Mini 1804: Poker Mafia (Game Over)

[Fire Assassin]

Fire is prob scum as well.

I already said this earlier:

What's up, are you scum?

Not much, and Probably.

[RedCoyote]

No, Fire, because you weren't properly put on notice. As I said earlier, Pers was foolish to act like he did. I think it's a little silly that you didn't think about it upon replacing in, but I'm not so callous as to hold it against you. It's possible I could've done the same thing, though I think it would be unlikely.

In any event, you asking that question is actually townie sounding.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I read that question the complete opposite way RC.

[RedCoyote]

It would be lovely if we could...

1) Finish this hand before the day ends.
2) Get lane/q to either commit to joining The MM (we'll need a claim soon) or really get working to push an alternative wagon.
3) Lynch The MM (or a good alternative).

[Infinity 324]

I thought the question was NAI lol
Why is fire scum, BBT

PEdit: good alternative = faq2

[RedCoyote]

I read that question the complete opposite way RC.

Why? You think it was scummy of him to bring up his objectively bad play from earlier to me? If he was scum, I'd think he would've completely dodged that.

[Fire Assassin]

I thought the question was NAI lol
Why is fire scum, BBT

PEdit: good alternative = faq2

I was thinking it was not alignment indicative either.
I was more asking to start an engagement with RC since I have not interacted with him at all.

His answer and then follow up sound....reasonable?

[RedCoyote]

PEdit: good alternative = faq2

I have no problem with an FAQ2 lynch, but the onus is on those on that wagon to make it the stronger wagon. There are 3-4 votes that could swing it in that direction (q, lane, MM). MM is kind of a given, but q/lane hold a lot of swing right now.

[Fire Assassin]

It would be lovely if we could...

1) Finish this hand before the day ends.
2) Get lane/q to either commit to joining The MM (we'll need a claim soon) or really get working to push an alternative wagon.
3) Lynch The MM (or a good alternative).

So your better alternative is BBT. You don't consider MM just being newbie town in this scenario as other players?


What do you think about my plan I said earlier about throwing games tomorrow? (I am sorry if I a missed you commenting but I don't remember you doing so)

[RedCoyote]

EBWOP:

3-4

... make it just 3. I was going to be lazy and leave it broad without going back to check the actual names, but then I decided to do it because I've got a caffeine high right now and am on a posting frenzy.

[RedCoyote]

So your better alternative is BBT. You don't consider MM just being newbie town in this scenario as other players?


What do you think about my plan I said earlier about throwing games tomorrow? (I am sorry if I a missed you commenting but I don't remember you doing so)

As far as your plan goes, I think we should revisit that when tomorrow actually starts (I want to see some flips/actions). I will then be willing to give you a more concrete answer about it. It sounds fair enough right now, but let me table it until the day is over.

Yes, BBT would be my top choice right now, but I recognize that will not happen. I think MM could very well be newbie town, but I get a slightly scummier read from him than I do FAQ2 (the only real options at this point unless things really start shaking up). I'm not really opposed to either lynch, but I don't think they're the best we could do.

[Infinity 324]

Lane made quite a good case on faq2 earlier, I'm not good at making cases cause a lot of my thinking is based on gut, so

Idk if we can convince qubixes to join the faq2 wagon since he seems to be tunneling on mm, but we can try

Do you think mm is scummier than faq2? What type of impression do you get of mm's personality that would explain his rather bold and not very careful actions as noob scum? (I'd like everyone who's on the mm wagon to answer that)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Why? You think it was scummy of him to bring up his objectively bad play from earlier to me? If he was scum, I'd think he would've completely dodged that.

Because it's designed to do exactly what it just did. Get town reads.

[farside22]

Mm: why are you scum reading fire?

You're making a misassumption. I'm only saying "you are scum" with no backup to the claim as an imitation of him to prove how his argumentary sucks. Everything else you need to know about what I think of him is in my previous posts anyway.

Was more looking to have a discussion on mm than to have someone make a case, but what mm did was helpful (thanks). I still have a strong gut town read on s_s I can't shake.

qubixes is null town for me because his thoughts are organic and well-reasoned (not simplistic), even though I often disagree with them.

RC, put your mind at ease.

If I'm scum, you die N1 anyway.

I kind of want to make the same comment to farside, hah.

Yah I like being killed n1.

Also, farside, you must act on your poker hand in your next post or you will get scum points from me. Same with Wingback. I'm putting you two on notice.

Dances on line
Throws confetti on line.

Not sure if you paid attention or don't care but fire was asking about throwing the poker hands to those that are town reads, which I like the idea and your not a town read.
Also wing has made exactly one post thus far get over it.

@insanity: quibix post are stuck on just MM that's pretty easy to fake genuine thoughts on regardless of alignment, just my 2 cents.

[farside22]

On yeah and mm the vote on fire seemed more serious then sarcastic.

[RedCoyote]

Lane made quite a good case on faq2 earlier, I'm not good at making cases cause a lot of my thinking is based on gut, so

Idk if we can convince qubixes to join the faq2 wagon since he seems to be tunneling on mm, but we can try

I don't expect you to speak for either of them, Infinity. I'll hear them out. I may be convinced to pivot yet. I'm definitely not a diehard MMscum proponent.

Do you think mm is scummier than faq2? What type of impression do you get of mm's personality that would explain his rather bold and not very careful actions as noob scum? (I'd like everyone who's on the mm wagon to answer that)

Yes, I do think he is scummier.

To reiterate (it's probably good I do this since my original rationale is buried in posts from a while back), he really, really overplayed the newbie card (see: 88), his suspicions of lane originally proved hypcritical (see: 106), and q's comment in 98 was very much on point. He explains why MM acted irrationally in his betting as town. Poker /= Mafia. It has nothing to do with being new to Mafia.

Not the best case against someone that I've ever seen, but it's good enough.

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Because it's designed to do exactly what it just did. Get town reads.

Oh, please. Better yet, I'll translate that from American to English for you: Come off it. I don't want to hear this WIFOM stuff. I do not get this scum mastermind impression from Fire Assassin at all. He's a smart guy, but that's a bridge too far. "FA did something silly, got called out on it, acknowledged he got called out on it, just so he could later refer back to that as a scum trick!" That's just too much.

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Not sure if you paid attention or don't care but fire was asking about throwing the poker hands to those that are town reads, which I like the idea and your not a town read.
Also wing has made exactly one post thus far get over it.

Yeah, and that's what we've just been talking about, dear.

So you're deliberately electing to prolong the hand and not make a move, hm?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm talking about the question he asked. Not the actions before it.

You should ask Fire if he rates his scum game. I'm pretty sure he thinks he is good at being scum.

[The MM]

Fire is just - shall I say - the player I'm the most disposed to dispose of. I don't have a scumread strong enough to commit to yet.

BBT, Wingback, FAQ, RC and qubixes are the other ones I feel less town than the rest. But none of them ticks me as much as Fire right now.

[RedCoyote]

They're a package though. There wouldn't be a question unless he didn't do his poker action. If you're saying he's scummy for it, you kind of have to say that he "forgot" to make an action on purpose.

Fire can think he's God's gift to scum for all I care. That doesn't mean anything to me. Opinions from players not named Fire Assassin are more valuable to me in that respect.

[Fire Assassin]

BBT do you want to ask me if I think my scum game is good?

@MM If you don't have a scumread strong enough to commit why are you putting a vote on me? You can see why many of us are confused at your behavior, town or scum you aren't making any sense.

[RedCoyote]

I will say, Infinity, that I think MoI had a really good point earlier (I think it was MoI) when he said that MM is handling pressure exceedingly well and unlike newbscum may be more inclined to do.

I'm looking at this like I'm looking at one of those old-timey scales. The kind with two plates and they go up and down? I keep putting pebbles on the "not scum" side and it's started to inch downward...

[BlueBloodedToffee]

But they're not RC.

He could make the first action innocently, with no previously intended follow up and then the opportunity comes up to look town.

[RedCoyote]

For now, let's agree to disagree. I get your point, but I think the opportunism angle is too much of a reach whether or not the first action was innocent. You'd really have to sell me on reading it that way. I suspect we'll be discussing this in the future, however.

[Fire Assassin]

BBT do you want to ask me if I think my scum game is good?

[RedCoyote]

BBT do you want to ask me if I think my scum game is good?

You see what I mean now?