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Post Post #750 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:13 am

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In post 745, Ranger wrote:Hi Spiffeh.

Reads, please?

VOTE: Katsuki.
Know how I wanted pie flipped yesterday?
Yeah, if scum have the ability to grant a color-flip, I don't see anyone else they'd use it on. This,
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Yeah, no. Literally my entire gameplan yesterday was blindly townreading pieguyn outloud because I wanted them to feel secure. If scum painted anyone on their own team, it's definitely
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pie, everyone was loudly townreading her except you. The thing I quoted earlier was literally going to be me saying pieguyn is scumread of mine and I want her color flipped because I think it'll still be reliable.

The Aristophanes flip changes things though.
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Post Post #751 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:18 am

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oh lord.

me thinks Katsuki is town.
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Post Post #752 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:23 am

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In post 749, Katsuki wrote:
In post 746, pieguyn wrote:I don't really mind quick flips starting from here, although I want to point out that if we don't pick someone "obvious" per se, we can probably trust a red flip. I don't particularly feel the same way if we get a blue flip, cos if I was scum here and the painting mechanic functions in the same way it did last game I would be painting one of us blue immediately.
Could you explain this for those of us who aren't familiar with the mechanics?
with the exception of TBG who claimed miller, all town start the game as blue and all scum start the game as red. in the last game, scum had a factional ability they could use each night to paint a player another color (1-shot blue, infinite-shot a bunch of other colors) and I'm assuming it works in the same or in a very similar way here. right now we're voting to flip someone's color.

there are two possibilities that I think are somewhat likely for what scum might have done last night and those are painting one of themselves blue (in essence making one of them a godfather against the flip phase) or painting a target red who they thought we would flip today (hoping we'd incorrectly assume they were scum for it). hence why I don't want to flip someone "obvious" and why I wouldn't trust a blue flip - neither of these would have been problems D1 because scum wouldn't have had a chance to change anyone's color yet.
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Post Post #753 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2016 11:05 am

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Post Post #754 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:09 pm

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Post Post #755 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:17 pm

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Post Post #756 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:24 pm

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In post 598, lalaladucks wrote:uhhh i should lay down a vote i guess? since deadline's in a day... how many votes ppl have.
uhh looks like
aristo - 4
kats - 2
bella - 1

i find it a bit rich that i'm gonna make this vote w/o explaining my reazonz! but that's my theme this game i guess lol
VOTE: katsuki </3 i'm sry bae
I hate this post for two reasons:

1. it reads like she felt like she had to bend over backwards inventing a reason to explain her Katsuki vote. this would make more sense coming from a POV of being self-conscious about avoiding the scum counterwagon. I would expect the town alternative to be just voting Katsuki and not bothering to justify it at all/beyond "I find Katsuki scummier".

2. if she even had reasons for scum reading Katsuki here, she did basically nothing at all up to this point to even talk about them. if you look through her ISO the only thing she ever says about Katsuki amounts to "you're scum because TSQ was scum and you haven't done anything to convince me you were town", i.e. that it carried over from TSQ's play - which would have been 100% fine. the thing is, the last sentence directly implies she had more than that and just didn't talk about it for whatever reason, despite being relatively active in the game.
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In post 507, Nina Williams wrote: Katsuki-Aristophanes and one of Nahdia/Bellaphant/itlepip would be my guess.
oh yeah i forgot aristo was in this game also, he looks likely scum
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In post 603, pieguyn wrote:I kinda lol'd. I figured that when I backed off and offered Aris as a potential counterwagon, lala would probably find some bullshit reason to not want to support the wagon and go to vote someone else.
?????????? you're complaining that i'd rather lynch my stronger scumreads than a slot that's done nothing but fluff around and make excuses for not catching up all game, aristo legitimately could be town who just didn't realise he wouldn't have enough time to play this game at this time
that said, i'll hammer in like 10hrs if there won't be any other lynch today
she also did this despite the fact Aris hadn't done jack shit in between these two posts, he just popped in and said "I'll have something more in a day or two" (which was something she specifically called him out for in her catchup preceding 626). "looks likely scum" to "could just be town who is behind with the game" is not a natural progression. the potential scum motivation for doing this is fairly obvious, and if Katsuki was really a "stronger scum read", she should have done ... literally anything ... to actually talk about it, which she didn't.

this said, I'd rather flip someone else since after how D1 played out, if I happen to be wrong on this read I could easily enough see scum painting lala red as the next "target" after Aris, but I want to lynch lala. as for other reads, I'm looking at the posts surrounding how the lala/Aris/Katsuki wagons happened and outside of this it's really fucking difficult to tell anything in general because of how inactive the game is, so I haven't found anything else that was notable about it yet.
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Post Post #757 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:38 pm

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I want to flip someone from the Aristowagon. I don't feel like Scum would let that go through as an all-town wagon. Looking at it, Nina is conftown, Pie is probably town, and you're not getting anything by flipping me, so we're down to {Dwlee, Spiffeh, Nadia, Bella}.

Of those, I feel like Dwlee is the best flip. Very low chance of getting altered in the Night, and his early Aristo vote is super weak with just "DEADLINE WAGON GO". Reads like a weak bus intended to make people see Aristo as only a deadline wagon and lynch elsewhere.

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Post Post #758 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2016 5:20 pm

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In post 757, TehBrawlGuy wrote:Very low chance of getting altered in the Night
actually I 100% agree with this and I kinda think a dwlee flip would be useful just because it would almost certainly be accurate.

btw, after you brought up his vote, I looked again and saw this:
In post 634, Dwlee99 wrote:I'm willing to switch to katsuki tbh
idk if it is the avatar but I think ari could be town
what was the reasoning behind this?
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Post Post #759 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:15 pm

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ari felt like he cpuld have just been disengaged town. Im not even sure at this point whether or not the reasons people were scum reading him towards the beginning of the wagon were like super legit cause it seemed to be lack of engagement but I think he could have been actually busy? Idk I think we got lucky in all honesty,
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Post Post #760 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:18 pm

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p. sure Dwlee is town but I'll flip whoever
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Post Post #761 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:27 pm

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I'm have no problem with that response.

what do both of you think about flipping Nahdia? I _really_ don't know if she's town tbh.
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Post Post #762 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:31 pm

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I planned to look over the end of last day to see if there was any odd behavior around the Ari wagon but that hasn't happened

And I'm sick af so idk how soon that will happen
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Post Post #763 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:32 pm

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I agree that we should color flip someone who's color is unlikely to have been tampered with last night
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Post Post #764 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:07 pm

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Post Post #765 (ISO) » Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:37 pm

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I don't have any issue with flipping Nahdia, but her Aristo vote was a <1 hr deadline scramble and I'm not sure what she's done that we see as scummy.
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Post Post #766 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:59 am

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i could go for nadhia because my gut read on them is super town, but I dunno how much of that is conf!bias around their playstyle?
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Post Post #767 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:28 am

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Flip me baby one more time.
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Post Post #768 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:29 am

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Post Post #769 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:04 pm

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Thanks pie!

Also wow "I'm sry bae" is your reasoning for voting me over aristo? I'll add to what pie said with that my biggest issue with ducks is her ignoring all my attempts to reach out to her to understand her read on me.

I kinda wanna flip spiffeh so that I don't have to put effort in trying to read him and lynch ducks (i'm sry bae)
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Post Post #770 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:50 pm

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I am always town dw
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Post Post #771 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:42 pm

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VOTE: Spiffeh I like this idea.
Predictable, really I suppose. It was an act of purest optimism to have posed the question in the first place.

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Post Post #772 (ISO) » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:03 pm

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Nahdia wrote:Literally my entire gameplan yesterday was blindly townreading pieguyn outloud because I wanted them to feel secure. If scum painted anyone on their own team, it's definitely not pie, everyone was loudly townreading her except you. The thing I quoted earlier was literally going to be me saying pieguyn is scumread of mine and I want her color flipped because I think it'll still be reliable.
Fair 'nuff.

VOTE: pie.
pie wrote:what do both of you think about flipping Nahdia? I _really_ don't know if she's town tbh.
Nahdia is my strongest townread, so no. Not flipping her.
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Post Post #773 (ISO) » Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:54 am

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Itle you are so scum
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Post Post #774 (ISO) » Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:31 am

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I could go for an Itle flip. He's not gonna be super readable at any point and he doesn't seem like he'd be a likely candidate for flipping.
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