Micro 622: Queen Mafia GAME OVER

[Elyse]

Sure. But I'm town.

I don't know about that

I was townreading you

But not anymore

I think the scumteam is within this group of four:

Aris, FA, Postie, NBL

But then again the Wingback slot is a mystery so idk

Okay your scum team is in a group of four players, when their is nine players total in the game. You have just slightly below 50% of the player base in your group of possible scum.

I really think that is horrible on every level.

Why? I've cut my scum pool in half. What's so horrible about that?

You're literally blowing things up to try to make me look bad and now you're backtracking on your read like I thought you would earlier.

FA jumped up on my scum list.

[TellTaleHeart]

Thought experiment: what if the partner is relatively inactive?

That's precisely why those arguments are garbage. It's reducing something with a million variables into an overly simplistic model.

Okay so he could

possibly

be scum in a world where Iprobablysuck/Wingback is scum.
Is Iprobablysuck/Wingback scum?

Distinct possibility. I'm not townreading the slot.

[Fire Assassin]

I am always interested in your opinions though since I consider you a quality player.

Seriously?

I am sorry, am I flattering you too much?

[Postie]

Distinct possibility. I'm not townreading the slot.

Then shouldn't you be holding off on lynching Aristo until you have a read on that slot?

[TellTaleHeart]

Are you saying I should have what I consider developed reads on

everyone

before voting/lynching? Because If I did that, I would never vote and Day 1s would never end.

[Fire Assassin]

You're literally blowing things up to try to make me look bad and now you're backtracking on your read like I thought you would earlier.

FA jumped up on my scum list.

How am I backtracking on my read?

[Postie]

Are you saying I should have what I consider developed reads on

everyone

before voting/lynching? Because If I did that, I would never vote and Day 1s would never end.

No. I'm saying if someone can only reasonably be scum with one particular person then it makes sense to get a read on both of those people before lynching one of them.

[Elyse]

You're literally blowing things up to try to make me look bad and now you're backtracking on your read like I thought you would earlier.

FA jumped up on my scum list.

How am I backtracking on my read?

"Wow Elyse is terrible for narrowing her scum pool to 4" (lol @ that and you not responding to it) "but that probably makes her town"

You're saying that something I did is bad and then saying I'm probably not scum for it. That's backtracking.

[TellTaleHeart]

Not sure where you're getting that I think he could only reasonably be scum with Wingback.

If you're talking about our conversation just then, that was just

one

of the things wrong with your reasoning that I just thought of off-hand.

[Fire Assassin]

You're literally blowing things up to try to make me look bad and now you're backtracking on your read like I thought you would earlier.

FA jumped up on my scum list.

How am I backtracking on my read?

"Wow Elyse is terrible for narrowing her scum pool to 4" (lol @ that and you not responding to it) "but that probably makes her town"

You're saying that something I did is bad and then saying I'm probably not scum for it. That's backtracking.

Okay? I think what you mean to say is that I am adjusting my reads based on new information, but alright, I am "backtracking"

What do you think of conversation between Postie and TTH right now?

[GuiltyLion]

Actually you know when I went back and re-ISO'd Aristophanes from College Mafia (where he was scum) vs games I've seen him as town (Word Sneak 2, ⅋, Town of Helen), I wasn't sold on his ISO in this game being as scummy as I had thought previously.

I might prefer a Postie lynch, it feels like all this argument defending her opinion about his wagon being a mislynch is coming from a place of her holding onto a need for projected consistency rather than genuine reasoning. Post 356 is particularly bad, because it requires an implicit assumption (that TTH already pointed out) of TTH thinking Aristo can only be scum with Wingback. I don't think town!Postie would automatically make that assumption, it reads to me as if she's forcing it.

VOTE: Postie
I also didn't like her accusing BNL of opportunism.

[Postie]

GL/BNL gg.

[GuiltyLion]

Part of me wanted Aristo to come to thread and post before switching wagons, but I do kinda doubt the scumread on him now that I reread some of his town ISOs. One of those things where writing up your case makes you realize it's not as good as you think it is.

[Postie]

Not sure where you're getting that I think he could only reasonably be scum with Wingback.

If you're talking about our conversation just then, that was just

one

of the things wrong with your reasoning that I just thought of off-hand.

Okay then explain the other things.

I also didn't like her accusing BNL of opportunism.

Why

[Elyse]

You're literally blowing things up to try to make me look bad and now you're backtracking on your read like I thought you would earlier.

FA jumped up on my scum list.

How am I backtracking on my read?

"Wow Elyse is terrible for narrowing her scum pool to 4" (lol @ that and you not responding to it) "but that probably makes her town"

You're saying that something I did is bad and then saying I'm probably not scum for it. That's backtracking.

Okay? I think what you mean to say is that I am adjusting my reads based on new information, but alright, I am "backtracking"

What do you think of conversation between Postie and TTH right now?

Nah I'd call it backtracking. You also still haven't addressed that you called narrowing my scum pool to four horrible despite it being a normal, helpful thing to do. Why did you do that?

I don't care about the Postie/TTH convo. I am noting how you're trying to change the subject.

[GuiltyLion]

Postie, what's the benefit to scum!BNL or scum!GL of hopping to your wagon here? Especially in my case, as I was already on a wagon that has a high chance of going through today.

Not only do I not immediately see the alleged scum!motivation for BNL's vote there, your reaction also seemed panicky as it was literally the second vote on you. When I think of opportunistic votes, I'm thinking middle-end of the wagon, not beginning of the wagon.

[Postie]

Postie, what's the benefit to scum!BNL or scum!GL of hopping to your wagon here? Especially in my case, as I was already on a wagon that has a high chance of going through today.

Not only do I not immediately see the alleged scum!motivation for BNL's vote there, your reaction also seemed panicky as it was literally the second vote on you. When I think of opportunistic votes, I'm thinking middle-end of the wagon, not beginning of the wagon.

Because his jump came instantly after duppin's. He had a townread on me and then as soon as duppin made his case he

suddenly

had all these reasons to scumread me.
Although I do feel like I'm more likely to be wrong on BNL than I am you, and TTH is being pretty bad.

GL/TTH?

[TellTaleHeart]

Okay then explain the other things.

• You could be scum with Ari.
  
• Someone could be bussing.
  
• The partner is simply avoiding the wagon, possibly thinking Ari can handle the pressure or the wagon will die down on its own.

There's some more things I could list off the top of my head, but the theme that unites them is: I'm not an all-knowing goddess or a mind reader and I'm not smart enough to be able to predict with any sort of precision how scum will treat their partner in this situation.

This is why I don't base scumhunting on Day 1 off of associatives. It's an exercise in futility.

[GuiltyLion]

Postie, what's the benefit to scum!BNL or scum!GL of hopping to your wagon here? Especially in my case, as I was already on a wagon that has a high chance of going through today.

Not only do I not immediately see the alleged scum!motivation for BNL's vote there, your reaction also seemed panicky as it was literally the second vote on you. When I think of opportunistic votes, I'm thinking middle-end of the wagon, not beginning of the wagon.

Because his jump came instantly after duppin's. He had a townread on me and then as soon as duppin made his case he

suddenly

had all these reasons to scumread me.
Although I do feel like I'm more likely to be wrong on BNL than I am you, and TTH is being pretty bad.

GL/TTH?

You didn't answer my question. What's the

scum motivation

for BNL to backtrack on his townread and vote you, putting you at L-3? What does he gain from that?

You called it "opportunistic", I'm not seeing the opportunism.

[TellTaleHeart]

Although I do feel like I'm more likely to be wrong on BNL than I am you, and TTH is being pretty bad.

Oh fuck no.

I'm not arrogant enough to buy into your claptrap so now that makes me scum?

VOTE: Postie

[GuiltyLion]

^that's L-1 btw

duppin, BNL, me, TTH

[Postie]

AHAHAHAHAHA

1st Tier Lynchpool:

GuiltyLion

/

TellTaleHeart

2nd Tier Lynchpool:

BulletNLynchproof

/

duppin

Townpool:

Fire Assassin

/

Elyse

/

Wingback

/

Aristophanes

[Postie]

If I die, you lynch in GL/TTH. No exceptions.

[GuiltyLion]

lol are you just trying to emulate RC's scumgame

[Fire Assassin]

lol are you just trying to emulate RC's scumgame

It just soudns like RC in tone and style, I don't think its exclusive to scum or town. This just sounds like RC posting.