Micro 618 {Over}

[JaeReed]

Granted, I see no town motivation,

but I also don't see the scum motivation

This.

Also, D&A can you confirm the gambit?

[Dionysus and Ariadne]

Yes.

-Ariadne

[MURDERCAT]

UNVOTE:

ok

Idk lemme think.

[ReallySick]

UNVOTE:

Can someone gambit again? The game stalls again

~Realeo

Fixing the unvote tag.

[Ranger]

D

eath...

Votecount 2.5

BTD6_maker - 3 (Charloux, karnos, Chip Butty)

ReallySick - 2 (JaeReed, Dionysus and Ariadne)

Not Voting - 3 (BTD6_maker, Murdercat, ReallySick)

BTD6_maker is at L-2.

Deadline is on Sunday, July 4th: (expired on 2016-07-04 00:00:00).
mhsmith made a votecount in 710.

[Charloux]

Btw i'm a terrorist, so if anyone visits me or vengekills me, they will die. Along with me.
I'm disappointed with BTD's reaction though, i expected something, well more? I'm good with my vote now even if it started as a lolvote

[BTD6_maker]

I think my wagon is the one that scum are very likely to be on. A gambiting VT seems like an easy excuse lynch for opportunistic scum.

Karnos is most likely though. I already scumread him before all of this gambit pileup.

VOTE: Karnos

[ReallySick]

I already scumread him before all of this gambit pileup.

I can confirm that from the mood of the whisper--(implicitly) he is going for Karnos/Murdercat

~Realeo

[karnos]

I don't know why this is so complicated. We were going to lynch BTD yesterday, only gave him a stay of execution to see if he really was the seer. It's now clear the seer claim was just a charade.

I had my hunch about a Jae & D&A scum team, but there can only be two scum and BTD wins the "most scummy player in this game" award any way you look at it.

RS, I don't get your gambit. I am not saying murdercat is obv town, I really don't have that strong of a read on him, but the idea that your "gambit", if you can even call it that actually proves he is scum- it does not.

[Chip Butty]

Interesting thing: 1v1 doesn't mean town loses, it just means the first person to post and vote at the start of day wins, whether town or wolf. Kind of funny really.

Here's another one:

If it gets to 2/2, then

...if scum votes twice before Town, scum wins;

...if Town votes twice before scum, then 2/1 BUT vengekills, so 0/1, scum wins.

[ReallySick]

Btw i'm a terrorist, so if anyone visits me or vengekills me, they will die. Along with me.
I'm disappointed with BTD's reaction though, i expected something, well more? I'm good with my vote now even if it started as a lolvote

if they are vengekilling you... that means

A. they have been lynched
B. You are gonna die

if they are vengekilling you and you are terrorist... that means
you are both gonna die.

fake

[JaeReed]

Talking with what's essentially my hydra buddy, Nahdia.

She doesn't want a RS lynch. Getting her to review some stuff with me before we decide where our two votes are going. Hang tight, people.

[ReallySick]

RS, I don't get your gambit. I am not saying murdercat is obv town, I really don't have that strong of a read on him, but the idea that your "gambit", if you can even call it that actually proves he is scum- it does not.

Good observation. It was an impromptu gambit and snap judgement so I didn't really give a thought.

The gambit was to check Karnos/Murdercat--and the fact you didn't vote me (despite being at L-2) kinda flusters me.

So I ask myself. "Will Karnos split vote?" I thought, if Karnos/Murdercat is indeed the correct scum, then they can't take risk of splitting vote me. Especially when they can escape with it by throwing the guilt to BTD. ("You stupid gambit!")

As I said, the gambit gives me reasons to move my vote--not exactly proof it.

~Realeo

[ReallySick]

Can someone explain to me why BTD is scum? It takes 5 votes to lynch so some explanation to get people into the wagon will be helpful..

I had my hunch about a Jae & D&A scum team,

One of them is possible. Two of them? If it's two of them, they will not resist voting me.
~Realeo

[karnos]

Can someone explain to me why BTD is scum? It takes 5 votes to lynch so some explanation to get people into the wagon will be helpful..

Look it's really simple.

On day 1, he was at L-1 and people were SCREAMING to hammer him. D&A, in particular, and apparently Jae shared the same thought because they decided the action was good enough for permanent town confirmation.

The only reason we didn't lynch him immediately is because... maybe by some miracle, he is a seer, worth going one day to see.

Now it's day 2, and BTD is confirmed *not* a seer. All the same reasons to lynch him exist as we had on day 1, plus the extra reason of him faking a seer claim and holding it for so long.

I do find D&A and Jae's play irritating, even if one or both are town. It seems like they are using some sort of anti-town logic, where BTD was scum before he faked the seer claim, but now that it's confirmed to be a fake claim they fully believe he is town. Okay, what?

I had my hunch about a Jae & D&A scum team,

One of them is possible. Two of them? If it's two of them, they will not resist voting me.
~Realeo

Yeah, at this point I can't imagine them not voting BTD if they were a scum team. Free miss-lynch, no scummy tells required.

[ReallySick]

Is 1 hour enough to realize that the hammer is fake? Anyone here. I'm pretty much newbie here about forum experience.

~Realeo

[ReallySick]

The only reason we want to lynch him D1 was becuase he didn't talk enough. Now? He talked. And if you notice, most of the talk he did when we want to lynch him was near post-VRS. You're naive to judge someone's quality of post for something a little bit after RVS.
~Relaeo

[Ranger]

I'll put a votecount here if it's asked of me, but the last votecount was on this page, and there's only been one small change since then.

[MURDERCAT]

Use vote counts as passive aggressive bumps when you don't think players are posting enough.

[karnos]

The only reason we want to lynch him D1 was becuase he didn't talk enough. Now? He talked.

Really? His lies about being a seer convinced you he is town? Or was it the lie about getting a guilty (or innocent, or no result) on murdercat that convinced you he is town?

The gambit itself is NAI, but the fact that he continued to claim seer until the every end just drips of scum. The only reason he wasn't lynched yesterday was because he claimed seer, that claim has been shot down.

If you let BTD go now, the next time we vote someone to l-1 they are just going to claim some silly power role to avoid getting lynched, and then rescind the claim later as an "obv towny".

[JaeReed]

The only reason we want to lynch him D1 was becuase he didn't talk enough. Now? He talked.

Really? His lies about being a seer convinced you he is town? Or was it the lie about getting a guilty (or innocent, or no result) on murdercat that convinced you he is town?

The gambit itself is NAI, but the fact that he continued to claim seer until the every end just drips of scum. The only reason he wasn't lynched yesterday was because he claimed seer, that claim has been shot down.

If you let BTD go now, the next time we vote someone to l-1 they are just going to claim some silly power role to avoid getting lynched, and then rescind the claim later as an "obv towny".

Being survivalistic doesn't necessarily make him scum. The whole gambit stuff was awful but I'm not sure that makes him scum any more than it makes him just bad at the game.

Charloux, on the other hand? From stuff in our room alone... He claimed to recognize BTD's claim as a gambit from early on, with the excuse of needing experience to recognize it. Then he claimed he thinks Murder is a VI with the excuse takes one to know one. He also didn't think BNL would flip scum. Why? There's a simple answer for this and it's that he knows our alignments.

VOTE: Charloux

[karnos]

It wasn't a survival move if he believed he was being hammered.

If he didn't believe the hammer, there is one more thing BTD lied about. How many lies does it take before you stop trusting someone?

[JaeReed]

It wasn't a survival move if he believed he was being hammered.

If he didn't believe the hammer, there is one more thing BTD lied about. How many lies does it take before you stop trusting someone?

I've played with Charloux before quite a few times since my first game. For this reason I don't subscribe to Lynch All Liars. It's lazy as far as scumhunting goes.

[Charloux]

What if i told you that this is a policy lynch and that him being a possible scum is just a bonus? If he stays alive he will most likely hinder us regardless of alignment. Also, you are most likely angry right now to top it off so i won't talk shit like comparing which of our play styles are worse and stuff like that.
I am content with BTD for today

[Charloux]

Also i really don't see scum!RS defending BTD this much when he is also in danger unless they are scum partners. One more reason to lynch BTD.