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[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 1.06 Eastern Quoll

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Lynching

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to lynch.

Raskolnikov

(L-4): MURDERCAT, Killthestory, dwlee99

Robbnva

(L-5): Raskolnikov, The_Jester

A Simple Plan

(L-5): Vedith, hiplop

dwlee99

(L-6):

hiplop,

Bellaphant

hiplop

(L-6): Dragon of the West

Shadow_Step

(L-6): A Simple Plan

Vedith

(L-6): Shadow_Step

Not Voting

(2): Nachomamma8, Robbnva

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[Raskolnikov]

I'm back early!

[Robbnva]

Welcome back

[Raskolnikov]

VOTE: Robbnva

This maybe jumping to conclusions, but I see unengaging entrances like that statistically more often from scum.

Maybe contradiction isn't the right word but.

"Jumping to conclusions" implies making a decision without facts.

"Statistically more often from scum" implies having facts.

Both can't be correct and used in the same accusation. He/she either had facts to support their claim or doesn't and is jumping to conclusions.

Ahah.
So what I meant was I (from what I remember) have seen scum enter into games like that, because I've had a couple of times where my game ended and I looked back to ISO and they were the people I didn't notice much early because of their sneaky entrances. Not hard facts, and even saying statistically there was a stretch. In my vanity I sometimes talk as though I know what I'm doing when I don't... which is actually pretty bad since it's how I lost a recent game, I'll try to avoid doing that if I can help it.
So I was voting you regardless because from that very limited information you stuck out, but I was unsure as to how. Some people fake-rvs in which they vote strategically but don't express it right away, and some like BBT I see just strong-vote early and even exaggerate in order to draw a reaction. The truth is it's really odd phrasing a "60%" vote, that is, I think this person is slightly scummy but because of all the information I don't have it's really weak and at this point more because there isn't anything better to do. I guess people don't think in weak probability or approach it that way? It's weird because I feel like nowadays I'm almost trained into exaggerating everything because people hate indecisiveness and weak votes weak statements and no commitment. Is this overthinking it?

I like you for you saying your gut reaction would be to vote me but then not doing so as you said, even though you go into why it would qualify. The way in which you express it feels like it makes sense, the "I hate RVSing" mentality fits with you not wanting to vote lightly and in general I don't know why you'd fake this (awk?) situation as scum; also you question my logic rather than just casting shade or doubt in a non interactive way. Not that many people I think consider restraint a towntell and in general it would make sense for you to just countervote there especially as you have alright reasoning for it. I think it's more likely you thought of this and weighed it before deciding, rather than as scum you'd find a contradiction and intentionally not use it, explicitly acting this way which I don't think people usually townread because you think it'll be better this situation. I don't see why you'd be afraid of voting me either if scum unless that vote really did scare you but I doubt it, and your position isn't consistent with buddying either as you're happy encouraging the others to vote. If you gave your reasons but didn't vote AFTER people expressed interest wagoning it would've been different as encouraging wagons without committing to them personally is scum behaviour, but at the time of you saying what you did, there were no votes and there was no reason to believe you thought a wagon was viable or likely there, and scum saying that to encourage a wagon on someone with 0 votes at this gamestage doesn't feel that plausible.

I do think you don't see RVS the same way I or a lot of people I've played with do, though. Murdercat's 72 is more how I'd approach a vote like that, iow
Are they good for having killed rvs (getting game moving -> pro-town) or are they scum doing the same thing for towncred
is the vote weak/low-committment for scum motivation(flexibility) vs are they town just weak voting?
What draws the games from my experience out of RVS is people make at first very weak or exaggerated votes in a sort of "leap of faith" that the next ones are progressively better and in general people see it as a necessary evil to get over with, except for a few people who actually enjoy it, and it has its own quirks and things to look at . I think you not judging this in that approach is odd, but I can definitely buy it with your joindate and activity as maybe a sitemeta thing that changed over time or something... and some people do just look at it differently I think? But if you're town you misunderstanding and disliking it makes sense at least.

[Raskolnikov]

Nacho, where are you at?

Bella too?

People I feel confident reading please post more.

You feel confident reading nachomamma??

[Raskolnikov]

This game is so weird I don't know what to do though.

[Raskolnikov]

I want to vote dwlee but the V/la...

[MURDERCAT]

I've only seen him in one game, but he was pretty townie and it's better than nothing.

[Robbnva]

That's a long post. I'll read it later.

Why dwlee and why does the v/la stop you?

[Dwlee99]

I want to vote dwlee but the V/la...

? My vla started today but I will still have access at nights most likely

[Robbnva]

Ok I read the post and I'm not sure why it had to be so long. Are you typically a wordy person?

Also I did try and look through some of your games to verify and I was able to find 3 games (less than half of the games I looked at) where scum started without an Rvs vote. 1 was an IC, 1 was a really awesome guy who started the game the same way I did, 3. I can't remember who the 3rd was now that I'm typing lol.

[Vedith]

Why hasn't he asked why I'm voting him ?

I don't care why

In fact he hasn't even addressed me directly ..

You are a waste of space

If he thinks I'm scum he would be voting me, which he isn't.

I think ASP is scum. Can you only have 1 scum a time?

So he think I'm town or he simply thinks its NAI, but from his PoV the latter doesn't seem plausible.

Bless... No one thinks you're town. *Pats you on your head*

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[Raskolnikov]

VOTE: Shadow_Step

Is this RVS? At this point robb and me thing happened though.

Hello, everyone, my name is Distortion! You probably haven't met me before, but I'm something you'd probably refer to as an 'alter ego.'

I wanted to discuss some things that were bothering me real quick. First off, high activity wins games. The more town discusses and pushes and does 'townie things,' the higher chance for us to win. Please stay active, and I don't even care what alignment you can be. Activity wins games, and I'm going to try to fulfill that requirement ourselves.

I don't believe in setup spec in closed standard games of Day 1.

Nice to meet some of you players I've never played with, and hi to all the players I have played with!

Hi. This isn't a newbie game. We know this.

Okay, so from these quotes going in order I assume you wrote this post as you went through the thread and picked things that stuck out. Was the rob/me wagons uninteresting or not worth commenting on? Minor but I don't see the priorities here.

Murder is better late game.

Care to offer some supporting evidence? Sounds to me like you're buddying up.

Instinctively, hiplop appears to be in playful town mode; more of a gut read than anything.

Okay, asking KTS for evidence on murder being better late game is really weird. It doesn't feel like a substantial thing to be focusing on in context and as opposed to murder or KTS himself. The buddying isn't even implausible but the notion of wanting evidence I don't understand; as scum buddying he'd still have something to say to back it up?
Giving an instinctive gut-read right after saying this is really cheeky though and something you probably noticed as either alignment. Kind of WIFOMy though.

Vedith is prob scum.

VOTE: Vedith

I'm actually okay with this after a Vedith ISO.

This is hilarious because at the same time you're clarifying your RVS vote is still rvs/not on a scumread you're not voting there or anywhere else, as vedith points out. Did you ISO vedith and thought he was okay for shadow to vote, but "disagreed" or didn't scumread him yourself?

Aside from 94, I don't see anything particularly poor about Dwlee. I would even go so far as to argue that he's playing more to his town-style than in my experience with him.

This is okay, I want to see it if you don't mind though. A bit long winded compared to "I think hes town" or "he's town from my experience of him" but I can't judge for that.

VOTE: dwlee

Dwlee is trying to look useful while being hella useless

This early, it doesn't surprise me. I find it interesting Hiplop offers an explanation without voting, and Bella votes without explaining. Something about the vote from Bella especially feels off.

@Bella: do you have a reason for your vote?

I don't like saying it feels really off without attempting to go into it at all. That and "it's interesting" isn't really saying much here.

[Raskolnikov]

VOTE: ASP

Eeeehh. It looked worse on first impression than now but there's nothing better?

[Raskolnikov]

I like robb, also murder and dragon for town.
Dwlee I researched in a previous game and I remember him in his scum games being obvscum under pressure and caught d1 by people familiar with him so I'd want him wagoned just to see if that'll happen here but screw it.
Vedith's alright.
Shadow I'll revisit.

KTS is being obnoxious and jester just has posts doing his jester shtick... sadly nai
I really want nacho more involved, though I'll definitely fail to read him his posts are at least very interesting to read and part of why I in'd was to play with him again...
Bellaphant's too reserved as well but the dwlee vote is okay in context.
fuck if I know anything about hiphop

[Raskolnikov]

VOTE: dwlee

Dwlee is trying to look useful while being hella useless

This early, it doesn't surprise me.

I find it interesting Hiplop offers an explanation without voting

, and Bella votes without explaining. Something about the vote from Bella especially feels off.

@Bella: do you have a reason for your vote?

I don't like saying it feels really off without attempting to go into it at all. That and "it's interesting" isn't really saying much here.

Actually this is also wrong since hiplop did have dwlee voted. I was looking more on bella there than hiplop but with you instinctive gut-reading him I assume you would've noticed his vote.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: A simple plan

[Raskolnikov]

Ok I read the post and I'm not sure why it had to be so long. Are you typically a wordy person?

Also I did try and look through some of your games to verify and I was able to find 3 games (less than half of the games I looked at) where scum started without an Rvs vote. 1 was an IC, 1 was a really awesome guy who started the game the same way I did, 3. I can't remember who the 3rd was now that I'm typing lol.

It's more about unengaging/quiet entrances than an explicit vote or lack of vote. It's really just that people who come in and chat a bit are probably more relaxed and unless I think one of those come off really phony I'll prefer them to nakedvotes or the really quiet entrances, though it really isn't a big deal overall either way and more something to settle on that early.

I'm pretty sure you're town now though if you think I'm weird this early I can tell you already it doesn't get any better.

[Nachomamma8]

don't worry about me rasko, i'll be back tomorrow

i like your entrance though!

[Robbnva]

I actually like the votes on asp

[Raskolnikov]

I-it's not like I was worried or anything!

[Raskolnikov]

VOTE: A simple plan

Is this sheeping or do you have a read here?

[Plotinus]

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[The_Jester]

Welp, I was just going through the thread

[Vedith]

Welp, I was just going through the thread

Anything catch your attention?