New York 196: My Game, My Flavor Mafia (Mafia Win)

[Dunnstral]

Also I don't want to get Titus

[Dunnstral]

podoboq, do you have a special reason to trust beeboy's miller claim as well? Just wondering

[kraska77]

@titus im not going to hold you scumreading mirhawk against you bc his push on dunn didnt make sense until he claimed

It still doesn't make snese, he basically said "Dunn thought there was a doctor on him, but I'm doctor and wasn't on him!" when a jailkeeper already announced that they were on me anyway and it's just a dumb reason in general

what i took from mirhawk's last post is he doesnt buy almost50's claim

[Boem_u_dusi]

UNVOTE:

jesus fucking christ

[Boem_u_dusi]

This makes no sense, everyone will just claim something when at L-1. Varsoon is vouching for Mirhawk so that's fine I guess.

[Almost50]

@Almost50 i recall podokhkjfjkl also saying neoplotian is not a strong role way back, I don't see how he would know this if he were scum

The only conclusion I could come up with is he himself has a useless TPR that gives scum a positive on him. In fact, it is this precise reason that is keeping me from voting him right now bc I'm not town reading anyone on Titus wagon except for Varsoon.

Now let me stick my neck out (and get it chopped for it), but why do I get the feeling you're suggesting Scum!podoq would know that also?? Do you think they received a "Hey, you're Mafia Neapolitan, but I've deliberately given most players some useless roles so that they would not investigate VT to you." kind of PM? Because I think it would be outrageously ridiculous if Scum were told about it beforehand. It would explain the bus and all (i.e. would make some of the voters on Vedith more likely scum) but I don't believe mods are likely to go through the trouble of picking all the roles and then telling the Mafia about their existence.

[Dunnstral]

what i took from mirhawk's last post is he doesnt buy almost50's claim

I kind of do though

If you looked back at why he had claimed, it's because I was saying I vigged lapsa and he was jailkeeping me and the mafia targetted lapsa (still think he shouldn't have claimed but whatever)

[Dunnstral]

Yeah uh I didn't realize we were in role madness btw; everyone is either a pr or softing one it feels like or some negative utility role

[Titus]

Almost, that was sarcasm. I don't believe the mod told Almost50'about their roles. Scum would know a neopolitan's power based on their other roles. The Neopolitan is useless to scum sounds too smart by half.

[Dunnstral]

I think podo is town ^^

Somebody present a good lynch

I would not at all mind getting peregrine

[Boem_u_dusi]

Yeah uh I didn't realize we were in role madness btw; everyone is either a pr or softing one it feels like or some negative utility role

I claim Vanilla Townie.

[Titus]

if we are not lynching Wake/podog/k77, I don't mind PV.

[kraska77]

Now let me stick my neck out (and get it chopped for it), but why do I get the feeling you're suggesting Scum!podoq would know that also?? Do you think they received a "Hey, you're Mafia Neapolitan, but I've deliberately given most players some useless roles so that they would not investigate VT to you." kind of PM? Because I think it would be outrageously ridiculous if Scum were told about it beforehand. It would explain the bus and all (i.e. would make some of the voters on Vedith more likely scum) but I don't believe mods are likely to go through the trouble of picking all the roles and then telling the Mafia about their existence.

not even going to pretend i follow your thought process if you think im suggesting that

[Dunnstral]

Yeah uh I didn't realize we were in role madness btw; everyone is either a pr or softing one it feels like or some negative utility role

I claim Vanilla Townie.

[kraska77]

yeah ive had enough internet for today bye guys

[kraska77]

UNVOTE:
titus is being too ridiculous to be scum i guess

[Boem_u_dusi]

Yeah uh I didn't realize we were in role madness btw; everyone is either a pr or softing one it feels like or some negative utility role

I claim Vanilla Townie.

Why facepalm? Either I'm the only VT in the game or we're not in role madness.

[Boem_u_dusi]

Anyway, I can always retract it and claim some other bullshit if I get close to L-1. That's motif of this game.

[implosion]

Vote: PeregrineV

I guess even if A50 might be lying there isn't a ton of sense lynching him today. It's possible the setup is just flooded with protective PRs.

[Almost50]

Okay.

So I believe Varsoon's claim. I also can't imagine a moderator thinking of backup nurse as something to put in a setup unless there was actually a nurse.

But there's a simple problem here. Even night doctor + nurse + backup nurse + jailkeeper is just a ridiculous amount of town protective roles at first sight. Honestly, this is making me question Almost50's claim the most. I'm willing to bet that all of the doc roles are town, having all four of those as town roles would be a really strange amount of protective power and having one of the doc-nurse-backupnurse be scum would be really strange. I'm willing to call Varsoon 99.9% town, and Mirhawk somewhat likely town. Given the 1-shot vig being likely the only town killing role, the jailkeeper also makes more sense as scum than any of the doc roles. I doubt that scum would have a dedicated protective role to protect themselves against a lone 1-shot vig. The other possibility is that we are in multiball but I really don't think that's worth considering until we see a significant amount of concrete evidence.

I want to seriously re-evaluate Almost50's claim.

You can re-evaluate all you want, but I have a question for you:

Please explain why can't the Backup Nurse actually exist w/o a Nurse in play, for the sole purpose of giving a false to the already proven to have existed Scum Neapolitan?

I'm actually holding one more card close to my chest in case I'm being wagoned AGAIN for such a reason as "I can't imagine a moderator doing this". I could not imagine a moderator thinking of Varsoon's last game setup and I wouldn't have still if I wasn't in it too! Mods are like artists, and the more eccentric they get the more enjoyable the game is bc it becomes unpredictable.

[Boem_u_dusi]

I retract my Vanilla Townie claim

[Boem_u_dusi]

No, I'm seriously Vanilla Townie.

[implosion]

because what moderator in their right mind would conceive of the idea of a backup nurse without a nurse

if they were going for something like that they would just put a nurse without a doctor or a deputy without a cop. Those are sort of standby choices (along with miller) for moderators looking to add a named townie to a setup. They wouldn't think of it.

[Boem_u_dusi]

LOL no I retract this time definitely

[Boem_u_dusi]

No, I'm Vanilla Townie.