out of not having them. Feels a little scummy to me. His 144 feels to me like he realized the above argument and thought it through.

or something just isn't alignment indicative ??

[Dwlee99]

I think the point creature is making is that scum were taking advantage of robbnva having issues with people having town reads and using it as an excuse to try to push a lynch through. (Which is a decent argument imo)

That makes more sense i was misunderstanding what creature originally meant by "problems with townreads". Either way I'm not sure that was Smithereens trying to jump on and push for a lynch. iirc creature didn't even have a vote on him that wasn't from rvs and robb didn't place a vote on him during that squabble. if there were more votes on creature i could see it as scum pushing for a lynch but being the first legitimate vote on creature doesn't convince me fully.
I would like to see what Smith has to say though considering we're now days in and they've only posted twice.

robbnva was hinting at a creature scum read / lean

[Dwlee99]

I believe this was the first non RVS vote of the game.

well you're wrong

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Robbnva
Actually 100% serious this person is probably scum
pedit creature wtf I used brackets last game we played..

this was the first serious vote

[Dwlee99]

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[Dwlee99]

So you think the scumteam in a 13-player game would be three people?

uh yea?

[Dwlee99]

Well, most of you are right that there's content. The problem is the serious lack of alignment-indicative content.
Derek, though, has a muddy ISO. Most of it is trying to "stay in the flow" and joke with Dwlee. His f-oh-ex vote is bad. He hasn't posted real content at this point, yet criticised Fox for doing so.
VOTE: Derek12
I'll be chilling here.

fe
pedit eggman continues to bother me with every post he makes so agreed

[Dwlee99]

So you think the scumteam in a 13-player game would be three people?

like this feels like he is attempting to say I scum slipped or something which is just

[Dwlee99]

^ I haven't made that post btw

yea I accidentally quoted it inside of your post

[Dwlee99]

So you think the scumteam in a 13-player game would be three people?

That sounds like he was trying to force a townslip out of himself.

yea either he is trying to force a town slip or accuse me of scum slipping which is funny

[Dwlee99]

But i don't think that is only scum!smithereens that would use hyperbole in an argument like that. I think they may just disagree with reads that early

but the way it was positioned after robbnva's problems with early town reads gives me the heebie jeebies.

[Dwlee99]

oh yea robbnva is probz town.

[Dwlee99]

OOC: Who is perturbed by the amazing Derek12 account?

[Dwlee99]

so, your voting me?

lol

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Eggman
Can we go back to this?
We have a ton of one or two person wagons we need to form real wagons to get going. I dont recall anyone townreading eggman and I have seen peope scumreading him so why not this wagon?

[Dwlee99]

dank

[Dwlee99]

Dank

Also an expression frequently used by stoners and hippies for something of high quality.

That borritos was dank, man.
or... That borritos was the dankness

Source

[Dwlee99]

hammer

claim time

[Dwlee99]

Did you.. crumb vt?

[Dwlee99]

You never even said what your favorite one was, this doesnt make sense lol

[Dwlee99]

he never said his favorite dessert was vanilla ice cream tho

[Dwlee99]

clown

fiesta

[Dwlee99]

Which sounds easier: Pushing a (presumably) strong player for not liking early town reads, or agreeing with the strong player in not liking early town reads in order to push a lynch through?

That's assuming I'm a presumably strong player. Imo it would have been easier for scum to attack me instead of defend me

How many games exactly do you have across all of your alts, robbnva?

About 135 give or take a couple.

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Welcome to my second mini normal game. Thanks for signing up, and I hope you have fun!

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Smithereens

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Creature

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MarioManiac4

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Robbnva

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Dwlee99

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stelo

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Dragon of the West

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Derek12

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Akigoku

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F-oh-ex

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Eggman

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atm487

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crazycrabman

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It's

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The most recent vote count can be found here.
There are 13 active players.
Absolute majority is

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Number of deceased

town

players: 0.
Number of deceased

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Deadline is

07-07-2016 00:00:00 CEST

((expired on 2016-07-07 00:00:00)).

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Which can be found here.

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Dayphases last 12 days.
Nightphases last 48 hours.
Deadlines will generally be at 00:00 CEST (which is GMT + 1 + 1), unless I have other plans in the evening, at which point it may be delayed for a few hours, which I may or may not announce. I will announce more significant delays of course.
If an absolute majority has been reached, the night will start at 00:00 CEST, unless, like with the deadlines, I have other plans in the evening, in which case it may be delayed for a few hours. I like to try to keep starts and ends of phases close to 00:00 CEST, but I'll be flexible within, say, 3 hours of a deadline.
I'm actually busier currently than I used to be 5 months ago when I entered the mod queue (..), so updates may be a bit later than expected. If I'm working a particular day, updates will only be between 18:00 and 23:00 CEST.

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Your role PM will state the following:
-The name of your role, which are the standard rolenames taken from the wiki.
-Your alignment, which may be

town

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-Any abilities you may have, with the name I've given it, and an explanation as to how to use it.
-Your win condition.
Below are two examples of role PMs. A town vanilla role PM, and a non-vanilla role PM. Note that the non-vanilla role PM serves only as an example, and does in itself not make any statement about the likeliness of this role being included in this set-up.

Spoiler: Sample town vanilla role PM

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Spoiler: Sample non-vanilla role PM

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Mafia communication

(passive): you can talk with your teammates here: link.

Mafia kill

(active): kill target player. Only one mafia member may perform this action each night. This and your other active ability are mutually exclusive.

Investigate alignment

(active) (limit: 1): investigate the alignment of target player. You may use this ability once. This and your other active ability are mutually exclusive.

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You win when nothing can prevent the mafia from eliminating all other players not aligned to mafia.

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: You win when all players not aligned to town are eliminated, and at least one player aligned to town survives.

Mafia

: You win when nothing can prevent the mafia from eliminating all other players who are not aligned to mafia.

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During the dayphase, you may vote to remove one player from the game (i.e. "lynch"). You do this by bolding

vote:

player

or using the vote tags.

No lynch

is an acceptable vote, and is used if you want to end the day without a lynch. You may post

remove vote

(or unvote) to remove your vote altogether.
Do not unvote if you simply want to change your vote, I prefer to see only a single vote-related statement per post, so simply vote another player. If you do unvote to remove your vote, please don't add a name behind it.
Lynches (or no lynches) require absolute majority of the votes to go through, meaning a number of votes equal to 50% of the number of active players, rounded down, plus 1.
Once an absolute majority has been reached, the (no) lynch is locked in, and no new votes will be counted. The player to be lynched may talk until the write-up for the end of the day has been posted.

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If you have an active ability, you may PM me any time during the day-night cycle with the required parameters (generally just your target). You may change this any time before the nightphase deadline. Unless your role PM states otherwise, you may use your ability once each nightphase. Some abilities may be limited in how often they can be used.
Unless your ability is investigative, you will receive no feedback from the results of your abilities. If you're due some feedback, you will receive a PM from me with the subject:

Mini 1805: report

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Before you die, you may determine the flavour surrounding your death. Keep it simple (you can't use this to incriminate someone). If I'm lazy, this will be a text description in the write-up. If you're lucky, I'll draw something.

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At game start, you confirm by the way stated in your welcome PM. When 11 players have confirmed, the game starts.
You will be prodded after 48 hours of not posting, although I'll be flexible right before and after nightphases.
I'll look for a replacement in the folowing cases:
- When you don't confirm within 48 hours.
- When you have received 3 prods.
- When you ask to be replaced.
I may or may not allow you to continue to play after I've requested a replacement, but haven't found one yet.

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Be cool, be nice.
Don't edit your posts (if you can).
Don't post when dead.
Don't quote PMs.
Don't talk about the on-going game outside the game thread.
If your role PM contradicts anything mentioned in the rules & mechanics here, the role PM takes precedence.

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@mod

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A quick overview of most stuff you'd want to know during gameplay.

Spoiler: Master player list

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Smithereens

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Creature

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MarioManiac4

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Robbnva

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Dwlee99

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stelo

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Dragon of the West

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Derek12

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Akigoku

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F-oh-ex

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Eggman

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atm487

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crazycrabman

Spoiler: Days & nights

Day 1

Spoiler: V/LA

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Thread of the talking dead (post-game)
Review thread (Once public)
Mod thread (post-game)

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I see it much more likely that a scum!eggman was coached in daychat to crumb vt than it is for town!eggman to go, "Hey I think I should crumb VT."

[Dwlee99]

Tfw attempt to click to last page and you multiquote something

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Set-up specific
Daytalk is enabled.

exactly so why dont you think he is being coached in daychat to crumb that?

[Dwlee99]

You all are wrong. Creature played one game with eggman, where he sees eggman mislynched day one and therefore off his limited experience believes that eggman is mislynch bait without looking into other games. smh

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oh idk

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same

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because it seems that the friendliness between him and Dwlee could be from them being IRL friends

not irl friends but we are friends lol

[Dwlee99]

I think I need to like read over some of the recent posting again but I happen to not feel like it right now

[Dwlee99]

the fact they came in at the same time with a similar message.. uhhh

[Dwlee99]

Smithereens: how would you feel about the scumminess of Creature's defense if, hypothetically:
a. we were both town
d. I was town, and it was mafioso
b. we were both mafiosos
c. I was mafioso, and it was town

(I think that we're both town, and the "scummy" part of Creature's defense is just it misremembering stuff (I do that a lot as town, too).)

How much would your opinion on Eggman change then?

3 minutes apart..

[Dwlee99]

I think creature is the scum here.
VOTE: creature
it seems like creature is attempting to tie himself to egg.

[Dwlee99]

okay actually the push on creature for putting someone who hasn't posted in his possible scum team is total bull crap.
I've done things like that before, where I say the scum team is in:
blahblahblah
not necessarily because everyone in that list I am scum reading super hard, but rather because I am using process of elimination and removing everyone I am town reading.
VOTE: crazy

[Dwlee99]

we should lynch crazy

[Dwlee99]

we should lynch crazy

Curious why him over creature?

idek I just want crazy lynched tbh

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee your scum reads in Eggman and Creature are both on the crazy wagon and that doesn't at all concern you?? WTF?!

who said I was still scum reading them?

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee your scum reads in Eggman and Creature are both on the crazy wagon and that doesn't at all concern you?? WTF?!

who said I was still scum reading them?

Is this to say that you're not scum reading them?

:OO

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee your scum reads in Eggman and Creature are both on the crazy wagon and that doesn't at all concern you?? WTF?!

who said I was still scum reading them?

Is this to say that you're not scum reading them?

yes

[Dwlee99]

ffs you're mature af. If you want me to talk to you in the same way I'd talk to a challenged person, that's fine too.

What caused you to stop scum reading Eggman/Creature?
What caused you to move to Crazy?

I might try to explain later, right now I'm too busy feeding in league with mah boi norbert who sets francis on me as support viktor taking all my farm. feelsbadman

[Dwlee99]

Idk why you even have a strategy.

Ugh now I'm really starting to think Derek has a point about crab

see??
you get it.
it's great when people get it

[Dwlee99]

It really stinks that two really good wagons mysteriously disassembled themselves in favour of a guy who merely looks fishy. If this wagon is a mislynch, at least it will be an informative mislynch.

The scum!crab is just super hard to explain. Pretty much every post he makes makes me suspicious of him but finding reasoning to back my gut / tone based read on him is ugh

[Dwlee99]

It really stinks that two really good wagons mysteriously disassembled themselves in favour of a guy who merely looks fishy. If this wagon is a mislynch, at least it will be an informative mislynch.

The scum!crab is just super hard to explain. Pretty much every post he makes makes me suspicious of him but finding reasoning to back my gut / tone based read on him is ugh

I can smell a town victory already with the quality of this play.

I do have high accuracy reads as town, so yes I agree I smell a town victory as well.

[Dwlee99]

I dont think atm was lying about not knowing how to vote that game.

[Dwlee99]

I love when all town gather at once to yell at each other personally. It is very amazing, much more useful than lynching scum.

[Dwlee99]

comma after other

[Dwlee99]

[03] MarioManiac4
[06] stelo
[10] F-oh-ex
[13] crazycrabman
Lynch pool

[Dwlee99]

His early game pinged me hard as town. I dont think he was lying about anything and his play reads as super genuine attempts to scum hunt and figure the game out.

[Dwlee99]

Do you have a reason you think it's more likely to come from scum or is it just experience

Reason. A player who is uninformed is likely to stick to a person who they've discovered is scum with a high degree of confidence. Moving off it simply shows how little profundity the discovery actually made on the player. If Rob's town, then he isn't too concerned about the town win con, and he clearly shows it. Otherwise he's scum.

@Rob, I'm worried about your vote Rob because your vote stands out for being incongruent with arguments that you levied at Creature to accuse him of being scum. The other players don't stand out at all in terms of their votes. Also, be patient with your requests for replies. As you can see you're not the only one.

@Infinity, don't get tied up over the fact that I am or aren't faking my annoyance, I might end up getting annoyed. Lurking from experience does not actually happen despite how many people think it does.

@Dragon, Incorrect. The point is that a townie doesn't play in that fashion, because it involves a detachment of concern from finding scum. Yes, theoretically it is good play. Town don't do this 'good play,' because it actually doesn't reflect a straight forward pursuit of the town win con. It's more how an emotionless robot would play the game, or a scum with no interest in helping the town. Also, this is what I meant by saying you need to be watched. You're a spectator who is throwing opinions at material other people are saying and not attempting to contribute yourself. We don't need a commentator in a mafia game.

Do you suggest that Creature is a newb who doesn't know what the town win con looks like..?

this is your weird obsession with win con

[Dwlee99]

Why does petroleumjelly's catchup only talk about 5 players?

[Dwlee99]

oh Im stupid lol

[Dwlee99]

846
Is NAI imo

[Dwlee99]

It is NAI because petroleum could have made that post before replacing in

[Dwlee99]

Lol at the case on robb tbh

[Dwlee99]

Town and town lean

[Dwlee99]

I mean like yea he could be scum or he coukd just be town hard derping and town reading everyone. I have had games where I was town reading p much the entire player base.

[Dwlee99]

The fact that I realize town dont always play optimally and therefore laugh at most cases that are like "oh if they were town they wouldnt ignore people!!" like petr's case on you?

[Dwlee99]

Omg robb.
My whole point is that one stinking thing that someone does that is viewed as scummy doesnt make someone scum. It is a combination of them doing more scummy things than thought possible by town!them.

[Dwlee99]

Town reading a lot of the people and then creature being a townread are very similar. I thought that your thing about how infinity had someone go from 3rd scummiest to 7th scummiest was just like the way they ordered the list or something? Idk I was tired when I read through that stuff.
Either way I still said enough that town!them wouldnt do.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Infinity
Screw it

[Dwlee99]

Well, here's my reads if people want them.
Smithereens- nothing really of note.
Derek- this was my first scumread and I still maintain it. He's spent almost all of his time ivoting crazycrab, although he seems to be active. He then seems to push Eggman primarily while the wagon was the most popular- after it fades away his attention on Eggman vanishes and he goes back to crab. He doesn't seem to be posting about anyone but crab. I can understand this if he has limited time online but it doesn't seem like he is, and even if he is I've found as scum, when I do have limited time, I focus on mostly my push and trying to validate it without pushing any other cases, rather than trying to generalize and find good cases (which is what I would do as town)- I'm not the same person as Derek but I think it's an instinct many would have. This is a somewhat bad scumread but it's lower than null nevertheless.

Eggman- "do you think there are 3 scum in a 13p game" is bad. I dislike 199, specifically the part where he says "I wanted to make a post to show that I was reading." Town don't really feel like justifying anything, but scum are generally always on the lookout for their own survival- or newer ones are anyhow. In 267 he says he's not aware of how to scumhunt. This is kinda a serious problem and you'd think he'd have figured it out in his three completed games. Sure enough, a quick look at "Celestial Mafia" where he is actively trying to scumhunt. He is aware of how to scumhunt. This strangely seems to drop, with Creature coming in with a townread on Eggman with a read that doesn't make sense.

crazycrab- I can see the scumminess of this slot when I open the ISO but it isn't hard to put into words- I might be seeing something different. crazycrab is commenting on different light reads. Post 173 is especially over the top, with "feel" appearing twice, along with its old comrade "from my experience". Yet he does make a good point about Eggman- although that isn't hard to fake if Eggman is town. He then follows this up by defending him slightly- this could indicate they are scumbuddies. His #254 is valid, but #173 is still bad. Later on, #515 is bad. If he thought the push was stupid, why didn't he say so instead of just saying that it was probably a SvS and the two most discussed players at the time were his top scumreads, along with those who hadn't posted?
"I think the problem we are having is that while many people read just off people's ISO, I believe that we should consider all the possibilities before we make a decision. I don't know if this is a good strategy because I have only tested it on one game, but it is what seems most fair to me."- this means that he has tested this strategy he is apparently using before. He makes the next few posts about his strategy; a musing by Fohex on crab's Dwlee read turns into a criticism on his strategy, and then says that he was "testing" a strategy in this game? 1)- you said you'd tested it before? and 2)- what's all this talk about strategy about? This game is a scumhunting game, and just because people thought your explanations weren't good enough doesn't mean you should hide your reasoning so that you can keep reads that are unsatisfying to other people?
Y'know, this makes me think- what is he planning to do this game if not explaining his reads? Explaining reads is the way to get your scumreads lynched, and if he's not planning to explain his reads, is he just planning to just state his reads and skate by the whole game? This post's scummy.
#600- why does he listen to a few criticisms of his strategy?

I'm going to post this to get it out there and aim to get the rest of my reads up asap.

Robb we can.compromise on infinity or we could lynch the scum picking all the low hanging fruit andbscum reading them and for some reason just mentioning smithereens??

[Dwlee99]

can you promise me mario tomorrow?

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee99 having a bad scumgame makes me feel safer.

excuse me?

[Dwlee99]

Maybe not that bad, but enough to see a difference between his town and scum play.

*cough*
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=65515

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee99

I actually read the Musical Mafia.

lol that game.
Tunneling my scum partner and then getting quick lynched randomly at the end of the day
fun times

[Dwlee99]

Say what you'd like, but you're imagining that. You said you thought something I said in that post set off your scumdar and the only thing I can see setting that off is if you thought I lied about not trying to push a hammer through. If that's not the case, please clarify what made that retort to petroleum scummy, because it's not clear. And that's not "overdefensive", that's explaining myself after an accusation

Petroleum said you were hypocritical for calling eggman's VT crumb scum when you crumbed neighbor, you explained that crumbing neighbor wasn't really the purpose of the post in question. Ok, that was enough of a defense.

You said you weren't pushing for a quickhammer on eggman, but petroleum wasn't accusing you of that, "pushing for a lynch" does not mean "pushing for a lynch immediately", and that particular wording is not important anyway. The important part that petroleum was pointing out was that you called eggman scum for crumbing uselessly, while you crumbed neighbor, and you already had answered that part. Overdefensive.

You also talk about why you didn't like the eggman crumb in a way that "I realize now that it may have just been something Eggman may do" is not a reason for town to drop a scumread. Meanwhile you never even gave another reason to stop pushing eggman in the first place.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: dragon

F-oh-ex is still probably town, he's just stupidly stuck on the creature/egg BS. Egg was town because saying that he crumbed there made no sense as scum, and there was no other real reason to ask the dessert question. Creature realizing that does not make him scum lol

I mean I know it is counter intuitive to try to start a counter wagon on your scum buddy as scum but you might get townie points if you counter wagon'd mario. You could probably argue that you're town cause mario was your counter wagon and "why would scum counter wagon their partner ??"

[Dwlee99]

I have a day cop inno on dragon, can you stop now, infinity?

[Dwlee99]

I have a day cop inno on dragon, can you stop now, infinity?

I have a day cop guilty on infinity.

Let's lynch him now ok?

Im already voting him
hmmmph

[Dwlee99]

what does everyone think of fohex being possibly scum?

[Dwlee99]

Yeah but dwlee said something about him being either dumb or scum, so it probably wouldn't upset scum

That is not what I said. I said that the post wasnt indicative of scum. I got "really mad" one time as scum because some people called me dumb or bad or something. It isnt AI

[Dwlee99]

As this

Yeah but dwlee said something about him being either dumb or scum, so it probably wouldn't upset scum

Doesn't apply to the earlier posts.

it doesnt apply to that post either

[Dwlee99]

Subject: Newbie 1633: The Daily Show-A Retrospective - GAME OVER

@dwlee:

are you willing to die for this gut feeling

The point of town is to find scum no matter what and I don't think you understand this game. I suggest you join more newbie games in the future

Yea, I fricken am. And this is a newbie game. I specifically went to the newbie queue section. -_-

Dwlee's first game on site, playing as scum. Wow look at this GENUINE emotion oh boi so town

[Dwlee99]

Im going to iso map infinity.

[Dwlee99]

22 hours, 54 minutes).

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: crazy
we have ~21 hours lezgo

[Dwlee99]

wait did I say I was gonna do that?

[Dwlee99]

oh yea -derp-

[Dwlee99]

legend

• + working together with somebody, townreading them, defending them, buddying them, helping them, allying with them
  
• - working against somebody, scumreading them, attacking them, pushing them, discrediting them
  
• = neutral interactions, usually quoting somebody without either attacking or defending them, sometimes these are just interactions about setup spec or passing mentions of a slot, sometimes this is responding to a case someone made against you without making it clear whether you’re scumreading them in return or townreading them.
  
• == stating explicitly that a person is a null read
  
• ? I didn’t understand this reaction. this modifies a previous symbol, so +? means “is this an interaction with a townread?” and -? means “is this an interaction with a scumread?” and +?-? means i have no clue what’s going on in that post.
  
• v votes
  
• u unvotes but only if someone says who they’re unvoting because i’m lazy
  
• ☾ marks boundaries between days.
  
• ✝ a gravestone to mark that a slot has died.
  
• R marking the boundaries where a replacement of the slot i'm mapping occurred
  
• r shows where the slot they're interacting with was replaced
  
• ⌾ marks a slot that has been tree-stumped or had their alignment revealed by the mod (IC or similar)
  
• _ conspicuous absences (the only slot left off a readslist, for example)

[Dwlee99]

so i was going to iso map infinity and now i just don't feel like it and it's probably not gonna give me anything anyway

[Dwlee99]

nincompoops lel

[Dwlee99]

Nu preference crazy pls

[Dwlee99]

I'm Vt, catching up after forum was down.

>not even l-1

[Dwlee99]

7 and a half hours. Still preferring crazy.

[Dwlee99]

deadline is 4 hours and 11 minutes from this post guys
zzz

[Dwlee99]

V/LA July 10th - July 17th due to a family vacation

[Dwlee99]

@Mod

: Can we have a deadline countdown?

[Dwlee99]

alright, so let me just butt in here.
are you guys going to listen to what i say at all? are you going to consider not instawagoning me on d2 if crab flips town, which is definitely a possibility?
because if not, it might even be better to just lynch me now. better a town slot is dead than a town slot alive that cannot contribute.

uhhh

[Dwlee99]

Still want to lynch crazy because being seen on site without claiming or anything is scum claim but lol

[Dwlee99]

I will be very suprised if this flips town.

[Dwlee99]

I was so surprised I got NKd, I hardly ever do.

[Dwlee99]

yea the fact no one questioned that claim is odd..

[Dwlee99]

I think the lesson from this is that never hammer in lylo until:
EVERYONE has claimed
And everyone comments on the intent to hammer

[Dwlee99]

I think the lesson from this is that never hammer in lylo until:
EVERYONE has claimed
And everyone comments on the intent to hammer

or actually, just voting in lylo in general.

[Dwlee99]

Binary Mafia (mini theme)
Everone has 2 roles (or modes as I call them in-game). You choose whichever you want to use before the next day- and night cycle. Only one mode is active, and the other mode's abilities are not available / active. A generic example: you may have an active investigative ability in mode 1, and a passive protective ability in mode 2. You need to choose which one you want to use the next day- and night cycle. There will be a few vanilla equivalents though. Like I said it's practically ready, though I may change a role. But I want to do a quick micro first, so I'm joining the micro queue first in September.

Prein me for this

[Dwlee99]

I had this game solved I wish I rolled BP