Micro 618 {Over}

[Charloux]

I bet on 20$ that Karnos and BTD aren't in the same faction; One of them is scum and the other isn't. I don't think BTD is scum, but i will pray that i am wrong.

[ReallySick]

Can we have Karnos lynched tommorow? I tunnel scum read him and Jae is tunnel town read him.

One of us is wrong

and I personally can use some eye-opener. I tried to escape the tunnel like creating other association like considering Murdercat/JaeReed--but even creating a fos reasoning against them feels forced for me with Karnos in the alive list.

Is it too premature to push a d3 lynch? Maybe, but our concern is genuine.

~Realeo

[MURDERCAT]

This is probably scum ^

"We can lynch my scum buddy today as long as we mislynch the next day, that will still give me a chance to win."

Honestly I could lynch you today too.

[ReallySick]

This is probably scum ^

"We can lynch my scum buddy today as long as we mislynch the next day, that will still give me a chance to win."

Honestly I could lynch you today too.

This is 100% valid accusation. Here's why I'm pushing.

If BTD flips town: I am fosed for towncreding
If BTD flips scum: I am fosed for buddying

How convenient. Double edged sword. I got wrong for any scenario. Why don't just go all out? I mean, it's super obvious I'm getting lynched tomorrow no matter the flip.

@JaeReed: You claimed to lynch BTD because he muddies the water. Say you lynch him,

a)Bang! He flips scum. Now what?
b)Bang! He flips town. Now what?

[ReallySick]

@Murdercat: Go hammer him if you think he is scum. We have 1 days left. Make your stand.

[MURDERCAT]

I'm going to give him a chance to post again. The fact that you are calling for a hammer without him posting is scummy as well.

[ReallySick]

I'm going to give him a chance to post again. The fact that you are calling for a hammer without him posting is scummy as well.

Pardon me?

[JaeReed]

This is probably scum ^

"We can lynch my scum buddy today as long as we mislynch the next day, that will still give me a chance to win."

Honestly I could lynch you today too.

This is 100% valid accusation. Here's why I'm pushing.

If BTD flips town: I am fosed for towncreding
If BTD flips scum: I am fosed for buddying

How convenient. Double edged sword. I got wrong for any scenario. Why don't just go all out? I mean, it's super obvious I'm getting lynched tomorrow no matter the flip.

@JaeReed: You claimed to lynch BTD because he muddies the water. Say you lynch him,

a)Bang! He flips scum. Now what?
b)Bang! He flips town. Now what?

UNVOTE:

What are you thinking karnos flip will give us?

[Chip Butty]

I'm thinking BTD/RS at this point.

[ReallySick]

What frustrates me the most is:

Assume that BTD is town, so I, BNL, and BTD are mislynched; who will be the accused scum partner at LYLO?

The remaining 6 with high chance will accuse Charloux/ChipButty.

I don't think any of them is scum.

So see my frustration, no matter the flip

{Karnos,Murdecat,D&A} are never touched.

This is why I'm I pressing on one of them.

If I mislynched tomorrow, you will lynch LYLO in Charloux/ChipButty--I don't want that.

~Realeo

[Charloux]

So everything comes down to what BTD flips huh? Poor fella.
PE: We got 2 more chances, so if you get lynched tomorrow and you are town, it's game over.

[ReallySick]

No here's the thing.

I made

a big

argument (it's big for someone in vacation) why Karnos must be lynched while you just went with "stupid gambit"

If I mislynched Karnos,

I have to reconsider everything

. The whole hyphothesis shatters apart.
If you mislynch BTD, you people went "Oops. Well, it's his stupid mistake to gambit."

What I want is a detailed explanation.

I gave a big explanation, went into the trouble of playing second gambit--just to confirm my read.

I am proud of my shitty gambit, I am proud of that wall of post, because

I fight to get a read

. D1 was

hell

, total distortion, so I need to act to get a read on other people.

I CAN'T JUST WAIT FOR SOMETHING TO HAPPEN.

If I went into the same trouble, then I expect you to do the same. I want guarantee that if BTD is mislynched--we're learning something

instead of simple shurgs.

I mean

JaeReed

, you gave us detailed explanation why ChipButty and Murdercat is town, right?

I want a detailed explanation something like that.

I mean, who is his partner? The only partner of BTD is RS--because I defend him. Who else? Most of you are just being emotional now, I want to see their rational part.

~Realeo

[JaeReed]

At this stage afaik it's a policy lynch. I already stated I don't like those. Also, there's no chance I don't push for a flip in lylo/mylo outside of {karnos, murder, d&a} because I have too much paranoia. You don't want me in lylo/mylo. I will lose the game for town. We cannot reach that stage. We need a scumflip.

[ReallySick]

I am ok with you being in lylo. I personally have no feeling against you.

I just don't want to waste a day without learning something.

Mafia+Daytalk is already

annihilation

for town. The moment newbie queue implements whisper--the victory rate plummets--so we know this is going to be though, which is why I and sick being aggressive since first time--like messing up with ChipButty.

I mean, sickofit knows his meta that ChipButty is an asshole (which btw, Charloux easily agree at in our whisper.) Why waste my time (and my emotion) messing up with his brain unless we want to figure out what's going on?

~Realeo

[MURDERCAT]

This is all flail as far as I'm concerned.

[JaeReed]

It feels genuine though?

[ReallySick]

So you just went "Oh, well." if he flips town? That's it? Your thinking process is that short?

~Realeo

[JaeReed]

Real please summarize what we learn from karnos flip?

Murder, you don't normally have such an incisive tone. What's with that?

[ReallySick]

@JaeReed: Aren't we lynching BTD now? I mean, I'm pressing on Karnos lynch for D3 because I sincerely gave up. It's too much for defending him. We(sickofit+Realeo) already warn him for the gambit before D2 starts, so I just give up when he being put at L-1. You have no idea the chaos (and warning) in our whisper.

It's mentally taxing. Go scumread for this giving up. I can't care anymore.

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The other reason I keep shouting for explanation is I want to know if BTD flips scum, who is bussing him. Bussing him in the name of "shitty gambit" is too easy. I don't want scum to get away with bus.

~Realeo

[MURDERCAT]

Lol I don't think you've played that many games with me.

He genuinely doesn't want BTD lynched because he genuinely doesn't want to lose when BTD flips scum and we lynch him next. I don't see how any townie could possibly be interested in keeping BTD alive or be so sure that he is town after we all thought he was scum and then he fake claimed cop. Like, we were all ready to lynch him and then he fake claimed cop and because sometimes town gambits BTD must be town? This isn't just a policy lynch.

As far as RS goes, it's a common scum tactic to ask for some sort of hard evidence. Because we don't know anything we can never produce any hard proof and scum gets to say "see you have no real reason you think he's scum! We can't lynch him (or me)!" He is just doubtcasting.

[JaeReed]

@JaeReed: Aren't we lynching BTD now? I mean, I'm pressing on Karnos lynch for D3 because I sincerely gave up. It's too much for defending him. We(sickofit+Realeo) already warn him for the gambit before D2 starts, so I just give up when he being put at L-1. You have no idea the chaos (and warning) in our whisper.

It's mentally taxing. Go scumread for this giving up. I can't care anymore.

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The other reason I keep shouting for explanation is I want to know if BTD flips scum, who is bussing him. Bussing him in the name of "shitty gambit" is too easy. I don't want scum to get away with bus.

~Realeo

VOTE: karnos

L1

There. Give me your reasons please. If they don't make sense I can just move back.

[MURDERCAT]

Like look at 918. "He's town he's town he's town! Oh and if he flips scum he must be getting bussed so I can't be the other scum, by the way."

[JaeReed]

Lol I don't think you've played that many games with me.

I've read some as well as playing with you. I've never seen you have a harsh tone like you've had with RS.

[MURDERCAT]

I can quote for you if you really care

[ReallySick]

There. Give me your reasons please. If they don't make sense I can just move back.

I already gave me my long wall of post. I gave my reasoning of that shitty gambit. Go read.

We can lynch Karnos together or we can lynch BTD together. I have no problem if you can tell me something.

If you can't give me hard evidence,

then let me lower the bar

:

Who is BTD's scum partner? Why?

I propose {Murdercat,Karnos} because of the VCA and I propose {D&A, Karnos} That's the association. What's yours?

Mafia is a

association game

and the least we can do to learn from something is if you associate someone.

I don't mind if you can't explain me--people use their gut feeling and I personally have used them.

However, If you fos someone

but you can't even point a scum partner--that's a huge warning.

I mean, the reason that nobody wants your head is--who is your fucking partner? D&A?

It's not rocket science.

We can lynch Karnos together and I spread my reasoning before. We can also lynch BTD together but I need your reasoning. It's 10 pm in local time so I probably going to sleep. But we still have 24 hours something and it's not like I'm going to hibernate the whole deadline.

~Realeo