Open 646 - Semi Nightless - Game Over (D6)

Luna Fox · Post Post #2 (isolation #0) » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:20 am

Shouldn't we be confirming role PMs instead of confirming to receive role PMs?
I don't understand, but /confirm i guess

Luna Fox · Post Post #11 (isolation #1) » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:35 am

The game hasnt even started yet and im already having fun reading all these posts XD

Luna Fox · Post Post #26 (isolation #2) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 5:03 am

Oh game began already? Why no daystart pm, tojam pls.

Hello everyone!

Luna Fox · Post Post #30 (isolation #3) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 5:41 am

In post 27, Io wrote:VOTE: Luna Fox
Clearly you're trying to defend your scum buddy by ignoring the votes placed upon him.

I am not igonring the votes placed upon him, i just dont vote until i have a certain ammount of townreads to PoE the game.

Luna Fox · Post Post #31 (isolation #4) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 5:42 am

In post 28, Thor665 wrote:
In post 27, Io wrote:VOTE: Luna Fox
Clearly you're trying to defend your scum buddy by ignoring the votes placed upon him.
That logic would make Transcend scum - so why aren't you voting the larger wagon?

Also i like the logic thor portrays here.

Luna Fox · Post Post #34 (isolation #5) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 5:48 am

In post 33, Killthestory wrote:quickhammer within 5 pages

Why?

Luna Fox · Post Post #38 (isolation #6) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 5:51 am

In post 35, Killthestory wrote:because i said so

Once again why?

I hope we dont go into an endless loop like last time with you arguing with me about me getting gut townreads.

Luna Fox · Post Post #41 (isolation #7) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 5:58 am

In post 39, Killthestory wrote:gut townreads are great.

i don't think you're playing with the same player as you were before.

Good to know, i've also changed a bit since our last game ^_^

Luna Fox · Post Post #45 (isolation #8) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:36 am

In post 42, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:1. Do you get your reads typically from gut or evidence?

2. How would you describe your level of experience?

3. When trying to get a better read on a specific player, do prefer you reread the entire thread or just their ISO?

4. What's your Myers-briggs personality type? Here's a link to a test for it if you don't know yours, but you can skip this one if you don't feel like wasting time.

I ask this because a lot of my scumhunting comes from putting myself into other player's shoes and using that to figure out their motives, so knowing how someone thinks is useful for that. I don't really know how successful this'll be but it's worth a shot!

5. What's your opinion on Lynch All Liars? Lynch All Lurkers? Policy lynches in general?

6. Do you think it's a good idea to utilize all of the time allotted by a deadline?

7. Are you scum?

1) Mostly gut, but sometimes evidence (like counterwagons, etc) plays a big part.

2) Moderate.

3 )Multi-ISO or ISO.

4) Apparently protagonist ^_^;;

5) I dont like policy lynching, and i dont think that Lynch all lurkers is specifically policy.

6) I feel it's a good idea to utilize whatever i feel it's necessary.

7) No

Counterquestion to 7. Do you think scum would say Yes?

Luna Fox · Post Post #54 (isolation #9) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 7:22 am

I mean, im outgoing etc irl, but im not sure im the same in mafia although im usually a very active poster, and i dont consider myself that charismatic in mafia.
Most of the stuff i've read about it seems true about me however XD
Didn't know about this personality test so thanks for showing it to me, I hope that helps you read me in the long run.

Luna Fox · Post Post #59 (isolation #10) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 7:42 am

Io maybe town.

Luna Fox · Post Post #60 (isolation #11) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 7:42 am

also i have a townread on gygabyte.

Luna Fox · Post Post #67 (isolation #12) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 7:53 am

Nah he's right about the math.
But he's wrong about that it's only whoever they are voting.

If you have a townread statistically everyone else is more likely to be scum.
I would really like to hear the logic behind the math wrt Kanos.

Luna Fox · Post Post #68 (isolation #13) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 7:54 am

In post 65, Thor665 wrote:I haven't made a random vote at any time in this game.
Nor will I.

Actually this makes sense with the vote, sooooo nvm.

Luna Fox · Post Post #71 (isolation #14) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 8:00 am

Here let me help you.
He's townreading you, ergo everyone else has a higher chance of being scum if he's right.
He's not random voting.

There's your answer.
P-Edit: @Gygabyte

Luna Fox · Post Post #74 (isolation #15) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 8:07 am

In post 72, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:It's null, some people think that RQS is just fluff (or even scummy, I've seen in some games :/)

I've been guilty of this, because RQS usually looks like busywork.
What sold me was your question 4, I think it's a good thing because putting yourself in other shoes by knowing their personality helps you read them much more easily and that feels Pro-Town to me.

Luna Fox · Post Post #93 (isolation #16) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:37 am

In post 90, Transcend wrote:Oh and also i fos luna fox for early defense on me

I defended you?

Luna Fox · Post Post #95 (isolation #17) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:39 am

In post 94, Transcend wrote:
In post 33, Killthestory wrote:quickhammer within 5 pages

In post 34, Luna Fox wrote:
In post 33, Killthestory wrote:quickhammer within 5 pages
Why?
Just a lil red flag to me my friend that i tried to lynch in a marathon game but got nked by.

So, do you agree with quicklynching someone you're null on within 5 pages?

Luna Fox · Post Post #99 (isolation #18) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:43 am

In post 97, Transcend wrote:I think no one does and most likely i wasn't gonna actually get hammered. So your reaction to what kts said feels scummy.

So, because i questioned someone for wanting a quicklynch on someone im null-reading, im scum.
Because apparently that's easier to do than just not comment at all.

Luna Fox · Post Post #101 (isolation #19) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:52 am

In post 100, Transcend wrote:
Luna Fox wrote:
In post 97, Transcend wrote:I think no one does and most likely i wasn't gonna actually get hammered. So your reaction to what kts said feels scummy.
So, because i questioned someone for wanting a quicklynch on someone im null-reading, im scum.
Because apparently that's easier to do than just not comment at all.
to me it read more like "i'm defending this slot that i know is town from getting flashwagoned" than "we shouldn't hammer right away".

Well sure, but wouldnt it benefit a supposed scum me to not defend a town slot and watch it get quicklynched anyway?
Question to you:
Why wont Town me who doesnt know your and KTS alignment's see it as a questionable action?

Luna Fox · Post Post #103 (isolation #20) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:00 am

In post 102, Transcend wrote:1. I wasn't getting QH'd more likely than not. I think if you are scum and you didn't defend me it would look better on your persona honestly.

2. Why are you so defensive over a fos I have based on one thing? KTS is a seasoned player, I've played with him before. He's probably smart enough to not actually let me get flashwagoned. At most it was just overblown RVS and you white-knighting me looks forced. I personally didn't find his actions questionable and I'm not sure why you did.

1. Yeah it would, and its more than likely what i've done as scum, but lol self-meta.

2. Because i form reads via interaction, i questioned your motives, i prodded you to see if they are genuine, idc how seasoned KTS is, or whether they'd actually go through with it, i questioned YOUR motives in your read of me. Because at initial gut it looks like scum looking for a quick swipe on town. Why should i be townreading you?

Luna Fox · Post Post #106 (isolation #21) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:06 am

Honestly tho Transcend's logic is so far out there.
That i hardly believe they'd try to mislynch me with it.
So maybe they're prob town.

Luna Fox · Post Post #108 (isolation #22) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:10 am

In post 96, karnos wrote:
In post 89, Io wrote:
In post 84, karnos wrote:If you really think I was trying to argue that Thor & I actually are both scum, please just quick lynch me now, I don't want to be a part of this town.
But that's not what I was saying. I was saying you were claiming to want him lynched and claiming to have never pushed for his lynched at the same time.
I think you are lying. Didn't you say town doesn't have a good reason to lie in this setup?

"don't see a reason to really lie as town this game as there is no power roles to lie about"

Yes, you did.

VOTE: Io

I dont think they're necessarily lying, but i think they need to explain it better because i also dont know what they're referring to

Luna Fox · Post Post #110 (isolation #23) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:12 am

Speaking of Q5, do ppl even get policy lynched anymore? I thought that's why WotO and WotC exist ^^;;

Luna Fox · Post Post #112 (isolation #24) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:15 am

Oh, so now the argument is buddying, ok

Luna Fox · Post Post #114 (isolation #25) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:20 am

Whatever floats your boat, but just because something is NAI to you, doesnt mean it should be NAI to me.
And i'd argue that questioning you about accusing me of something i hadn't done isnt "super defensive".

Luna Fox · Post Post #116 (isolation #26) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:24 am

Ok, now, do you have any reads other than your fos on me.

Luna Fox · Post Post #118 (isolation #27) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:28 am

What do you think about Karnos 96 then.

Luna Fox · Post Post #123 (isolation #28) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:32 am

In post 120, Transcend wrote:nothing at all other than his vote is probably wrong.

Are you srs.
He's boldly accusing your townread of lying.

Luna Fox · Post Post #127 (isolation #29) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:43 am

I agree it's wrong, i think its probably some misunderstanding/misrepresentation going around and i mentioned that earlier, but i wanted to know your opinion.

Luna Fox · Post Post #137 (isolation #30) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:03 pm

It's only been 6 hours since KTS's post, chill.

Luna Fox · Post Post #142 (isolation #31) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:22 pm

Yeah karnos might be town. 139 looks like newbtown attitude to me.
One question tho, do you seriously think that Scum!Thor would vote you just as a sheep and say that he's sheeping and make himself the center of attention like that? I'm not sure how good Thor is or isnt as scum, but i don't think an experienced player would make that kind of move, so im on the fence there.

I already explained my thoughts regarding the sheep, because i think it makes more sense if that's what actually happened.

Luna Fox · Post Post #151 (isolation #32) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:23 am

Tbh i think you guys are underestimating scum mindsets and overestimating town mindsets, and that is fine, i see that all the time. But when someone does something stupid, it's most likely town ^^

Luna Fox · Post Post #153 (isolation #33) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:28 am

In post 152, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:
In post 151, Luna Fox wrote:Tbh i think you guys are underestimating scum mindsets and overestimating town mindsets, and that is fine, i see that all the time. But when someone does something stupid, it's most likely town ^^
How's your PoE going?

3 townreads and 1 strong townread.

Still a long ways to go.

Luna Fox · Post Post #154 (isolation #34) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:32 am

If you want specifics, townreads are Transcend, Karnos, Io.
Strong townread is you (Gigabyte),

Luna Fox · Post Post #159 (isolation #35) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:41 am

I really would like for others to post more often.
Been trying to asses Thor's posts, but i have a hard time leaning either way, like all his posts make sense, but it's not like scum couldn't make them mostly coz they also make sense.
Dunno if that makes any sense, my gut's screaming town tho.

Luna Fox · Post Post #177 (isolation #36) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 11:28 am

I guess KTS doesn't do sarcasm.
I like Tenshii on maybe town.

Luna Fox · Post Post #184 (isolation #37) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:20 pm

In post 183, karnos wrote:You are pushing this inane theory that you are really good at town-reading people but really bad at scum reading them, which doesn't pass muster. There is no inherent difference between a scum read and a town read, they both measure the same thing, but town is on the positive scale and scum is on the negative.

I disagree!
I town hunt because im better at finding town than scum!

Luna Fox · Post Post #188 (isolation #38) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:25 pm

In post 187, karnos wrote:*banging head against wall*

If you can find town, then by process of elimination you found scum too. The process is identical.

The conclusion is identical, the process is different.
If anything i'd argue that process of elimination gets better results than scumreading ppl for silly things.

Luna Fox · Post Post #190 (isolation #39) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:31 pm

In my case i only use 4 ranks "Super town" "Strong town" "Townreads" and "Leftovers" i usually lynch within the left overs, and "Super town" are people im 100% sure dont need reevaluation to the point of risking the game.

I just find myself better at noticing patterns in tone and posting that mean town, because when i try to find patterns that i think are scummy, i end up making silly accusations or mislynch people more often.
Also i feel like i had this same discussion in another game months ago, right KTS?

Luna Fox · Post Post #191 (isolation #40) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:33 pm

Regardless, that's really tangential.
Karnos argues that you cant be bad at scumreading people but good at townreading people because it's the same thing.
Which isn't true, imo.

Luna Fox · Post Post #194 (isolation #41) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:42 pm

In post 193, karnos wrote:
In post 191, Luna Fox wrote:Regardless, that's really tangential.
Karnos argues that you cant be bad at scumreading people but good at townreading people because it's the same thing.
Which isn't true, imo.
I'm sorry you are in denial here, but you are wrong. The process of scum hunting means looking at every player, and picking out the one who seems least likely to flip town. There is no difference at all between reading scum and reading town.

Not really.
While yes i'd be picking the one least likely to flip town, what you usually use as your process of scumhunting is picking a post or series of posts that look scummy, and vote the player.
Now let's see here what you usually define as "scummy" can be done by both Town and Scum, there's no way you wont make mislynches if you just guide yourself with "scummyness" to vote players.
Which is why i go to the opposite, i try to find genuinity and transparency, as well as general trends that i find townie, because imo scum needs to be really good to fake anything like that.
These process are entirely different, the conclusion is the same, the only difference is that the reason for the "scumreads" is "PoE" on my case.

(Oh and btw, usually scum players latch onto "Scummyness" of town players to generate mislynches)

Luna Fox · Post Post #196 (isolation #42) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:43 pm

In other news.
Regardless what's happening here is a difference on opinion, and i don't think it's adding anything to the game, if you want to argue otherwise then by all means continue with this debate of scumhunting vs townhunting, but i think it will only end up in a loop.

Luna Fox · Post Post #199 (isolation #43) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:58 pm

In post 197, karnos wrote:Anyway, hypothetical question: Is there any player you do not town-read right now? Can you point at any post they made and say that was part of the reason why you don't town read them? If so, you successfully read a player as scummy! Congratulations.

Answer: If X player im not townreading is because they havent given any town vibes on any other posts, not specific posts.

Luna Fox · Post Post #200 (isolation #44) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:58 pm

In post 197, karnos wrote:Are you making the claim that your method never results in a miss-lynch?

No, but it has a high success rate so far.

Luna Fox · Post Post #201 (isolation #45) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:59 pm

The only time i've ever voted for someone without finishing PoE is if the day's gonna end and compromise is needed, and even then, i wont vote someone im townreading.

Luna Fox · Post Post #219 (isolation #46) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:10 pm

In post 218, Kcdaspot wrote:Or shall it be killthestory calling for a lynch by page 5?

Oh noes!
be careful coz Transcend is now gonna scumread you for "defending" him!

Luna Fox · Post Post #223 (isolation #47) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:14 pm

Also i never mentioned i expected to have my PoE list finished in D1, where did you get that idea from?

Luna Fox · Post Post #228 (isolation #48) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:17 pm

In post 224, Kcdaspot wrote:PoE in of itself is scummy broseph. the fact you trying it D1 is PAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

If you say so.

Luna Fox · Post Post #233 (isolation #49) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:24 pm

In post 232, Killthestory wrote:Don't be mean about how others play the game. All approaches to the game are allowed and fully encouraged. Just because someone isn't doing a common strategy doesn't make them any less of a player or person. Be nice.

I like how you've improved since the last time we played ^_^

Luna Fox · Post Post #235 (isolation #50) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:25 pm

In post 234, Kcdaspot wrote:OHBOYOHBOYOHBOY KTS FRONT LIKE HE A SASSY LIL GIRL

Please play nice.

Luna Fox · Post Post #240 (isolation #51) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:36 pm

So your style is to create a toxic environment?

Luna Fox · Post Post #242 (isolation #52) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:39 pm

In post 241, Kcdaspot wrote:hey i came from the school of fate and kuribo.

That explains everything.
Thanks for letting me know

Luna Fox · Post Post #244 (isolation #53) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:42 pm

In post 241, Kcdaspot wrote:again i can be nice but this spastic style of mine forces reaction which scum have trouble with. even if I dont find the scum straight away whoever interacts with me give themselves up to better scumhunters like my main man Papa smurf

And what if you're scum.
Doesn't this spastic style of yours help you hide it?

Luna Fox · Post Post #246 (isolation #54) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:44 pm

I'll believe you when you do indeed catch some scum, but as of right now, i find your style pretty anti-town.

Luna Fox · Post Post #248 (isolation #55) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:50 pm

kc maybe town.

Luna Fox · Post Post #249 (isolation #56) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:51 pm

Funny i dont even have a townread on KTS yet.

Luna Fox · Post Post #258 (isolation #57) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:28 pm

It doesnt ignore them in mafia games, it does ignore them everywhere else.

Luna Fox · Post Post #262 (isolation #58) » Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:40 pm

I'm way too nice to be annoyed by his playstyle tbh.
But toxic environments lead to stuff like 260, but at this point not much can be done other than ask the mod to do something about it or replace out.

Now the issue is that we're talking about his toxicity instead of his alignment, and that's bad.

Luna Fox · Post Post #295 (isolation #59) » Sun Jul 17, 2016 6:09 am

Well they do say people do make more AI posts when near death.
And i haven't felt any towny vibes in anything Karnos is doing.

But...
I think that everyone hates being scumread, why even bring that up?

Luna Fox · Post Post #297 (isolation #60) » Sun Jul 17, 2016 6:23 am

In post 296, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:
In post 295, Luna Fox wrote:I think that everyone hates being scumread, why even bring that up?
It's the only possible town motivation I can see for Karnos acting the way he is at like L-3 (he's at L-2 now but the point is there wasn't too much pressure on him)

Well technically there are a lot of other possibilities.
Town that actually believes what they're saying.
Scum that's going down swinging/flailing in hopes for their wagon to vanish.

I thought his weird logic for scumreading Thor at first was stupid, but townie. Because i see this happen everywhere and that's how mislynches happen.
I'm more concerned about PC voting him and sitting on the sidelines, while questioning KC on their townread of Thor that's voting with them, if they were any concerned about Karnos alignment, you'd think they'd be sorting this debate out more.

Luna Fox · Post Post #299 (isolation #61) » Sun Jul 17, 2016 6:31 am

In post 298, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:I'm really feeling that PC and Karnos are different alignments

I concur.
Except i currently think that Karnos is the town of the 2.
I kinda wanna see more from PC in general tbh.

Luna Fox · Post Post #301 (isolation #62) » Sun Jul 17, 2016 6:41 am

Tenshii's town.
Even tho i don't agree with their vote.

Luna Fox · Post Post #303 (isolation #63) » Sun Jul 17, 2016 6:49 am

In post 302, Tenshii wrote:Why don't you agree with it?

Do you think Scum!KC domes and desides to antagonize a supposed Town!KTS whom apparently some ppl are townreading, instead of Town!Karnos as you read him that is being wagoned?
Seems like a good spot to land in.

Luna Fox · Post Post #308 (isolation #64) » Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:01 am

In post 306, Tenshii wrote:KTS was only scumread by you

Incorrect, i do not have a scumread on KTS, but i dont townread them either.

Luna Fox · Post Post #310 (isolation #65) » Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:02 am

In post 307, Transcend wrote:PC is trying to run him up in votes tho.

So do you agree with my 297 ?

Luna Fox · Post Post #318 (isolation #66) » Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:07 am

In post 316, Tenshii wrote:Btw, that still doesn't prove Luna's point about KTS being townread

Hmm maybe I misunderstood the position KTS was in, i guess all that "i'm obvtown" got to me subconsciously.

Luna Fox · Post Post #323 (isolation #67) » Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:11 am

In post 321, PhantomCobalt wrote:Imo Thor v karnos is tvt

VOTE: PC

Luna Fox · Post Post #326 (isolation #68) » Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:14 am

In post 325, PhantomCobalt wrote:
In post 323, Luna Fox wrote:
In post 321, PhantomCobalt wrote:Imo Thor v karnos is tvt
VOTE: PC
What's scummy about it? Or do you just disagree?

You're voting your supposed townread

Luna Fox · Post Post #367 (isolation #69) » Sun Jul 17, 2016 11:13 am

Btw in case you guys arent following

Strong townreads: Tenshii and gigabyte
Townreads: Karnos, Thor, Transcend, KC, Io.
Leftovers: KTS, Rosske, PC

Luna Fox · Post Post #370 (isolation #70) » Sun Jul 17, 2016 12:26 pm

I feel like we have language barriers here.

Luna Fox · Post Post #408 (isolation #71) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:39 am

I think the argument between Thor and Roske has been overblown way out of proportion, i dont even see them commenting on anything else that's going on and it's starting to worry me.

Luna Fox · Post Post #409 (isolation #72) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:39 am

I mean Thor and Karnos derp

Luna Fox · Post Post #411 (isolation #73) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 6:04 am

In post 410, Thor665 wrote:Name something you think I should have commented on that I haven't?

I'm townreadingy you, I'm also townreading Karnos.
I pointed out someone who may be sitting on the sidelines watching a TvT and made an argument out of that.
But it completely went over your head.
I feel like you're so focused on your tunnel that you aren't paying attention to what other people are doing unless it's related to your debate with Karnos.

Luna Fox · Post Post #416 (isolation #74) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 6:55 am

I feel like all sides are an argument that got blown out of proportion, It's not uncommon for town to make mistakes in interpretation, the way it sparked all 3 of you (Thor, Karnos and Io) read town to me, albeit Thor was gut, because it looks like the normal kind of debate that leads to mislynches over silly things, meanwhile PC stepped in conveniently RVS'd one of the sides of the argument and then went away, only to come back later on and call it TvT without retracting his vote.

I'm not the holy grail of reads, but i believe that you guys need to pay more attention about everything else happening even if it's unrelated to your argument, because your argument is giving scum a lot of places to hide.

Luna Fox · Post Post #435 (isolation #75) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:53 pm

Wake me up when you guys decide to lynch scum.

Luna Fox · Post Post #439 (isolation #76) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:02 pm

All this TvT is boring me, i wanna flip scum PC.

Luna Fox · Post Post #441 (isolation #77) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:05 pm

Because there's literally 3 people im not townreading and he's one of them, not to mention his whole sitting out the TvT while parking his vote on one of them.

Luna Fox · Post Post #444 (isolation #78) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:12 pm

I'm not going to appease you if that's what you're wondering.
I presented my arguments already.
You choose not to believe them.
I do not trust your arguments either because i have seen nothing town on the slot.

We disagree, if you think that's worth lynching me then come at me.

P-Edit: As expected

Luna Fox · Post Post #448 (isolation #79) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:34 am

Funny you say that coz i think Karnos is the bait here.

Luna Fox · Post Post #450 (isolation #80) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:36 am

Granted i stopped reading the walls because all of you read town to me, and after a while i felt like i was listening to a song on autoloop

A: you lied
B: no you
C: no you
D: no you
A: no you

And so on.

Luna Fox · Post Post #456 (isolation #81) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:02 am

In post 453, Tenshii wrote:
In post 452, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:i'm going to fact check this when i get time but i'm pretty sure lynchbait isn't widely townread by all but three people
(as in fact check if karækns is widely townread)
Not being townread doesn't justify a lynch. But being scumread does.

PoE justifies, it's the same thing.

Luna Fox · Post Post #460 (isolation #82) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:00 am

459 is reaching.

Luna Fox · Post Post #465 (isolation #83) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:56 pm

In post 464, Killthestory wrote:town loses this game if they continue to play the way they're playing.

For once i agree with something you're saying.

Luna Fox · Post Post #468 (isolation #84) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:00 pm

In post 467, Rosske wrote:I can tell you want to vote Io.

So do it.

Nope:

In post 367, Luna Fox wrote:Btw in case you guys arent following

Strong townreads: Tenshii and gigabyte
Townreads: Karnos, Thor, Transcend, KC, Io.
Leftovers: KTS, Rosske, PC

On other news i think i may be wrong on Karnos, and you're looking more town.

Luna Fox · Post Post #469 (isolation #85) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:01 pm

Meanwhile PC is still lurking his wagon away, by posting on the site and avoiding this thread.

Luna Fox · Post Post #471 (isolation #86) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:07 pm

270 and 399
Which are posts i had missed before somehow, but read them when Transcend tried to accuse him of contradicting himself (there is no contradiction btw), i just didnt think it made it town enough at the time to be with my townreads, plus i like always having at least Scum Ammount+1 on left overs. Now with Karnos reaching it's possible that Karnos is scum which killed my townread there, but i think PC's more likely to flip scum due to intentionally avoiding this thread after getting heat.

Luna Fox · Post Post #473 (isolation #87) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:16 pm

Well Apathy is mainly caused by:
Lots of text to read (mainly all those walls, heck im not even reading half of them anymore).
Mountainous (This type of setup tends to cause Apathy).

I think tho, that the lack of PRs should give ppl more incentive to give it all out, not to hide in a corner, but considering my reads with the exception of the change in Karnos read, where i think that's all a bunch of TvT, it makes sense for scum to lurk it out.

Luna Fox · Post Post #475 (isolation #88) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:33 pm

You aren't even making any sense u.u

Luna Fox · Post Post #477 (isolation #89) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:39 pm

Acquiesced?

Luna Fox · Post Post #479 (isolation #90) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:41 pm

In post 478, Transcend wrote:Accepted without protest.

Except i've been protesting the Karnos wagon all the time, until his last post.
And my vote is still on PC and i've given my reasons.

Luna Fox · Post Post #483 (isolation #91) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:19 am

In post 482, Killthestory wrote:Who's your biggest scumread

In the "biggest scumread" kind of sense, PhantomCobalt is the one i think it's more likely to flip scum out of my non townreads.

In post 482, Killthestory wrote:and who's your biggest townread.

Gygabyte.

In post 482, Killthestory wrote:Which wagons would you agree to vote on, and which wagons wouldn't you agree with?

Current reads stand at:

Strong townreads: Tenshii and gigabyte
Townreads: Thor, Transcend, KC, Io, Rosske
Leftovers: KTS, Karnos, PC

Luna Fox · Post Post #485 (isolation #92) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:33 am

Thor is the only gut read i have there, i explained this in a post way earlier.
Rosske, i explained in the previous page, they only became a townread recently.
Io: Their vote on me and the way they answered the RQS, plus they seem to really believethey found scum, i kinda find their posts genuine, although not like SCREAMING town genuine, but towny.

(Also im surprised no one asked me about Io until now since i've been townreading them for a while)

Luna Fox · Post Post #487 (isolation #93) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:46 am

In post 486, Killthestory wrote:Rosske hasn't done much to deserve a townread. A couple filler posts, no real scumhunting, etc.

The 2 posts i mentioned.
The first he seems to agree that your reactions to KC were scummy, tho i dont necessarily agree with that, obviously you'd disagree.
And the 2nd is basically asking Roske to put his vote where his mouth is.

Dunno how these feel scum motivated to you as opposed to... PC who parked a vote in someone during the TvT then called it TvT without retracting his vote, and as soon as he got flak he decided to lurk it out. He's literally been posting elsewhere on the site and avoiding this tread.

Luna Fox · Post Post #489 (isolation #94) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:02 am

In post 488, Killthestory wrote:PC is definitely scummy, but that doesn't mean Rosske can't be scummy either.

Rosske has literally done nothing to deserve a townread. No original or valid opinions, and nothing of substance from him.

He's still on my weaker townreads, that is my opinion anyway, you disagree with it, that's fine, but since it's on the weaker reads it's prone to falling off if he doesnt step it up soon.

Luna Fox · Post Post #491 (isolation #95) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:14 am

In post 490, Killthestory wrote:It should probably fall off now since there hasn't been a point where Rosske has even touched the stairs. This dude is literally fucking falling down the stairs and cannot take anymore steps up it because his legs are broken as fuck.

I literally lol'd
I like your style ^_^

Luna Fox · Post Post #497 (isolation #96) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:24 am

In post 496, Tenshii wrote:@ Luna, can you explain your reads? All of them? Also how do you keep track of your reads? Do you just keep track of them in your head? Do you write them down on a notepad? Or what?

Yeah i tend to keep track of them in my head.
I find that if i cant remember why i townread someone, then probably that read should be back to null already.
I think i've explained all of them throughout my ISO, but i cant remember right now which one's i've explained and which ones i haven't.
Gygabyte's posting in general prodding for content and the fact that they asked people to take a personality test to get in their shoes was pretty town, whether she's using that to read me or not idk yet tho.
I remember your reads in this whole situation resonating a lot with me.
I liked KC's aggresion, in general.

Anything else i havent explained yet? I remember thinking Karnos reasoning was pretty derp to be scum, same with Transcend, but Karnos reaching was scummy (scumreading someone coz they misspelled their name and arguing they arent reading their posts? really?).

Dunno what else i haven't explained yet.

Luna Fox · Post Post #498 (isolation #97) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:26 am

Speaking of KC it's gonna be almost 4 days since they last posted, they should've been prodded a while ago, same with PC, where the heck is the mod? should i ask a Listmod to prod them?

Luna Fox · Post Post #524 (isolation #98) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:54 am

In post 521, Rosske wrote:I also want to know why KTS is town-reading Transcend.

Yet you dont want to know why im townreading him? Or do you already know and dont have an issue with it (in which case why wouldnt KTS see the same thing).

Luna Fox · Post Post #536 (isolation #99) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:22 pm

Let's play the let's give Transcend more reasons to scumread me game.

Vote: Karnos

Luna Fox · Post Post #537 (isolation #100) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:24 pm

Oh wait right only vote tags work with this mod
VOTE: Karnos
That can be abused tbh, some ppl might fake vote in LyLo to bait a QH.

Luna Fox · Post Post #545 (isolation #101) » Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:07 am

In post 540, tojam2 wrote:@Luna Fox: A fake vote? I have a spreadsheet which records who is voting who, if someone votes for the same person twice, I won't tally it, and some people have voted for the person they were already voting for already.

A fake vote means that i could use bold tags to trick someone into thinking im voting for someone on LyLo, hence making scum react and quickhammer when the player wasn't actually being voted with the intention to tricking scum into revealing themselves.

Luna Fox · Post Post #547 (isolation #102) » Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:21 am

Im liking Rosske for town more now.

Luna Fox · Post Post #566 (isolation #103) » Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:24 am

Probably because this game has been a wallfest of arguing the same thing and i can't seem to stop it.
Not really saying that makes me town, but im not happy that i have a hard time getting reads this game.

Luna Fox · Post Post #567 (isolation #104) » Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:26 am

So mhsmith is kcdas.
I had a townread on that slot and he hasn't dissapointed. I think his assesment is valid considering that's how i feel about this game right now, even tho the conclusion leads to the wrong result.

Luna Fox · Post Post #569 (isolation #105) » Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:28 am

In post 568, mhsmith0 wrote:Why did your read of Thor v karnos go from tvt to voting karnos?

One of Karnos posts felt like reaching

Luna Fox · Post Post #570 (isolation #106) » Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:29 am

Luna Fox · Post Post #572 (isolation #107) » Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:31 am

And if you're wondering why i didnt vote him at the time, at the time i still had PC as possible scum, then giga linked a game and i read his ISO and checked his activity via timestamps in that game so i felt i could be wrong here, and then switched my vote to my suspect with the highest wagon.

Luna Fox · Post Post #576 (isolation #108) » Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:43 am

In post 575, mhsmith0 wrote:
In post 570, Luna Fox wrote:459
Ok so I agree it was a bad post, but why reaching in a necessarily scummy way as opposed to simply making a dumb argument as possible town in conf!bias or "screw you" mode? I don't really see how that particular moment was substantially AI compared to all of the other back and forth he'd been involved in.

Also, you bumped up rosske on your list right around then, despite thinking that karnos was looking worse (while rosske voted io on the same back and forth). What was driving your rosske read shift at that time?

Thing is that i dont like having less than Possible Scum+1 in non townreads, some rosske's posts have already given me some town vibes tho not enough to move them to townreads over the other 3.

Luna Fox · Post Post #577 (isolation #109) » Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:44 am

Oh and i actually forgot to answer the first part, derp.
Possibly? It looked to me like he was starting to make up reasons to scumread people to keep his story straight.

Luna Fox · Post Post #578 (isolation #110) » Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:45 am

It is true that town's usually more stupid than scum in terms of scumhunting, my first townread on him came from their first posts, as it went on, i just got tired of reading all the walls because the back and forth arguing over whether someone was lying or not felt not worth it to me, it felt like listening to a song on autoloop, i did stop reading the walls because i found it not worth after a while.

Luna Fox · Post Post #581 (isolation #111) » Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:51 am

In post 580, mhsmith0 wrote:Also, what posts in particular seemed towny from rosske?

I linked 2 posts that you can find on my ISO (i'll look for them later) that gave me some townvibes.
Also the latest string of posts from Rosske i liked, which made me feel better about my townread there.

Luna Fox · Post Post #582 (isolation #112) » Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:53 am

In post 579, mhsmith0 wrote:
In post 577, Luna Fox wrote:Oh and i actually forgot to answer the first part, derp.
Possibly? It looked to me like he was starting to make up reasons to scumread people to keep his story straight.
So can you talk this through a bit more? Why does wolf!karnos need to make up more reasons to push on io after having already made up a few others?
Is this just shoveling more crap forward and seeing if anything sticks?
Something else?

I also don't really understand the "keep his story straight" bit, what do you mean by this?

The bolded is a possibility.
Because his whole thing about "a lie" from an earlier post is failing and then he switched gears to another reason... that's also bad.

Luna Fox · Post Post #583 (isolation #113) » Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:54 am

here i was already asked about this before.

In post 471, Luna Fox wrote:270 and 399
Which are posts i had missed before somehow, but read them when Transcend tried to accuse him of contradicting himself (there is no contradiction btw), i just didnt think it made it town enough at the time to be with my townreads, plus i like always having at least Scum Ammount+1 on left overs. Now with Karnos reaching it's possible that Karnos is scum which killed my townread there, but i think PC's more likely to flip scum due to intentionally avoiding this thread after getting heat.

I'd prefer if at least you looked for it, since i've explained almost all my reads (or all of them) at this point, and then ask if anything's changed since then.

Luna Fox · Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:12 am

In post 590, Tenshii wrote:And there are others that avoid explaining their reads when asked. *cough* Luna *cough*

I havent avoided explaining them when asked.
They are literally everywhere in my ISO.

Luna Fox · Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:12 am

It just annoys me to have to repeat the same thing over and over again.

Luna Fox · Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:31 am

In post 594, Tenshii wrote:Eeeeh. So based off of your ISO, you townread Io when she was 2 posts in. And never commented on it since. Other than like restating the fact you had a townread on her whenever you posted a reads post. Based off of your ISO, I have to assume your townread is because of those 2 posts and nothing else.

Huh, i could've sworn i explained my Io townread somewhere and i noticed that it's hard to ctrl+F it on my ISO due to io also being in "Isolation".
It was based off her answers to the RQS.

Luna Fox · Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:33 am

In post 485, Luna Fox wrote:Io: Their vote on me and the way they answered the RQS, plus they seem to really believethey found scum, i kinda find their posts genuine, although not like SCREAMING town genuine, but towny.

Wait i did explain it >.<

Luna Fox · Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:41 am

In post 598, Tenshii wrote:@Luna What's your reason for wanting to have X+1 in your leftovers? X being amount of scum alive.

Mostly coz if i didnt i'd end up townreading everyone.
It's a pet peeve of mine and helps me get more accurate results.

Luna Fox · Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:17 am

In post 600, Tenshii wrote:
In post 190, Luna Fox wrote:In my case i only use 4 ranks "Super town" "Strong town" "Townreads" and "Leftovers" i usually lynch within the left overs, and "Super town" are people im 100% sure dont need reevaluation to the point of risking the game.
Do you have a "scum" rank that you use? Or are all scum just tossed into the leftovers. Will you ever use a "scum" rank?

Yeah all scum are tossed into left overs.
Rarely i do scumread people, but sometimes i do.
I just think that's it's easier for town to look town, than for scum, hence it's easier for me to find scum by finding town and employing PoE.

Luna Fox · Post Post #623 (isolation #120) » Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:00 pm

In post 622, Tenshii wrote:This is sooooo degenerate. Getting away with being bad town just because you've done it in the past is words I can't even explain. Assuming you're okay with his play, what actions would he have to do to convince you he's scum?

I retracted my vote due to reading that game, why arent you asking this question to me too?

Also now i have townread on Thor that isnt gut, hurray

Luna Fox · Post Post #625 (isolation #121) » Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:07 pm

In post 572, Luna Fox wrote:And if you're wondering why i didnt vote him at the time,
at the time i still had PC as possible scum, then giga linked a game and i read his ISO and checked his activity via timestamps in that game so i felt i could be wrong here
, and then switched my vote to my suspect with the highest wagon.

Luna Fox · Post Post #629 (isolation #122) » Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:20 pm

I lol'd

Luna Fox · Post Post #630 (isolation #123) » Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:21 pm

I never said i was ok with his play, but if he's playing as town like this before, it's entirely plausible he's doing so again, which is why i switched my vote, he's still in my leftovers tho.
(My current leftovers are: Rosske, PC, KTS).

Luna Fox · Post Post #631 (isolation #124) » Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:22 pm

And i specially dont like KTS posting lately, questions, no conclusions, a random townbloc which ask questions again, no conclusion.

It feels like he's doing stuff but going nowhere.

Luna Fox · Post Post #632 (isolation #125) » Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:23 pm

Also i meant Karnos not Rosske

Luna Fox · Post Post #635 (isolation #126) » Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:36 pm

Moving smith to strong town

Luna Fox · Post Post #695 (isolation #127) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:37 am

Don't think Transcend would be this stubborn as scum, his tonality does feel townish.
But if you guys still want to find info of possible scum Transcend go ahead.

In post 680, Transcend wrote:he's flipping town

and i bet i'm gonna be scumread for saying that he's flipping town when he flips town when everyone thought he was scum.

This post in particular feels really town.

Luna Fox · Post Post #696 (isolation #128) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 4:10 am

I just realized i forgot a question again.

In post 641, Tenshii wrote:@Luna If what Phantom did isn't enough to convince you, what would he have to do to convince you he's scum?

Don't know coz i dont townread/scumread people for things they haven't done yet.
Plus talking about this is anti-town because then he can avoid it.
As it stands right now he's still sitting in leftovers so he's not the hook soooo.

Luna Fox · Post Post #702 (isolation #129) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:01 am

In post 697, Killthestory wrote:
In post 681, mhsmith0 wrote:Btw, @kts: how often do you lol hammer as town?
I make it my duty to hammer any L-1 regardless of my alignment or the other persons alignment.

So it's NAI, so basically you're still in leftovers. Good to know.

Luna Fox · Mon Jul 25, 2016 11:32 am

FTR if Karnos flips scum im lynching KTS tomorrow.
If Karnos flips town i need to reevaluate stuff.

Luna Fox · Mon Jul 25, 2016 11:57 am

In post 713, Killthestory wrote:why would I quick hammer my scum buddy

Think before you post

You said it was NAI.
So it's NAI.

Luna Fox · Mon Jul 25, 2016 12:03 pm

In post 715, Killthestory wrote:well, yeah,but I'm not even sure I have the balls to quick hammer him like that. I'd probably just park my vote on him if he was my bud.

So it is AI after all?
No take backsies ^_^

Luna Fox · Mon Jul 25, 2016 12:06 pm

In post 717, Killthestory wrote:Everything is alignment indicative even if it isn't.

Ok in that case.
I stand by my previous assesment that if he flips scum you're scum.

Luna Fox · Mon Jul 25, 2016 12:07 pm

In post 719, Killthestory wrote:I'm going to tunnel you tomorrow if he flips scum because your logic is terrible.

Come at me!

Luna Fox · Mon Jul 25, 2016 12:08 pm

After all, you didnt even ask why i was thinking you were their scumbuddy, you just took a jump to assuming my logic was terrible

Luna Fox · Mon Jul 25, 2016 12:12 pm

In post 722, Killthestory wrote:There is no logic there that can sensibly say I'm scum with Karnos reasonably.

Oher than you chainsawing them, having a terrible reaction to KCda's pressure and fluff posting?

Luna Fox · Mon Jul 25, 2016 12:15 pm

In post 724, Killthestory wrote:My reaction wasn't terrible at all.
Fluff posting is NAI until you look at the meta.
I never chain sawed him.

Totally you didnt attack Thor who was attacking Karnos, yeah, totally. I am probably reading a different game i guess.

This kind of reaction makes me fairly confident you know Karnos is gonna flip scum.

Luna Fox · Mon Jul 25, 2016 12:17 pm

And now you're gonna argue that you didnt attack KCdas obvnoxiousness instead of his argument?

Luna Fox · Mon Jul 25, 2016 12:19 pm

I agreed he was obnoxious, I also agreed he was town, but you never attacked his argument.

Luna Fox · Mon Jul 25, 2016 12:21 pm

In post 730, Killthestory wrote:You attacking me is opportunistic as fuck,

I would argue this is only true if Karnos flips scum.
Apparently you already know this is gonna be the case.

Luna Fox · Mon Jul 25, 2016 12:23 pm

But oh apparently:

In post 726, Killthestory wrote:I hope someone eats your liver when Karnos flips town.

You also want me dead if he flips town.
But if he flips town this whole argument is moot, as it's based off entirely him flipping scum.
How is my attack opportunistic again?

Luna Fox · Mon Jul 25, 2016 12:24 pm

Unless you want me to believe that you vote park Thor all game, make no statements and decide to coast off fluff posting and when Karnos is at L-1 you decide to lynch the player your scumread is pushing. And not take it as a bus hammer.

Luna Fox · Mon Jul 25, 2016 12:39 pm

In post 735, mhsmith0 wrote:*brings up possible scum theater*
*thread dies*

Umm.........

There's nothing else to comment on, I already made my points.

Luna Fox · Mon Jul 25, 2016 12:42 pm

Btw on an off-topic related note, i like your avatar.

Luna Fox · Mon Jul 25, 2016 12:44 pm

In post 739, mhsmith0 wrote:Thx. U know what it's from?

Yes i played through that game.

Luna Fox · Mon Jul 25, 2016 12:46 pm

In post 741, mhsmith0 wrote: great game and series

Indeed, I love it.
Tho we should probably continue such discussion by PM to not clog up the thread ^_^;; just wanted to comment on your avatar.

Luna Fox · Post Post #747 (isolation #147) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 1:10 pm

In post 745, Thor665 wrote:Hell - it took forever to wrangle that wagon through, where was my help from all the ultra confident peeps?

I only became confident after KTS reaction.

Luna Fox · Post Post #752 (isolation #148) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 1:23 pm

Nope not night, Nightless means that he flips and we're in D2 right after instead of N1.

Luna Fox · Post Post #756 (isolation #149) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 1:33 pm

In post 753, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:tojam is like never on this is going to kill me

Luna Fox · Post Post #766 (isolation #150) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:31 pm

In post 765, Io wrote:Well I'm back.
Honestly Kill hammering really isn't a summy thing to do on its own.

The hammer in an on itself is NAI.
The rest of their posts though with the conclusion on the hammer on the other hand...

Luna Fox · Post Post #768 (isolation #151) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:40 pm

In post 733, Luna Fox wrote:Unless you want me to believe that you vote park Thor all game, make no statements and decide to coast off fluff posting and when Karnos is at L-1 you decide to lynch the player your scumread is pushing. And not take it as a bus hammer.

^

Luna Fox · Post Post #769 (isolation #152) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:40 pm

Tho as i said, this mostly makes sense if Karnos is scum.

Luna Fox · Post Post #771 (isolation #153) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:30 pm

In post 770, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:Luna, you read the game I shared here, right? Meaning you also saw a scum!Thor? I have a bad feeling if this flips green but I think I'm tinfoiling here.

I ISO'd PC, i didnt read the game, and i was mostly looking for what he was saying and looking at timestamps for activity.

Luna Fox · Post Post #773 (isolation #154) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:35 pm

I don't think he's flipping green after KTS got super aggresive when i said that if he flipped red KTS would be my next suspect.

Luna Fox · Post Post #775 (isolation #155) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:36 pm

In post 774, Killthestory wrote:terrible logic.

What is terrible about it?

Luna Fox · Post Post #777 (isolation #156) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:39 pm

In post 776, Killthestory wrote:everything

TIL: That KTS likes to discredit logic by saying the words "terrible" and "everything"

Luna Fox · Post Post #779 (isolation #157) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:40 pm

In post 778, Killthestory wrote:I don't even know what TIL means but it sounds terrible.

TIL means "Today I Learned"

Luna Fox · Post Post #783 (isolation #158) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:48 pm

You're being very different than that open "Making friends and enemies".
In that game you got mad at me even for mentioning gut ^_^;; but you didnt go around saying everything was terrible.

Luna Fox · Post Post #785 (isolation #159) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:50 pm

Speaking of, KTS hammered 6 minutes after the VC, I wonder how the mod didnt notice it.

Luna Fox · Post Post #789 (isolation #160) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:54 pm

yeah the one i replaced out of because firebringer made an inference to an ongoing game that i had with him.

Luna Fox · Post Post #793 (isolation #161) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:04 pm

Never underestimate the power of Luna's gut.

Luna Fox · Post Post #810 (isolation #162) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 3:59 am

Vote: KTS

Luna Fox · Post Post #811 (isolation #163) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:01 am

I really love it when im right, if KTS also flips scum as i believe he'll do im going to be very happy.

Luna Fox · Post Post #813 (isolation #164) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:05 am

In post 812, Transcend wrote:
In post 811, Luna Fox wrote:I really love it when im right, if KTS also flips scum as i believe he'll do im going to be very happy.

except you tried to rope pc all day but whatever right?

VOTE: Luna Fox

Because i thought he was scum, if you're following my posts my read on Karnos changed a while ago and my vote only changed when i became less certain of PC being scum, my moves have been consistent with my actions.

Luna Fox · Post Post #814 (isolation #165) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:06 am

Now what you need to do is stop voting town, and vote scum.

Luna Fox · Post Post #816 (isolation #166) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:08 am

In post 815, Transcend wrote:okay so what does karnos' flip have to do with your left field fos on kts

I explained that during twilight.
Hold on lemme find the posts.

Luna Fox · Post Post #817 (isolation #167) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:11 am

Start from 712
Also KTS's new avy confused the heck out of me.
If you dont want to read everything then my reasoning is on posts: 723, 727, 731, 732, with the conclusion on 733

Luna Fox · Post Post #819 (isolation #168) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:19 am

In post 807, mhsmith0 wrote:

Last one probably just Luna or kts with the strategic hop onto the wagon (wolves usually can't resist bussing).

VOTE: killthestory

I'd argue that your hop was also strategic but i dont think you're scum, if it really comes down to us 3 this is autowin regardless so it doesnt matter to me.

Luna Fox · Post Post #820 (isolation #169) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:20 am

In post 818, Transcend wrote:
In post 712, Luna Fox wrote:FTR if Karnos flips scum im lynching KTS tomorrow.
If Karnos flips town i need to reevaluate stuff.
this reads to me like

"well karnos is flipping scum so let me get this easy mislynch on this guy".

you haven't said **** about your fos on kts except for "he lolhammered" which to me is not alignment indicative

and i REFUSE to believe that you think it is.

so my vote stays.

The hammer by itself is NAI, the sequence of events in KTS play make it AI.

Luna Fox · Post Post #822 (isolation #170) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:22 am

That being said im very confident in Thor and Io being Town right now, that's 4 strong townreads and with at the very least 1 more nightless anyway i dont really care if i die along the line, scum cant win this.

Luna Fox · Post Post #823 (isolation #171) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:23 am

In post 821, Transcend wrote:never mind. you did add more to your case besides he just "lolhammer'd"

still looks a bit weird that you were absolutely confident that karnos was gonna flip scum and began setting up on KTS.

I wasnt, hence my first post.
KTS was the one who overreacted over it as if they already knew Karnos was gonna flip scum and started engaging me on it.

Luna Fox · Post Post #824 (isolation #172) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:24 am

Let's put it this way.
Look at KTS's ISO.
Do you have any reason to believe their hammer isnt a bus hammer?.
Disregard any sort of read on me while you're doing it so it doesnt get muddled by you thinking im aiming for a mislynch.

Luna Fox · Post Post #826 (isolation #173) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:27 am

In post 825, Transcend wrote:unless i'm doing math wrong thor + io + yourself makes 3 strong townreads

I already had 2 strong townreads on Tenshii and giga, tho if i add myself that's 5 yes, but in that case im not going to be mislynched at any point.
Do the exercise i told you about and tell me what your conclusion is.

Luna Fox · Post Post #828 (isolation #174) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:32 am

In post 827, Transcend wrote:i agree that giga and tenshii are town

i did the exercise and while his lolhammer was inconsistent

1. he said that he was gonna lolhammer at some point

2. his attitude (a little bit more than mine not quite) reeked of idgaf

so i think after rereading him, it's inconclusive.

Do you think his play is townie?

Luna Fox · Post Post #829 (isolation #175) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:32 am

Like all he's done to counter my points is saying that my logic is terrible, not explaining why it is nor even bothering to counter my logic with his own.

Luna Fox · Post Post #831 (isolation #176) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:33 am

Well except when he said he wouldnt lolhammer a buddy, which is kinda inconcistent with what he was claiming about his hammer being NAI.

Luna Fox · Post Post #832 (isolation #177) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:34 am

In post 830, Transcend wrote:no his play is not townie

You're gonna have to figure it out at some point anyway. We literally can't both be scum. So i'm not really worried about your scumread on me, i'm not the one on the losing end here.

Luna Fox · Post Post #834 (isolation #178) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:49 am

In post 833, Transcend wrote:still wanna rope you

but i have a feeling you're gonna be indestructible for 4-5 days

Well game's gonna be over before then anyway ^_^

Luna Fox · Post Post #838 (isolation #179) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:49 am

In post 837, Transcend wrote:why is it that i towrnead a grand total of one (1) slot that voted karnos and my better townreads are outside of him.

{Tenshii}
{Giga}
{PC}
{Io, Thor}
{KTS}
{MhSmith, Rosske}
{Luna}

Because you were strongly townreading Karnos?

Luna Fox · Post Post #840 (isolation #180) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:55 am

In post 839, Transcend wrote:me townreading karnos is irrelevant.

Of course it's relevant, you had a backwards read, you should be re-evaluating.
I had a correct read, hence im not.

Luna Fox · Post Post #842 (isolation #181) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:56 am

In post 841, Io wrote:reads are not irrelevant. But they are not 100% AI. Don't just go off of them Luna and Trans just know that they are still a tool that can be used.

No, i still think Transcend's town.
Wrong town, but town.

Luna Fox · Post Post #843 (isolation #182) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:58 am

So Io, have you read my points wrt to KTS yet?

Luna Fox · Post Post #846 (isolation #183) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:55 am

should be L-2, with 10 players alive it should be 6 to lynch (just like yesterday)

Luna Fox · Post Post #859 (isolation #184) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:26 am

and now Transcend has gone from WKing scum to sheeping scum.

Luna Fox · Post Post #861 (isolation #185) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:27 am

Or being sheeped by scum... well either way doesnt really matter as i had already intended to go into 1v1 with KTS as a result of Karnos flipping scum.

Luna Fox · Post Post #863 (isolation #186) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:29 am

In post 862, Rosske wrote:Luna would have been first on the wagon for her own partner?

I actually was the 3rd to last.
the mod's vote counts are screwed up.

Luna Fox · Post Post #866 (isolation #187) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:31 am

In post 864, mhsmith0 wrote:
In post 862, Rosske wrote:It certainly looks like sheeping seeing as you empty voted right after him. you really think Luna would have been first on the wagon for her own partner? You've already proven your reads are way off

Derp clear for rosske accepted. I don't think I'm ever voting him this game.

I am really tempted to agree with this... so i will

Luna Fox · Post Post #867 (isolation #188) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:31 am

You'd think scum Rosske would be paying attention to the votes on his partner.

Luna Fox · Post Post #871 (isolation #189) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:33 am

In post 868, mhsmith0 wrote:Oh wait never mind I'm an idiot. Rosske meant luna being first to vote karnos, not theoretical scum buddy kts. Never mind.

What was going on your mind then, do you disagree with my 867?

Luna Fox · Post Post #872 (isolation #190) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:33 am

Well you just answered so ignore my last post XD

Luna Fox · Post Post #925 (isolation #191) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:34 am

In post 895, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:You raise a good point. I want KTS and Luna to 1v1 r/n

We've been 1v1ing since twilight. And i already said i dont have a problem 1v1ing KTS.

Luna Fox · Post Post #926 (isolation #192) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:38 am

Considering you both are scumreading Rosske (which by default means im town) What are your thoughts on this:

In post 867, Luna Fox wrote:You'd think scum Rosske would be paying attention to the votes on his partner.

Luna Fox · Post Post #927 (isolation #193) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:39 am

In post 897, Killthestory wrote:why would i 1v1 them when i can just convince everyone else im town.

1v1ing them will just shit up the thread

So, you think im town?
Otherwise i dont see how you think a 1v1 between us is a bad thing.

Luna Fox · Post Post #930 (isolation #194) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:41 am

Like the only reason we shouldnt 1v1 is if we are both believed to be town, i believe you're scum, you believe im scum, and we literally cant be scum together.

Luna Fox · Post Post #933 (isolation #195) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:58 am

In post 932, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:i'm starting to think i should just do the opposite of what transcend does

That does sound like a good idea.

Luna Fox · Post Post #950 (isolation #196) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:45 pm

You were already voting me

Luna Fox · Post Post #954 (isolation #197) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:52 pm

Idk, i may be overthinking it, but do you guys really think that Scum!Transcend keeps getting mad that his "second strongest townread" got lynched in twilight?

Luna Fox · Post Post #956 (isolation #198) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:57 pm

I do really want a perfect town win tho ^_^

My current leftovers pool is KTS/PC, and considering what i read of PC im going after KTS.

Luna Fox · Post Post #969 (isolation #199) » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:46 am

wow i once again forgot you need vote tags in here
VOTE: KTS
Im too used to bold.