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Post Post #725 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2016 6:08 pm

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In post 722, Kaori Miyazono wrote:Dp since when does shutting down help
This town is hopeless. Why even bother? Why bother trying to reason with someone calling you terrible despite them doing absolutely nothing thw day before? Why bother reason with the rest of the town townreading someone who did nothing if note and is convinced Im lying about me being BP. See no matter when I claimed, it would have been suspect because to me it made sense to keep the BP hidden so we might have a chance at another day. If i claimed when RC asked for the claim, maybe I wouldnt be targetted right now. But anytime I claim after, my claim is wonky.

We get giga and kraska auto clearing RC despite doing nothing of note to make him even seem town because the entirety of day 1 he was busy. I get being busy, but theres a point when it makes no sense to assume someone is in the right when they havent done squat. If youre gonna make this a battle between me and RC, lynch me then. Im not gonna burden you with my crappy reads. Let your savior RC save town if you truly believe he's town.
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Post Post #726 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2016 6:18 pm

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I'm not convinced you're lying, I literally said that I believe your claim a few pages back. It just don't make you conftown to me. Nor is RC anyway conftown. I see absolutely no scum motivation coming from RC, that's why I don't scumread him. I've consistently nulltownread him and it's not going to change for a while.

This town is only hopeless for two reasons: A: Since KM joined, town discussion has been nothing but the non-newbies fighting about each other's metas, and B: Racer probably flaked out, which means that we don't have an entire slot to read and use for discussion. If we all can put aside our differences (mostly talking to you and RC) then maybe we can actually find scum and progress through this game.
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Post Post #727 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2016 6:19 pm

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look maybe it was extreme of me to say that i was ok with your lynch, but i have scumread you for most of the game. I really do agree with RC's point that a BPT claim is really sketchy but I disagree with lynching you first.
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Post Post #728 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2016 6:21 pm

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In post 725, DoctorPepper wrote:
In post 722, Kaori Miyazono wrote:Dp since when does shutting down help
This town is hopeless. Why even bother? Why bother trying to reason with someone calling you terrible despite them doing absolutely nothing thw day before? Why bother reason with the rest of the town townreading someone who did nothing if note and is convinced Im lying about me being BP. See no matter when I claimed, it would have been suspect because to me it made sense to keep the BP hidden so we might have a chance at another day. If i claimed when RC asked for the claim, maybe I wouldnt be targetted right now. But anytime I claim after, my claim is wonky.

We get giga and kraska auto clearing RC despite doing nothing of note to make him even seem town because the entirety of day 1 he was busy. I get being busy, but theres a point when it makes no sense to assume someone is in the right when they havent done squat. If youre gonna make this a battle between me and RC, lynch me then. Im not gonna burden you with my crappy reads. Let your savior RC save town if you truly believe he's town.
So now do you understand how I feel when you're just sitting there calling me scum and I know I'm town and nothing that I say is making you revisit that whatsoever?
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Post Post #729 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2016 6:23 pm

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In post 726, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:It just
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Post Post #730 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2016 6:23 pm

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See i dont see why you have universal townread status. You constantly flake out with your beliefs and youre afraid to commit to a read.
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Post Post #731 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2016 6:24 pm

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In post 728, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 725, DoctorPepper wrote:
In post 722, Kaori Miyazono wrote:Dp since when does shutting down help
This town is hopeless. Why even bother? Why bother trying to reason with someone calling you terrible despite them doing absolutely nothing thw day before? Why bother reason with the rest of the town townreading someone who did nothing if note and is convinced Im lying about me being BP. See no matter when I claimed, it would have been suspect because to me it made sense to keep the BP hidden so we might have a chance at another day. If i claimed when RC asked for the claim, maybe I wouldnt be targetted right now. But anytime I claim after, my claim is wonky.

We get giga and kraska auto clearing RC despite doing nothing of note to make him even seem town because the entirety of day 1 he was busy. I get being busy, but theres a point when it makes no sense to assume someone is in the right when they havent done squat. If youre gonna make this a battle between me and RC, lynch me then. Im not gonna burden you with my crappy reads. Let your savior RC save town if you truly believe he's town.
So now do you understand how I feel when you're just sitting there calling me scum and I know I'm town and nothing that I say is making you revisit that whatsoever?
You've done nothing to make me think youre town.
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Post Post #732 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2016 7:09 pm

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Heres a tip, instead of constantly complaining about being scumread, do something. Stop pushing dumb policy lynches
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Post Post #733 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2016 7:14 pm

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Screw you mate. If you're going to sit and deathtunnel me then I'll go ahead and lynch you, and yes I will save the town if I don't get nightkilled. Why are you making your bad play my problem while saying mine is mine too?
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Post Post #734 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2016 7:21 pm

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In post 730, DoctorPepper wrote:See i dont see why you have universal townread status. You constantly flake out with your beliefs and youre afraid to commit to a read.
wait at first i thought this was directed at RC but was it actually directed at me?

because i can explain myself if it is
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Post Post #735 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2016 7:31 pm

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In post 733, RadiantCowbells wrote:Screw you mate. If you're going to sit and deathtunnel me then I'll go ahead and lynch you, and yes I will save the town if I don't get nightkilled. Why are you making your bad play my problem while saying mine is mine too?
You keep throwing around the bad play card like someone who was the paragon of mafia hunters day 1 :)

Bring it on. Lynch me.
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Post Post #736 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2016 7:31 pm

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In post 734, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:
In post 730, DoctorPepper wrote:See i dont see why you have universal townread status. You constantly flake out with your beliefs and youre afraid to commit to a read.
wait at first i thought this was directed at RC but was it actually directed at me?

because i can explain myself if it is
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Post Post #737 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2016 7:32 pm

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This is really interesting and I have my thoguts, but my internet is intermitant at best right now, so I can't post until morning. Sorry have fun, dont lynxh anyyone with out me lol
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Post Post #738 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2016 7:35 pm

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In post 733, RadiantCowbells wrote:Screw you mate. If you're going to sit and deathtunnel me then I'll go ahead and lynch you, and yes I will save the town if I don't get nightkilled. Why are you making your bad play my problem while saying mine is mine too?
Im asking you to stop complaining and not push PLs and your response is "screw you" and somehow I am anti town
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Post Post #739 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2016 8:11 pm

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In post 736, DoctorPepper wrote:
In post 734, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:
In post 730, DoctorPepper wrote:See i dont see why you have universal townread status. You constantly flake out with your beliefs and youre afraid to commit to a read.
wait at first i thought this was directed at RC but was it actually directed at me?

because i can explain myself if it is
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House, Kraska, and RC have pretty much been townreads for me the whole game. Foe
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My scumreads all have had very little material to work from, which is the bad thing. MNS was barely active, and Racer's lack of activity is really problematic for town. You're pretty much the only exception, and since the start of the ai_shuuu wagon (maybe around post 340?) you've been moved up to a nullread. I understand you were busy and that could explain some of the actions you were being scumread for, which is why I am not 100% willing to scumread you.

When RC pressured the BPT to come out, I wasn't expecting you to come out. Scum had pretty much no reason to NK you from D1, so your play as a BPT did not really compute with me. With an outed and dead JK, there's no point in really hiding, so when you needed pressure to come out, I was suspicious.
In post 638, RadiantCowbells wrote:I really don't think this is how he'd react if he was actually bulletproof. He claimed under pressure from the person who he was voting and claiming as his #1 scumread.
I don't think that town would do that. It feels more like him knowing that I'm town and getting jumpy about it.
^ This interpretation of the events made sense to me at the time. If you are scum, then I don't see how this isn't what happened. Thing is, from your fight with RC and your reaction to this whole thing, I'm really starting to doubt you're scum.

Also, on policy lynching, I normally hate it, but based on the newbie games I've read from RC, it seems more like a personality thing to suggest than anything alignment indicative. I wouldn't be opposed to it because Kaori gets lynched during lylo, and like RC said, a BPT claim inherently has a 50% chance of being scum, versus everyone else whose chances are much lower (in terms of solely random thinking). It's definitely not something I'm going to encourage, though. My options are stay out of it and not really mind it, or oppose it. By saying that I'm cool with it, I was picking the first option.
In post 625, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:I'm pretty sure the entire wagon vs. ai_shuuuu was town, but if anyone disagrees I'd like to know...
I am now standing by this statement once again. I think the scumteam is KM / Racer at this point but it's mostly process of elimination. If it helps process this better...

{Kraska} - Town
{RC, Fiddler} - Nulltown
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{Racer} - Probably scum but I cannot actually make a scumread with like 9 posts.
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Post Post #740 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2016 8:14 pm

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i'm not really willing to move you past a nullread until kaori answers the question i popcorned btw
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Post Post #741 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2016 8:15 pm

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Heres where I have a problem. Your largest scum read is someone with 9 posts.
Also in what time could I have claimed without it seeming sketchy? When exactly? Because you guys have already built up a bias against me to the point that anytime I would havr claimed would be suspicious
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Post Post #742 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2016 8:16 pm

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Giga, honestly your reads are problematic. You seem like youre afraid to fully commit to a read because everyone is null with leanings, and your main scum read is an inactive person
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Post Post #743 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2016 8:22 pm

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In post 741, DoctorPepper wrote:Heres where I have a problem. Your largest scum read is someone with 9 posts.
Also in what time could I have claimed without it seeming sketchy? When exactly? Because you guys have already built up a bias against me to the point that anytime I would havr claimed would be suspicious
Well there's the reason I voted to lynch Ai_shuuu, Racer was too busy for me to make a good case on him because there's no material to work with. I think he's going to get prodded (or force replaced?) really soon anyway so hopefully I can make a better call on this later.

And, if you didn't want the claim to seem weird, you should have claimed on your first post of the day, as RC asked. Usually with a request like that (and coming from RC who I know would actually try to push a lynch on someone who refused or claimed at the wrong time), I'd be honest and claim immediately. I really do believe your claim, and I really hope we can put this whole conflict aside because the more it goes on the more I think it's TvT.




This is honestly one of the scummiest towns I've dealt with in my experience of mafia and I hate scumreading everyone, that's mostly why everyone's null. Kraska's the only read I'm confident in and I'm pretty sure RC and Fiddler are town. Maybe the tiers should be {Definitely town}, {Most likely town}, and {I guess town but I don't really think I should commit until the question that pretty much determines the side i take on this conflict gets answered}.
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Post Post #744 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2016 8:27 pm

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Like I said. I didnt claim immediately simply because I didnt see the value in it. I claimed when I did because I didnt want to waste time discussing it anymore since youre all set in super RC
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Post Post #745 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2016 8:29 pm

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I think you're overestimating the amount of trust I am placing in RC.
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Post Post #746 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2016 8:30 pm

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I don't think that he believes what he's saying. Town or scum right now he's just trying to manipulate you into changing your read on me. I want to lynch him again. VOTE: Dr Pepper
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Post Post #747 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2016 8:32 pm

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Go for it.
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Post Post #748 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2016 8:33 pm

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You don't even think I'm scum, youre just pissed I keep bringing up how you have brought nothing to this game.

Hey town, i know we don't have a gladiator, but vote between me or RC today. No other options
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Post Post #749 (ISO) » Sat Jul 02, 2016 8:36 pm

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hey RC serious question that i think i asked earlier but got buried

You've been pretty strongly scumreading me throughout day 1, has that changed at all? If so, why? I'm not really concerned about the read itself, it's just that a lot of people have been emphasizing the fact I have "universal townread status" when you and racer have scumread me the whole game.

Sorry to totally divert the topic. Like I kept saying, if this
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